Apple doesn't do dongles. How would you plug it in? Does the wire drape over the back so the camera can sit on top? Does it use Bluetooth to connect?
It'll be integrated, if/when it comes. Or not at all.
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What are the odds they'll update the iPad in September?
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Apple doesn't do dongles. How would you plug it in? Does the wire drape over the back so the camera can sit on top? Does it use Bluetooth to connect?
It'll be integrated, if/when it comes. Or not at all.
If apple releases a new iPad2 in that time period I will a.)not buy it and b.)probably stay away from apple products in the future.
A lot of people purchased iPads who were not apple people before and I don't think they would release another product so quickly as to drive away those new customers. A 1 year timeline for a product is fine with me but 6 months is just ridiculous.
I was just thinking about the camera connection kit but yea there would be no real way to sit it without a dock or something.
I think a bluetooth webcam would be fine though. It makes business sense as well. People who just paid $500+ for an ipad are not going to be so quick to pay for another ipad with an integrated camera but probably would be willing to drop $100 on a bluetooth webcam to hold them over for 6 months to a year at which time they would be willing to drop another $500+ for iPad2.
Yeah, but as the name suggests, "Retina" is just about wether the pixels are visable to the human retina. So a retina display on iPad wouldn't have to be 326 PPI, since it's a larger device you hold further away. In normal use, I think about 200+250 PPI would suffice. It would be an awesome improvement from the 130 PPI (or is it?) display it has now.
Someone care to figure out how many pixels that would be? Like 2500 x 1800 or something? 😀
Night Spring
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iOS4 is also available for iPhone 3G and 3GS, and iPod touch 2nd and 3rd gens. None of them get FaceTime. Makes sense to me that iPad doesn't get it, either.
So why the big delay releasing it for the iPad? It's essentially the same hardware as the iPhone 4. I just don't think people can discredit that there isn't a possibility Apple will want to coincide the two releases.
Remember when the first iPhone came out, they discontinued the 4GB model after 3 months. They refreshed it after 7 months. Before adding the 3G 4 months after that.
I don't care if people say it came out in April. The hardware as it stands was demoed in January. FaceTime was the signature one more thing feature in iOS4. And it's not due out till November. Why the big wait?
2 reasons for the "big wait":
The iPhone needs its space. If they release a good number of its features to the iPad simultaneously it will deter a number of potential iPhone buyers.
I do believe that they will implement iOS4 in a different way for the iPad but it won't involve new hardware this year. Zero possibility.
Consultant
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ditzy
macrumors 68000
So far the iPad has never run exactly the same version of the OS as the iPhone and iPod touch. My guess is that they can't run exactly the same OS.
Remember that they demoed the first gen iPhone in January as well, it wasn't released untill June, they then dropped the 4GB iPhone and left the 8GB on for $200 less, in February 2008 they added the 16 GB. The 3G came on July 2008 so the only thing that is possible is that the iPad gets more storage but not until spring 2011 will the iPad 2 come out. Besides the iPod Touch 3G has all the features of iOS4 and it doesn't mean that they had to release one on June (they will in September, meaning 3 months after)
It was shown in multiple teardowns that the iPad has the provision for a front facing camera inside. Thus I would not be surprised at all if there was a "refresh" with the camera being an only addition in "the fall" when iOS 4 is released for the iPad.
shellbryson
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I wouldn't expect anything within a year - Apple typically follow tech company cycles of 12-18 months between major releases of hardware or software.
Wow, where to begin???
First of all, nobody has ever said that Facetime was "the main feature" of iOS4. Nobody at Apple, nobody in the blogosphere, really, just you at this point. One could argue that multitasking was the "main" feature, but even then, you'd be forgetting the other six of the seven "tent poles " of iOS4.
Next, what exactly does Facetime really do for Apple? They don't make any money off of it, it works over WiFi only, and in it's current incarnation it only works with iPhone 4, needing a telephone number to be initiated as it's ID, so to speak. Unless the new iPod Touch is getting 3G (not likely) then it's out of the picture along with the millions of 3GS phones out there without a front facing camera or the internals to support the feature. How many of those 1.7 million people who bought an iP4 did it for Facetime, anyway? I certainly didn't, and I would guess that I'm not alone.
Finally, like so many others have said here, why on earth would a company who can't make enough of the current model to meet demand slit their own throat and jump the gun with a six month refresh window on the hottest selling product they ever came up with? It would be one of the most idiotic business decisions they could make, and as a stockholder, I would be demanding the head on a plate of the fool who thought that was the way to make money long or short term. Have you ever heard the phrase, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"? You need to think more like a businessman and less like a user on this one, no offense...
The iPad is a runaway freight train of sales right now, with long wait times at all retail outlets and from apple.com with premium prices still being commanded on eBay, etc. There is a small percentage of hardcore Internet geeks who demand more out of it, but 3,000,000 and counting are loving every second of their first gen iPad.
Holding up the iPhone's original launch issues does not apply. It was priced wrong out of the gate, sales were not nearly as brisk, and Apple made adjustments sooner than later to correct their course. Not gonna happen this time around, so look for iPad 2 in the spring of next year.
aaquib
macrumors 65816
Apple sold 1.7M iPhone's in the first weekend. The iPhone 4 along with the iPod touch will certainly push them past their goal.
And the iPhone was launched June 2007. It was announced January 2007. But Apple updates it once a year from June, not January.
The iPad is four months old and I don't see Apple updating the device till next Summer.
Easy there gatearray. Firstly I said possibility (and no I'm not backtracking). With regards to whole telephone number initiation, I also already said until Apple figures that out we might not see FaceTime at all on the iPad.
I also said regardless of the stock situation, that is the iPad in July, come November with Christmas round the corner, well that's a completely different scenario. Apple loves a holiday season. You seem to be confused with me thinking they should release a new iPad now. I said November. Five months away. Imagine opening your FaceTime iPad on Christmas Day and having a video conversation with your parents or grandparents on their iPad's half way around the world. On Christmas. Not such a strange thought after all?
And to answer your questions about FaceTime. I've been buying Apple products for almost 10 years, I've been on this forum for near enough 6 years. When Steve says, "One more thing.." in his presentations. That is his trump card. That is his favourite feature. In fact he practically begged the entire audience to turn off their Wifi's so he could show it.
They even shot a tv commercial dedicated to it. Why else do I think Apple regards it as the #1 feature? Because it's the feature they want you to see first.
And finally when John Gruber, practically the Apple community spokesperson says and I quote,
Well I guess it's not just me.
It just got released in England 4 weeks ago, no way it will get updated 8 weeks from now. There are countries that doesn't have it yet!
It's been out in England since last week of May. That was six weeks ago. And november isn't 8 weeks away. Closer to 16-20 weeks.
And why am I touting November? Because it's already been leaked that iAd's isn't coming to iPad till November aka iOS4 release.
Anyway this is just my hunch, no need to get worked up.
They love the holiday season so much that they have traditionally waited until January MacWorld to introduce new product.
Hey, we would all like every feature to be on every product the minute it's introduced, the problem is that Apple introduces new products to create new markets, not draw buyers from existing ones. They ideally want every consumer to own an iPhone, iPad, MacBook and desktop computer. They don't want people saying "this gadget does essentially all the stuff my other gadget does, so why buy both?" They run a business - and for the last decade+, they've run it very well.
If FaceTime proves to be the game-changer Apple hopes it to be, there's little doubt it will appear on the iPad, but only when the iPhone is ready to add some other new feature set.
In any case, I am a firm believer in "never say never", but the likelihood that Apple will make any kind of hardware modification to the iPad before 2011 is zero.
Sorry, VespR, I didn't mean any offense, it's just that I have read lots of threads on when iPad 2 will be released, and it seems rather elementary to me, but that's just me and I didn't mean to come off harsh.
But to your additional points, Steve's "one more thing" was about iPhone 4 not iOS 4. Facetime might be a main feature of iPhone 4 but that isn't to say it's the main feature of iOS 4, can we agree? They are pretty far from one in the same, and even though iOS4 shipped with the new phone, it was released for 3G/GS and later gen iPods a few days earlier on the 21st, so it is on way more devices at this point than there are iP4s in existence.
And those folks that want to have a Facetime chat with the grandparents Christmas morning would love a shiny new iPhone, wouldn't they? And Steve and the Gang would love to sell another iP4 to granny so she can talk to the grandkids, right? It's only iPhone to iPhone at this point, so if I want to video chat on my phone with a loved one around the world, we both need the device, so make it a double! That'll pad Apple's bank account a fair bit, now won't it?
And regarding the release date, whether it's now, 2 months from now, 3 months from now, what's the difference? I still feel that it's entirely way to soon from a business standpoint. And regarding the holiday season, half of Apple's refreshes happen outside of the holiday shopping window from my memory, and with business booming, they hardly need an excuse to sell more magical products. Just my two cents, and again, I mean no offense.
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But to your additional points, Steve's "one more thing" was about iPhone 4 not iOS 4. Facetime might be a main feature of iPhone 4 but that isn't to say it's the main feature of iOS 4, can we agree? They are pretty far from one in the same, and even though iOS4 shipped with the new phone, it was released for 3G/GS and later gen iPods a few days earlier on the 21st, so it is on way more devices at this point than there are iP4s in existence.
And those folks that want to have a Facetime chat with the grandparents Christmas morning would love a shiny new iPhone, wouldn't they? And Steve and the Gang would love to sell another iP4 to granny so she can talk to the grandkids, right? It's only iPhone to iPhone at this point, so if I want to video chat on my phone with a loved one around the world, we both need the device, so make it a double! That'll pad Apple's bank account a fair bit, now won't it?
And regarding the release date, whether it's now, 2 months from now, 3 months from now, what's the difference? I still feel that it's entirely way to soon from a business standpoint. And regarding the holiday season, half of Apple's refreshes happen outside of the holiday shopping window from my memory, and with business booming, they hardly need an excuse to sell more magical products. Just my two cents, and again, I mean no offense.
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Ahh but it was not a case of waiting till January, it was beholden to Macworld's schedule. Back then Apple needed it's fans when they released products. They didn't have Engadget's or Gizmodo's frantically typing up every product release minute by minute, or buzzing retail stores all over the world ready to showcase new products the moment they're unveiled. They weren't that big.
But they are now, huge in fact, hence they left Macworld in 2009. Because their retail stores were drawing numbers larger than Macworld. They also didn't want to be held to Macworld's schedule to release products, they wanted to do it on their own turf.
Uh -- back then is 2010. The introduction of the iPad. Let's not forget that you were arguing how Apple loves the holidays. They have never demonstrated that love by making product introductions outside their normal cycles, MacWorld or no MacWorld. Apple has been "huge" for years and could freely introduce new product whenever they pleased.
Feel free to keep up your "paradigm shift" agenda but rest assured that it's not going to lead to a new iPad this fall.