What are the reasons for owning a MBP

[wegster]

Well maybe thats the problem right there. The dock functions exactly like the taskbar in windows except it doesn't show you the windows of a certain app when you hover over it and middle clicking on the icon or windows (it doesn't show any windows so you can't click anyway) does nothing. Neither does middle clicking anything in MC. This is one of those things that makes OS X less productive than windows cause you need to take more steps do certain things and I have encountered this in basically every operation except spotlight.

And I asked about these things before I bought the mbp. I asked mac users how they would quickly open or close tabs in a browser and I was surprised by the responses I got. People told me to just aim for the X to close a tab, right click a link and then select "open in new tab" or select the tab and then press CMD+W. Well this is NOT the fastest way to open/close tabs!!! The fastest way is to configure BTT to allow middle mouse button and then hover over links tabs and use the middle mouse gesture. You need to go to voice or thoughts controls to be faster than that. Neither of those technologies exists.

It's like mac users just don't know about better and faster methods to do certain things. They are perfectly happy using their old proven methods because it just works and then they recommend those methods to me because it works for them.

You're making some broad sweeping generalizations that you might want to think about. Fastest? cmd-t for a new tab. close? cmd-t replace terminal with iterm or iterm2.
Likewise, there are hotkeys for most things, browsers and other apps included, and many are configurable.
You're trying to lump together every Mac/OSX user, and that's a bad mistake. You'll wind up with people who just "want their computer to work" and like OSX, but use nothing but an Apple trackpad, people who live and breathe Aperature, CS5, CAD, musicians, engineers, developers, and everywhere in between.

I checked both of these before I purchased it. I was satisfied with the screen at that time but now I am not. My opinion changed. My thinkpad has a higher pixel density, a better range of colors and the technology of the screen is superior. You wouldn't know it until you do a side by side comparison. The screen is probably the reason I want to upgrade to any mac that just has a better display. As far as OSes goes. I was neutral about it both windows and os x before the purchase and I am pretty neutral now. Its difficult to tell which one I favor right now. Ideally I'd liked to use W7 with the improved airplay of OS X.

Ok, then return it.

The sole reason I went for the MBP was its aluminum unibody. That was the absolute decisive factor.

And there is likely the big problem - you buy a computer caring what other people think, or thinking it will impress someone. Wait 10 years; you'll get over it. ;D Of course, if the only reason you bought the MBP is for the chassis, well, you've got it, so there should be no problems, right? run Win7 on it if you'd like and be done with it. Eventually people grow out of the virtual appendage and benchmarks comparison, and care about whether or not the computer (or OS, or software) does what they want or need it to do.

As a long-time software engineer and sysadmin, and before that gamer, it used to be "fun" to get the latest and greatest, overclock, etc. - but it's short lived, unless you really like throwing cash away and increasing frustration levels, or it's simply as a very $$ hobby. I've run (as a desktop/laptop), replaced servers with, and written code for Linux since before most knew what it was (~1993 or so). For my work as well as hobby, Windows offers little besides games, except when I need to test my software on it, but I'd much prefer a Linux workstation, or an OSX one, over running Windows for virtually any kind of software development, scripting, etc. OSX isn't perfect; in some respects, to me, they took a perfectly good Unix and broke parts of it, but in general most things "just work" that I expect to with a minimum of hassle, and I have the majority of *nix tools available easily via Macports, plus can always dual boot into Linux, or fire up a VM for Windows. I do wish someone with some sanity and UI experience would re-work the Skype OSx client, though!

So why a mbp? With Leopard onwards, the core OS has few enough parts that suck vs Linux, most things just work, including tools I need for work, a sane coding, scripting, dev, and troubleshooting platform that Windows just can't provide well, so that it's become my "most days" core OS. I'm not fond of the "Apple premium," but in general they're reasonably well made machines, and at least at the time new models are announced, they're not too far off price-wise from similar systems. I don't particularly like their habit of forcing "upgrades" such as going with a 15" Pro over the former MB 13" and now 13" MBP to get a discrete graphics processor, and loathe the loss of the expresscard slot on anything but the 17" MBP, but overall, they're not bad, if you can stomach the "premium" you're paying to run OSX. I've had plenty of Vaios, Dells, and other laptops crap out within 6-24 months, which tends to totally derail whatever I'm working on for some time until it's fixed, while I've thankfully yet to have a MB or MBP die on me. I'm not crazy over the temps on the 2011 i7 MBPs, but - we'll see. Buy whatever it is that makes you happy, lets you do what you want or have to, and then don't look back - there will always be something newer and shinier around the corner, and you'll just drive yourself nuts.

To finish up the "why," I'm in and out of the office, travel, work from home, so I generally use my laptops as a portable desktop replacement. Multiple VMs, eclipse and various dev tools, lots of other things open at once, and an occasional game here and there. I can't afford for my primary system to be down, nor to be "arguing" through a painful upgrade - I keep my systems at least 3 years, and they'll see max CPU usage quite often. So far, I've lost a superdrive (everyone has, right?) and USB went flaky on a MB, while a dual G4 tower kept plugging along, as well as a pair of MBPs without issue. My "next best" option would probably be a Thinkpad, assuming I convinced myself that Lenovo continued the relatively good IBM build quality, and either hackintosh or running Linux. It might not be "shiny and the newest specs," and even if it is, it's not 6 months later, but again, it's about actually getting things done, unless you really have no work or anything of importance to do, at which point I'll assume you have a trust fund or parents who spoil you, then do whatever you'd like.

 

[surjavarman]

Then please stop posting whining threads.

Apparently you got screwed in the panel department--mine has a 74% color gamut.

Perhaps it would be more productive for you to do your research BEFORE you purchase something next time, eh?

And if you have an issue with Anandtech, write to them.

So whats the product number of that panel. I'd like to google the spec sheets so I can confirm that its a 74% color gamut panel.

 

[surjavarman]

And there is likely the big problem - you buy a computer caring what other people think, or thinking it will impress someone. Wait 10 years; you'll get over it. ;D Of course, if the only reason you bought the MBP is for the chassis, well, you've got it, so there should be no problems, right? run Win7 on it if you'd like and be done with it. Eventually people grow out of the virtual appendage and benchmarks comparison, and care about whether or not the computer (or OS, or software) does what they want or need it to do.

As a long-time software engineer and sysadmin, and before that gamer, it used to be "fun" to get the latest and greatest, overclock, etc. - but it's short lived, unless you really like throwing cash away and increasing frustration levels, or it's simply as a very $$ hobby. I've run (as a desktop/laptop), replaced servers with, and written code for Linux since before most knew what it was (~1993 or so). For my work as well as hobby, Windows offers little besides games, except when I need to test my software on it, but I'd much prefer a Linux workstation, or an OSX one, over running Windows for virtually any kind of software development, scripting, etc. OSX isn't perfect; in some respects, to me, they took a perfectly good Unix and broke parts of it, but in general most things "just work" that I expect to with a minimum of hassle, and I have the majority of *nix tools available easily via Macports, plus can always dual boot into Linux, or fire up a VM for Windows. I do wish someone with some sanity and UI experience would re-work the Skype OSx client, though!

So why a mbp? With Leopard onwards, the core OS has few enough parts that suck vs Linux, most things just work, including tools I need for work, a sane coding, scripting, dev, and troubleshooting platform that Windows just can't provide well, so that it's become my "most days" core OS. I'm not fond of the "Apple premium," but in general they're reasonably well made machines, and at least at the time new models are announced, they're not too far off price-wise from similar systems. I don't particularly like their habit of forcing "upgrades" such as going with a 15" Pro over the former MB 13" and now 13" MBP to get a discrete graphics processor, and loathe the loss of the expresscard slot on anything but the 17" MBP, but overall, they're not bad, if you can stomach the "premium" you're paying to run OSX. I've had plenty of Vaios, Dells, and other laptops crap out within 6-24 months, which tends to totally derail whatever I'm working on for some time until it's fixed, while I've thankfully yet to have a MB or MBP die on me. I'm not crazy over the temps on the 2011 i7 MBPs, but - we'll see. Buy whatever it is that makes you happy, lets you do what you want or have to, and then don't look back - there will always be something newer and shinier around the corner, and you'll just drive yourself nuts.

To finish up the "why," I'm in and out of the office, travel, work from home, so I generally use my laptops as a portable desktop replacement. Multiple VMs, eclipse and various dev tools, lots of other things open at once, and an occasional game here and there. I can't afford for my primary system to be down, nor to be "arguing" through a painful upgrade - I keep my systems at least 3 years, and they'll see max CPU usage quite often. So far, I've lost a superdrive (everyone has, right?) and USB went flaky on a MB, while a dual G4 tower kept plugging along, as well as a pair of MBPs without issue. My "next best" option would probably be a Thinkpad, assuming I convinced myself that Lenovo continued the relatively good IBM build quality, and either hackintosh or running Linux. It might not be "shiny and the newest specs," and even if it is, it's not 6 months later, but again, it's about actually getting things done, unless you really have no work or anything of importance to do, at which point I'll assume you have a trust fund or parents who spoil you, then do whatever you'd like.

No you are wrong. I went for aluminum cause I love the looks and especially feel of cold metal touching skin. Other laptops are made out of plastics and that takes away some of the enjoyment for me. I am following my own philosophy and it says that I should reduce the use of plastics as much as possible. Plastics are ugly and environmental unfriendly (unless they are biodegradable) to boot. I want to own things that are made from wood, stone, metal, organic materials instead. Thats part of my philosophy. It has nothing to do with impressing my buddies.

Thats why I had to rule out the thinkpad. Btw in your case I can vouch for the thinkpad. They are truly indestructible laptops.

 

[Dark Void]

I went for aluminum cause I love the feel of cold metal touching skin. Other laptops are made out of plastics and that takes away some of the enjoyment for me

lol

 

[derickdub]

lol

I fully understand where he's coming from on this. I think natural/organic materials simply look and feel better than synthetic materials such as plastic.

As for Command+Tab not working for you, why would you need to see the windows? If you plan on quitting the application I couldn't see the need to, unless there were multiple windows of the same app open, but in that case you would want to just 'X' out anyways. I just hold the command key down while pressing tab until the application I am trying to quit is selected and hit Q. It can all be completed in one step as long as you don't depress the command key.

I also use my right hand on the trackpad and always have my left hand on the Shift, A, W, D, and Command keys (from pinky to thumb, a bad habit I picked up from playing video games since I was 10).

Personally I don't know many people who prefer the trackpad/mouse over keyboard short cuts, but to each his own I guess.

I do however hate how middle mouse doesn't close tabs in Safari. Having to find that damned little X is such a pain in the arse. Does anyone know a way to key bind that? I never really looked.

 

[Epic Xbox Revie]

command W closes single tabs

 

[derickdub]

command W closes single tabs

I've been trying to get in the habit of using that, but I used middle mouse with firefox for years so it's kind of hard to get used to. Command+W is much better though.

 

[n8236]

I have one sentence for you, my fellow MacRumorser: Because I want to play games in eff'ing style!

 

[rockyroad55]

It's like mac users don't know different ways and just stick to the old ways?

Screw you OP. Don't make generalizations about a group of people based on a handful of people you asked.

 

[duncanbrodie1]

I wanted to know what some of the reasons for you are for owning a MBP.

I have a 2011 MBP13 and I suffer from major buyers remorse. I recently had to use my old thinkpad for matlab and it caught me by surprise just how easy it was for me to do everything. I came to realize that I just don't like the touchpad and the keyboard of the MBP. And the gestures doesn't make up for superior tactile feedback of the thinkpad. Even with bettertouchtool. I miss how I can just see all my programs that are open in windows and I can just hover my cursor over them and close them instantly with my middle mouse button. What do I have to do in OS X? I have to go in to app expose or MC. Then I have to find the window that I want to close. Then I have to click it. And then I have press CMD+Q. My thinkpad also has an IPS screen and everything looks much sharper and the colors look better. I spend more than 2 hours to configure my MBP13 to look exactly like that IPS screen in terms of color reproduction and I finally gave up.

I bought the MBP13 primarily for its design. After using it I could add another feature to the list. 1) It works better with my airport express when streaming music. So its basically the aluminum design and airplay of the MBP vs the rest of the thinkpad. I basically don't like anything else of a mac.

But I also have buyers remorse because the MBP15 and the MBA. I keep thinking over and over again. Should I have gone for the Hi-res glossy MBP15 or should I have waited a month for the new MBA? Can anyone help me please

You don't like the trackpad on your macbook pro? or the keyboard.
I wonder how it is that you even bought that thing.
Seriously, how did you get it out of the store? Did you even use one before you bought it?
There are so many questions. What about the best trackpad on the market do you not like? I know everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but forgive me for being a little confused.
This is such a stupid thread. Why would you post something like this? Just return the ********** computer.

 

[Titanium81]

This thread is (officially) DEAD!

 

[mystik610]

I have to agree with everyone here.

As a former/current windows user myself, and a heavy user of MS Office (particularly Excel) I can honestly understand a lot of your qualms with OSX.

But if there OS and track pad are that much of an issue to you now, why werent they at the top of your priorities when you purchased the MBP? It seems rather silly that someone would drop that much money on a MBP without being absolutely sure about it....particularly if there was a chance that you'd hate the OS as much as you do now. I mean...you decided you hate the track pad AFTER you bought it? Macs are sold at just about every electronics store these days....you should have had plenty of opportunities to try it out before you brought it home. I personally spent about 2 months looking at the MBP, playing with it in the store, and researching it, as my MBP doubles as both a work and play device and I did not want to be stuck with something that wouldn't work for me.

There's certainly nothing wrong with prioritizing aesthetics when purchasing a laptop....but if you're prioritizing aesthetics over function, you better be sure you're willing to live with whatever issues you have with the functionality of the machine. And you should have spent every bit of the two weeks you had to return it to be absolutely sure the MBP was right for you.

Macs and OSX are not for everyone...the same goes with windows. There's certainly nothing wrong with not liking something because it doesn't fit your needs. But to go around and trash the the MBP and OSX on a forum where people do like the hardware, all because you're frustrated with your own purchase...its a little immature honestly. You clearly made a mistake in your purchase. Man up and live with it dude.

 

[rockyroad55]

I have to agree with everyone here.

As a former/current windows user myself, and a heavy user of MS Office (particularly Excel) I can honestly understand a lot of your qualms with OSX.

But if there OS and track pad are that much of an issue to you now, why werent they at the top of your priorities when you purchased the MBP? It seems rather silly that someone would drop that much money on a MBP without being absolutely sure about it....particularly if there was a chance that you'd hate the OS as much as you do now. I mean...you decided you hate the track pad AFTER you bought it? Macs are sold at just about every electronics store these days....you should have had plenty of opportunities to try it out before you brought it home. I personally spent about 2 months looking at the MBP, playing with it in the store, and researching it, as my MBP doubles as both a work and play device and I did not want to be stuck with something that wouldn't work for me.

There's certainly nothing wrong with prioritizing aesthetics when purchasing a laptop....but if you're prioritizing aesthetics over function, you better be sure you're willing to live with whatever issues you have with the functionality of the machine. And you should have spent every bit of the two weeks you had to return it to be absolutely sure the MBP was right for you.

Macs and OSX are not for everyone...the same goes with windows. There's certainly nothing wrong with not liking something because it doesn't fit your needs. But to go around and trash the the MBP and OSX on a forum where people do like the hardware, all because you're frustrated with your own purchase...its a little immature honestly. You clearly made a mistake in your purchase. Man up and live with it dude.

I actually did my research for over a year. I was into Windows computers and swore by them for many years before I purchased my first MBP in 2009. I hated OSX then because it didn't run anything I wanted it to, but I gave it a chance primarily because my friends converted and they said it was the best thing since, umm, graduating?

There's nothing wrong with hating the Apple ecosystem, but to come here where we many of us primarily own at least one Apple computer and bash us isn't something I would do.

 

[Apple OC]

I wanted to know what some of the reasons for you are for owning a MBP.

because we can

 

[surjavarman]

I already told you guys that I bought the MBP because it was made from aluminum and I didn't want to have a plastic notebook. That was the main reason. Now can you guys point me to another laptop thats made from either aluminum, titanium, stainless steel, wood, stone, cotton, bamboo or glass? I've looked already and there was at nothing that could compete with Apple.

Before I made the purchase I did a test run in one of the apple stores. I looked at the specs, all the features and just played with it. And at that time I noticed a few things that I didn't like. One of the things was the lack of a middle mouse button. Well someone told me that I could configure that. So I went ahead and purchased the laptop. It was btw always my intention that I would use the laptop for a maximum of 2 years. Most likely 1 year because I was anticipating a redesign next year. But I also needed a laptop NOW and thats why I went for the cheapest that Apple had to over.

Believe it or not but I did do research and I have actually been mac user for years at my university. Though that were OS X versions from way back ago and I can't really remember much of that experience.

Now can I help it that I couldn't predict that I would still like navigating with the trackpoint over a trackpad. That I would prefer a tactile middle mouse button over a 3 finger tap gesture. That the feel and button layout of the thinkpads keyboard would be superior to the MBP. How could I know that those things weren't just a matter of getting used to it. I always had that in the back of my head but then the aluminum unibody came in to the equation and it was a compromise I was willing to make. Worst case scenario: I take a hit in my workflow but I am still able to perform all the things I want to do with a computer.



And where was I bashing OS X? I just said that there were things that good things about it and a few bad things about. I said a million times that I am pretty neutral about both W7 and OS X right now. Which OS do I want to use know? I really don't know. I just don't know because OS X has a very strong card with airplay for me.





AND CMD+W IS WRONG IN SO MANY WAYS!!!!! First of all its a keyboard shortcut. You need to lift your hand of the trackpad, locate the button combination and then move your hand back to the trackpad again. This causes fatigue and uncomfortable sitting positions and is less efficient than like using a middle mouse button or even aiming for that X to close it. Second CMD+W only closes the TAB that is already selected. What if you want to close just a specific tab? Thats where the middle mouse button reigns supreme. CMD+W has its uses as a gesture but it would always be complementary to the middle mouse button and not a replacement.

 

[Prodo123]

I already told you guys that I bought the MBP because it was made from aluminum and I didn't want to have a plastic notebook. That was the main reason. Now can you guys point me to another laptop thats made from either aluminum, titanium, stainless steel, wood, stone, cotton, bamboo or glass? I've looked already and there was at nothing that could compete with Apple.

You're buying a laptop for the wrong reasons. Content with laptop > Performance > Design.

Before I made the purchase I did a test run in one of the apple stores. I looked at the specs, all the features and just played with it. And at that time I noticed a few things that I didn't like. One of the things was the lack of a middle mouse button. Well someone told me that I could configure that. So I went ahead and purchased the laptop. It was btw always my intention that I would use the laptop for a maximum of 2 years. Most likely 1 year because I was anticipating a redesign next year. But I also needed a laptop NOW and thats why I went for the cheapest that Apple had to over.

If you don't like it, then don't buy it. Now that it's too late, get a wireless mouse.

Now can I help it that I couldn't predict that I would still like navigating with the trackpoint over a trackpad. That I would prefer a tactile middle mouse button over a 3 finger tap gesture. That the feel and button layout of the thinkpads keyboard would be superior to the MBP. How could I know that those things weren't just a matter of getting used to it. I always had that in the back of my head but then the aluminum unibody came in to the equation and it was a compromise I was willing to make. Worst case scenario: I take a hit in my workflow but I am still able to perform all the things I want to do with a computer.

It IS a matter of getting used to it; you're just not accepting that you must adjust. So stop complaining and adjust.

AND CMD+W IS WRONG IN SO MANY WAYS!!!!! First of all its a keyboard shortcut. You need to lift your hand of the trackpad, locate the button combination and then move your hand back to the trackpad again. This causes fatigue and uncomfortable sitting positions and is less efficient than like using a middle mouse button or even aiming for that X to close it. Second CMD+W only closes the TAB that is already selected. What if you want to close just a specific tab? Thats where the middle mouse button reigns supreme. CMD+W has its uses as a gesture but it would always be complementary to the middle mouse button and not a replacement.

You have never used keyboard navigation, have you?
Ever try pressing Ctrl+W in Firefox and Chrome? IT DOES THE SAME FREAKING THING. Wanna close an app? USE THE RIGHT KEYBOARD SHORTCUT. IT'S CMD+Q for QUIT.
ALL of the Apple shortcuts are self-explanatory. Cmd+O for Open, Cmd+C for copy, Cmd+W for Window, Cmd+Q for Quit, Cmd+F for Find. Learn them.

Also, it sounds like you haven't read the "Everything Mac" manual packaged in the box. Read it.

Really, the only problem that you have is that you are refusing to adjust because all you see are "problems" instead of the good side of things. For example, why in the world did you expect a 4-inch-wide piece of glass to work like a TrackPoint, then complain about how it doesn't have middle mouse button??

And Apple only puts in only what's necessary unless specified by the end user. There's a reason why Apple has not included a middle mouse button; you don't need it. You hold on to old habits, but once you realize you don't need it, then you won't long for it.

What the hell do I know? 14 years of PC experience, 7 years of it with a ThinkCentre and a ThinkPad. With a TrackPoint. Made by IBM, not Lenovo.
Stop whining and get used to it. You made your choice; now deal with it.

 

[phonk]

AND CMD+W IS WRONG IN SO MANY WAYS!!!!! First of all its a keyboard shortcut. You need to lift your hand of the trackpad, locate the button combination and then move your hand back to the trackpad again. This causes fatigue and uncomfortable sitting positions and is less efficient than like using a middle mouse button or even aiming for that X to close it. Second CMD+W only closes the TAB that is already selected. What if you want to close just a specific tab? Thats where the middle mouse button reigns supreme. CMD+W has its uses as a gesture but it would always be complementary to the middle mouse button and not a replacement.

Never saw anybody using the trackpad with two hands... You're holding it wrong,... seriously.

 

[Prodo123]

Well in my case its nonsense and I get pissed when people blindly copy other people's statements without checking the facts. It's not common knowledge. This is called a myth.

And if you give me the product numbers of the other 3 panels of the MBP13 (I believe there are 4 in total over the last 2-3 years) and the 2 panels of the MBA13. Then I'll gladly check the facts for you instead of believing in hype and myths.

Just use your brain seriously and check the facts yourself. That test on anandtech is so flawed in every way possible that its unbelievable.

I think you need to visit an optometrist. Or an eye doctor if it's serious.
Both screens are good screens. But you wanted ultimate design, here's your consequence.
And who knows, maybe your old ThinkPad had its calibration messed up.

Honestly, I know for a fact you have been using computers the wrong way. Unless you're a lefty, CMD+W is NOT a fatigue-inducing motion on a trackpad/TrackPoint. Yet here we are.
You buy computers solely on design. Then once that's satisfied you start looking into performance. What?
You expect to get a brand-new laptop from another company, and you expect it to be identical in user experience to your old one. WHAT?
You expect one of the world's thinnest fully featured laptops to have the world's greatest screen (or at least accurate to the 0.001%). What?
You buy a MacBook Pro, end up not liking it, use it for a while, and ask why you should not sell it. What?

People point out flaws in your argument and whining, and you call it all a sham. What?

Really, what you're doing is ridiculous. Sorry to be harsh but please stop whining.

 

[surjavarman]

You're buying a laptop for the wrong reasons. Content with laptop > Performance > Design.


If you don't like it, then don't buy it. Now that it's too late, get a wireless mouse.


It IS a matter of getting used to it; you're just not accepting that you must adjust. So stop complaining and adjust.


You have never used keyboard navigation, have you?
Ever try pressing Ctrl+W in Firefox and Chrome? IT DOES THE SAME FREAKING THING. Wanna close an app? USE THE RIGHT KEYBOARD SHORTCUT. IT'S CMD+Q for QUIT.
ALL of the Apple shortcuts are self-explanatory. Cmd+O for Open, Cmd+C for copy, Cmd+W for Window, Cmd+Q for Quit, Cmd+F for Find. Learn them.

Also, it sounds like you haven't read the "Everything Mac" manual packaged in the box. Read it.

Really, the only problem that you have is that you are refusing to adjust because all you see are "problems" instead of the good side of things. For example, why in the world did you expect a 4-inch-wide piece of glass to work like a TrackPoint, then complain about how it doesn't have middle mouse button??

And Apple only puts in only what's necessary unless specified by the end user. There's a reason why Apple has not included a middle mouse button; you don't need it. You hold on to old habits, but once you realize you don't need it, then you won't long for it.

What the hell do I know? 14 years of PC experience, 7 years of it with a ThinkCentre and a ThinkPad. With a TrackPoint. Made by IBM, not Lenovo.
Stop whining and get used to it. You made your choice; now deal with it.

I use keyboard shortcuts but I'd rather avoid if I have to cause it causes strain and fatigue. Especially when the trackpad is located UNDER the keyboard but even if its right in the middle keyboard (as is the case with a trackpoint!) I'd still rather avoid using them if I have to.

Now for the case of CMD+W. Its obviously you guys have never used middle mouse buttons. Let me explain it. Say you got tabs 1,2,3,4,5,6 open and you are working in tab2. But you want to close tab 1,5 and 6. Can you use CMD+W immediately? NO BECAUSE IT WILL CLOSE TAB2!

So what do you have to do? You have to click tab1, wait like a 0.1sec for the new tab, move your hand to the CMD+W, press CMD+W, move your hand back to the trackpad, click tab5, wait like 0.1 sec, move your hand over to the CMD+W buttons, press CMD+W twice, move your hand back to trackpad, click tab2 once again, wait 0.1sec.

Now what do you have to do when you have a middle mouse button? You just have to move your cursor over to tab1, use a 3 finger tap (or middle mouse button) and then over to tab5 and use the middle mouse gesture or button twice. Now I don't even have to go in to the advantages of opening links in new tabs with the middle mouse which your sacred CMD+W button can't do! You have to right click it then select open link in new tab. I want to recommend you guys to configure BTT to include a middle mouse button as a gesture but you guys just aren't open for it. I am talking to close minded stubborn people. Its frustrating for me


Now don't tell me that CMD+W is better than middle mouse button because its not. And its obvious that you guys don't what you are talking about. It's obvious that you guys are sitting at a desk with two hands on the palmrest. Well I am not I am either sitting in my sofa, on the toilet or lying on bed. 95% of the time I am using one hand (either one depending on the situation) and 95% of the time its located on trackpad. Anything that involves keyboard keys of any kind causes fatigue for me and waste time. Thus I want to avoid using them as much as possible. Luckily you rarely need a keyboard for the internet. You just go from link to link. It's only when I need to do some serious typing that I am using two hands. Again you guys are ignorant and close minded. I am open for any method as long as those methods are good. Like on page 2 of this thread some suggested to configure CMD+W as a swipe up gesture and I immediately followed his suggestion because I think its useful.


Please don't tell me that because Steve didn't include the middle mouse button either as a gesture or a button in OS X because we don't need it. Well we don't need 2 finger scrolling either. Using arrows or the scroll bar works fine too. We don't need your sacred CMD+W either cause we can just click on the X's. We don't need swipe gestures for navigating. The UI already has those buttons in every program displaying on the screen. Stop. Just stop. Please

 

[Dark Void]

You're buying a laptop for the wrong reasons. Content with laptop > Performance > Design.

Not that I am trying to defend the OP, his posts are pretty stupid, but you can't tell someone that what they bought with their money was for the wrong reason.

Your post is also a contradiction, and kind of ridiculous that your suggesting this scale as some sort of standard. "Content with laptop" could mean anything, including the "Design" which you listed as the least important.

Stop getting trolled by the OP. You're looking foolish.

 

[ctbear]

I use keyboard shortcuts but I'd rather avoid if I have to cause it causes strain and fatigue. Especially when the trackpad is located UNDER the keyboard but even if its right in the middle keyboard (as is the case with a trackpoint!) I'd still rather avoid using them if I have to.

Now for the case of CMD+W. Its obviously you guys have never used middle mouse buttons. Let me explain it. Say you got tabs 1,2,3,4,5,6 open and you are working in tab2. But you want to close tab 1,5 and 6. Can you use CMD+W immediately? NO BECAUSE IT WILL CLOSE TAB2!

So what do you have to do? You have to click tab1, wait like a 0.1sec for the new tab, move your hand to the CMD+W, press CMD+W, move your hand back to the trackpad, click tab5, wait like 0.1 sec, move your hand over to the CMD+W buttons, press CMD+W twice, move your hand back to trackpad, click tab2 once again, wait 0.1sec.

Now what do you have to do when you have a middle mouse button? You just have to move your cursor over to tab1, use a 3 finger tap (or middle mouse button) and then over to tab5 and use the middle mouse gesture or button twice. Now I don't even have to go in to the advantages of opening links in new tabs with the middle mouse which your sacred CMD+W button can't do! You have to right click it then select open link in new tab. I want to recommend you guys to configure BTT to include a middle mouse button as a gesture but you guys just aren't open for it. I am talking to close minded stubborn people. Its frustrating for me


Now don't tell me that CMD+W is better than middle mouse button because its not. And its obvious that you guys don't what you are talking about. It's obvious that you guys are sitting at a desk with two hands on the palmrest. Well I am not I am either sitting in my sofa, on the toilet or lying on bed. 95% of the time I am using one hand (either one depending on the situation) and 95% of the time its located on trackpad. Anything that involves keyboard keys of any kind causes fatigue for me and waste time. Thus I want to avoid using them as much as possible. Luckily you rarely need a keyboard for the internet. You just go from link to link. It's only when I need to do some serious typing that I am using two hands. Again you guys are ignorant and close minded. I am open for any method as long as those methods are good. Like on page 2 of this thread some suggested to configure CMD+W as a swipe up gesture and I immediately followed his suggestion because I think its useful.


Please don't tell me that because Steve didn't include the middle mouse button either as a gesture or a button in OS X because we don't need it. Well we don't need 2 finger scrolling either. Using arrows or the scroll bar works fine too. We don't need your sacred CMD+W either cause we can just click on the X's. We don't need swipe gestures for navigating. The UI already has those buttons in every program displaying on the screen. Stop. Just stop. Please

Here is a tip: if you just can't deal with keyboard shortcuts (which is way faster by the way), go download Chrome. Turn on Tab overview under about:flags. Set up a trackpad gesture in BTT for Cmd+Opt+T (I think) for tab overview. From there you can close tabs with cursor easier and have thumbnails for all your tabs so you won't close the wrong tab.

 

[rockyroad55]

Sony Vaio makes nice aluminum laptops like the Z series.

Asus makes the ones with bamboo.

 

[Prodo123]

Not that I am trying to defend the OP, his posts are pretty stupid, but you can't tell someone that what they bought with their money was for the wrong reason.

Your post is also a contradiction, and kind of ridiculous that your suggesting this scale as some sort of standard. "Content with laptop" could mean anything, including the "Design" which you listed as the least important.

Stop getting trolled by the OP. You're looking foolish.

If you like the design, but have many things that you don't like about the computer, then you are not content with the laptop and therefore you should not buy it. Likewise, you like the design but if the computer has crappy specs then you should not buy it. The OP was obviously unhappy with the laptop when he first tried it out, yet he still bought it for the design. So he did buy it for the wrong reasons.

I know it's sort of contradictory, but if there's an aspect of the computer that you don't like, then unless it's the one with the least flaws, you should not buy it.

 

[Adamantoise]

lol

Sure it sounds silly but it was a selling point for me too.

 

[rockyroad55]

I already told you guys that I bought the MBP because it was made from aluminum and I didn't want to have a plastic notebook. That was the main reason. Now can you guys point me to another laptop thats made from either aluminum, titanium, stainless steel, wood, stone, cotton, bamboo or glass? I've looked already and there was at nothing that could compete with Apple.

If you're going for a Windows laptop, you don't have much of a choice for premium materials.

Sony Vaio Z series is one of the best I have seen. While expensive, I believe their build quality is top notch for Windows OS.

Just wondering, why was two weeks not enough time to figure out these simple issues? Seems like you don't like the keyboard shortcuts, which could have been figured out in the first few days.