What are the rumors and leaks for the next 16" MacBook Pro?

[Hieveryone]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Apple needs to give optional upgrades for 4K and OLED

I'm fine with the stock version screen being what it is now.

But if they can offer an option to upgrade your screen to 4K and OLED for a reasonable price that would awesome

That way, those who say "BuT wHy dO yOu NeEd 4k oN a LaPtoP" can be happy and those who want 4K and OLED can be happy lol

 

[vmistery]

I don’t think the next refresh will be visibly huge and the design won’t massively change much (could move something like a speaker grill or fan). If history repeats we should get 3 or more spec bumps inside a similar chassis I’d wager. As for the internals Intel hasn’t been up to much so we may get a 10th gen but it’s not hugely better, my guess would be the 2021 or 2022 refresh will get a more significant CPU change if we are still with Intel at that point.

It’s a weird time to buy an Intel powered device at the moment, I know this thread isn’t requesting advice on that this is just methinking out loud. If it was anything else I’d say hold till intel makes their predicted leap in the next 18 months or go AMD, but with Apple, it really doesn’t matter as the resale value is so good you just don’t lose that much by upgrading every few years.

 

[RumorConsumer]

I’m starting to contemplate getting a 16” MacBook. Is this update happening soon? Are we thinking WWDC announcement or until the fall.

Will not be WWDC. They just refreshed the 13" in the last 30 days. It would be really odd to do two separate notebook updates with a month or so of each other. Just do them on the same day and don't confuse the consumer would be the intelligent way to do it. You have people in the market for a portable who are debating which one to buy and youre gonna give them a reason to re-evaluate the purchase within a month? Nah. They'll let sleeping dogs lie on the 16" until late in the year possibly to coincide with the release of the new OS but that would not be a must. The 16" MacBook Pro is pretty widely currently agreed to be the best all around laptop out there.

 

[leman]

For example, it might weigh 3 grams more than current model and some people will complain that the weight gain is intolerable.

More like it will weight 3 grams less and people will complain about Apple "doing form over function"
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It would be really odd to do two separate notebook updates with a month or so of each other. Just do them on the same day and don't confuse the consumer would be the intelligent way to do it.

Alas component hardware updates don't work that way. If you wait until all stars align the competitors will leave you behind.

 

[AAtte]

Will not be WWDC. They just refreshed the 13" in the last 30 days. It would be really odd to do two separate notebook updates with a month or so of each other. Just do them on the same day and don't confuse the consumer would be the intelligent way to do it. You have people in the market for a portable who are debating which one to buy and youre gonna give them a reason to re-evaluate the purchase within a month? Nah. They'll let sleeping dogs lie on the 16" until late in the year possibly to coincide with the release of the new OS but that would not be a must. The 16" MacBook Pro is pretty widely currently agreed to be the best all around laptop out there.

I’m not sure if anyone thinks the 16” hot heater is a good computer.

 

[Fadel Berakdar]

A floating, rotatable screen <like the iPad-Pro with magic keyboard> with continuous speakers grills from left to the upper part to the right, aligned with a better cooling solution under the hood and revolutionized typing experience. Let's just dream.

 

[Mauro Marcenaro]

Do you think it'll be a spec bump or something material?

Maybe an HDMI port, SD card slot (KIDDING)

Jokes aside, I hope it is a material upgrade. I just got a new laptop but am willing to splurge on some new tech if Apple releases it

apple in last 4 ys are out of mind
they don t care performance
want only money ,but give back only fable
asus dell msi hp
have fastest notebook
and cost less
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We hope for a mini LED display.. question if they will update it to the 10th gen Intel CPU will they go for a 128GB memory? It maybe supported

apple is out of mind
has lose all
msi asus hp lenovo dell are doing very nice notebook cost less
amd 4900hs is 30 % faster than I9 mbp 2019

 

[BuCkDoG]

Are the problems of the 16" macbook pro wide-spread? I was planning on buying one, but now I'm not so sure. If I didn't need one now, I would wait. I could go with a pc, but I've always liked the ease of using my mac. Thoughts?

Dude thats' the deal of the century. If you don't mind me asking, how'd you get it?

I would take that deal in a heartbeat

Oh I agree and it was tough sending it back but I got it from a friend of mine that works at Apple and used his discount and I just paid him cash for no paper trail.

 

[Hieveryone]

apple in last 4 ys are out of mind
they don t care performance
want only money ,but give back only fable
asus dell msi hp
have fastest notebook
and cost less
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apple is out of mind
has lose all
msi asus hp lenovo dell are doing very nice notebook cost less
amd 4900hs is 30 % faster than I9 mbp 2019

I mean I don’t think you’re wrong it’s just that Apples reliability has me hooked.

I like being able to just turn on my computer and get going consistently without worrying if my computer will freeze, if I need to install new drivers, if I need to make updates that may take hours.

Mac has no maintenance and it just works every time
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Oh I agree and it was tough sending it back but I got it from a friend of mine that works at Apple and used his discount and I just paid him cash for no paper trail.

How much discount do Apple employees get!?!?!? Geeze

 

[BuCkDoG]

I mean I don’t think you’re wrong it’s just that Apples reliability has me hooked.

I like being able to just turn on my computer and get going consistently without worrying if my computer will freeze, if I need to install new drivers, if I need to make updates that may take hours.

Mac has no maintenance and it just works every time
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How much discount do Apple employees get!?!?!? Geeze

I’m not sure I didn’t ask lol. I just asked him to get me this model and I’ll pay you cash and that’s what her price was. I originally planned on keeping the computer for many years obviously but like I mentioned earlier, the screen response time Irritated me enough to where I wasn’t happy with it. If they address that in future models, I will buy it in a second. It really is an incredible laptop. It’s worth mentioning I only saw the issue in rapid movements like gaming or video editing not photo editing since your not moving objects around fast enough to see it.

 

[Madhatter32]

I’m not sure if anyone thinks the 16” hot heater is a good computer.

The new 17 inch Dell comes with a new thermal design that includes a patented vapor chamber to reduce temperatures of the intel i9 processor. This is the company that seems to be innovating these days in terms of laptops. It's a 17 inch laptop with reduced bezels so it fits into a 15 inch form factor. I would take these bits of innovation over a touchbar and butterfly keyboard any day of the week. I just wish it ran MacOS.

 

[Mauro Marcenaro]

I mean I don’t think you’re wrong it’s just that Apples reliability has me hooked.

I like being able to just turn on my computer and get going consistently without worrying if my computer will freeze, if I need to install new drivers, if I need to make updates that may take hours.

Mac has no maintenance and it just works every time
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How much discount do Apple employees get!?!?!? Geeze

hi
ok in all you said

i 've buy 5 mbp , the last was a late 2013 16 gb ram

but in last ys i saw apple didi not do a good performace machine

i think for amd cpu, i understan that the problem is tb3 and usb4
ok but 4900hs is 30 % faster than intel
is not bad i think

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I've never seen Apple make $ 300 - $ 400 discounts for 2019 16'' mbp
what would that mean?
maybe a new car is coming out?
or are they opponents simply making better notebooks?

 

[aajeevlin]

I no longer care. My current 16" MBP, 32gb, 5500M, i9 will be the last high end MBP I ever buy. Apple does not know how to design high performance laptops without fans at 4500rpm and 68C idle temps when used with external monitors. I'm done.

What would you get next through? That’s been my question.

 

[UBS28]

The next 16” MBP will be:
- 14mm Intel 10th gen CPU
- AMD NAVI 2 GPU

Release date: End of 2020.

Or

- 10mm Intel 11th gen CPU
- AMD Navi 2 GPU

Release date: Early / mid 2021.

 

[aajeevlin]

The new 17 inch Dell comes with a new thermal design that includes a patented vapor chamber to reduce temperatures of the intel i9 processor. This is the company that seems to be innovating these days in terms of laptops. It's a 17 inch laptop with reduced bezels so it fits into a 15 inch form factor. I would take these bits of innovation over a touchbar and butterfly keyboard any day of the week. I just wish it ran MacOS.

Apples ecosystem can only hold people for so long. iMessage is no longer is good excuse to choose expensive Apple shareware. If dell can be as reliable as Apple hardware wise I have no problem jumping to windows.

 

[leman]

I’m not sure if anyone thinks the 16” hot heater is a good computer.

The world is bigger than you think.

 

[Dennison]

Let’s get back on topic? Lol the 16” is quite a fine computer, a letter of apology to disaffected Pro users holding onto their aging 2015’s.

Realistically, I think an update to the 16” is likely within the July-November timeframe. Not sure if it’s worth waiting, they’ll change very little before the LEDs are ready in 2021.
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For sure we will see 10th Gen Intel chips and upgraded GPUs (RX 5600M/5700M to replace the current 5300M/5500M). While the CPU is a minor speed improvement, early benchmarks of the 5600M shows a significant increase in performance. If you do anything graphics intensive then I would wait.

Grafikkarten Vergleich - Head 2 Head

AMD Radeon RX 5600M vs AMD Radeon RX 5500M vs AMD Radeon RX 5300M - Benchmarks, Tests and Comparisons

www.notebookcheck.com

Are these GPUs ready?

 

[aajeevlin]

Let’s get back on topic? Lol the 16” is quite a fine computer, a letter of apology to disaffected Pro users holding onto their aging 2015’s.

Realistically, I think an update to the 16” is likely within the July-November timeframe. Not sure if it’s worth waiting, they’ll change very little before the LEDs are ready in 2021.

CPU bump and that’s it. I don’t expect Apple to do much these days.They just came our with this new design. Apple will milk everyone for as long as they can.

 

[leman]

For sure we will see 10th Gen Intel chips and upgraded GPUs (RX 5600M/5700M to replace the current 5300M/5500M). While the CPU is a minor speed improvement, early benchmarks of the 5600M shows a significant increase in performance. If you do anything graphics intensive then I would wait.

The RX 5600M/5700M are bigger chips and therefore unlikely to find their way into the MBP. But they would be great for the iMac.

Not to mention that Apple uses custom versions of Navi anyway... so benchmarks of the RX versions are not indicative — they have different CU/clock configurations.

 

[bill-p]

I’m not sure if anyone thinks the 16” hot heater is a good computer.

Mine works fine. It's connected to a 5K ultrawide and doesn't run into extra heat or fan noise issues.

Also I'd take the extra fan noise over throttling any time. Other MacBooks have throttled very badly. The 16" doesn't throttle that easily. It's mostly limited by power draw (max 85-90W sustained or 100-120W burst). But in return, the 8-core CPU and Navi GPU work wonders for my use case.

 

[God of Biscuits]

I no longer care. My current 16" MBP, 32gb, 5500M, i9 will be the last high end MBP I ever buy. Apple does not know how to design high performance laptops without fans at 4500rpm and 68C idle temps when used with external monitors. I'm done.

I’m curious who you think does better. And which models they make with the same performance that have better thermals.

 

[transpo1]

I can easily see that micro-LED or mini-LED whatever 16 inch MBP slipping in the schedule a bit, like as late as WWDC 2021, giving them an excuse to bump the current 16 design with 10th gen chips and maybe a 1080p camera to address the louder webcam complaints. Better battery life like rated at 12 hours instead of 11? That’s probably it, I‘m waiting for it at the moment.

Yeah, I still find it amazing that my $4000+ MBP doesn't have a 1080p webcam.
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Unfortunately, those "horror stories" about 16" MBP + external monitors are true. I've tested two friends machines...same "performance" as mine. Multiple threads on reddit about this as well.

Now, if you're ok with exclusive use of clamshell mode with an external monitor... combined with turning off Intel's Turbo Boost via Turbo Boost Switcher Pro (3rd party app).. in other words, sacrificing that performance you PAID for...then most people find the heat / fans behavior "workable". If someone were to ask me my opinion on what to buy, and they need mobility via a laptop...then I rec 13" mbp / i7 / 32 GB ram + an eGPU.

Then again, you're editing 8k footage?!? Sorry, but I think it's a very bad idea to consider the 16" MBP. You MUST get an eGPU !!! The 16" MBP fans will be at 4500rpm or higher all the time. The machine will have a short lifespan. So, add $700/$800 eGPU to your budget.

What am I gonna do? I ordered an eGPU set up (Razor Core X Chroma+ 5700XT)...arriving in a week. That should solve the 16" mbp heat and fans issues. Then once the new iMacs come out, I'm dumping the 16" mbp for an iMac and keeping the eGPU for a powerhouse system that is cool in temps and QUIET. And use my 2017 iPad Pro for general computing needs. I'll buy an entry level 13"/14" for mobility at some point. Never again will I buy a "fully spec'd MBP". NEVER. If someone truly needs a laptop that approaches desktop level performance... BUY A PC laptop. Go spec out the new 15"/17" Dell XPS or a Razor Blade Pro.

Is it possible once Apple moves to 10nm chips in the next 16", it could be significantly better? Sure, it's possible. Once they move to ARM chips for MBP's in 2023..that could be a game changer imo. I won't buy one, regardless. Want desktop performance? Buy a desktop! I was stupid, but I've learned my lesson. Painfully. Good luck.

Thanks for the reply!

I totally agree in principle about using a desktop for 8K- however, in practice, I need to keep my setup mobile. Surprisingly, the mid-2018 MBP i9 with 32GB RAM 560X model did quite well when editing 8K footage, although most of the editing was done in proxy mode, so only the online edit was truly in 8K. But 8K Redcode editing was not awful. A huge caveat to this is that I was editing in the dead of winter and had the MBP elevated on a stand throughout most of it for better airflow.

With the external monitor issues surrounding the newest 16", I'm inclined to wait for the next gen, even if I lose some money on my 2018 trade in...

 

[iTech23]

I am hoping a new 16 inch Galabook, which is a high performance arm based laptop meant for gaming (and no touch bar). Give us something a little different Apple!

The Touch Bar was Something different and now a lot of companies are following that route, Asus, Intel, I don’t really understand why people hate it so much......
If you see the stuff that Intel and other companies are testing, the keyboard is completely replaced by a second touch screen that works as a keyboard. We are supposed to go forward not backwards with those weird mechanical keyboards.

 

[Wahlstrm]

Proposal:
Knock $200 of the price and and make the Touchbar a $300 option for the half a dozen users who likes it. Win/Win. 😏

At least the higher model should start at 32GB by now.

 

[hanske68]

Here is what I think:

In line with the mac mini "update": they will rename the "MacBook Pro" to "iBook Pro". And label it "new". And increase the price for this "brand new iBook Pro". Obviously.

To top it, they might include some new marketing stickers in the package as well.