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What are your favorite nuances of the MBP that you don't find out of box in other PCs
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That's a factor of the OS, not the hardware. You want to post your favorite nuances of the MPB, then use those not the OS.
btw, there are other OS's that are faster. Linux as number of variants that have extremely fast boot times. Win7's boot time is no slouch either and win8 is projected to improve that. So you see as I write this, its not a MacBook Pro factor but the OS.
really? thats the main thing i hate! as soon as i got my mbp o messed with stuff and didnt have backups, my internet was waaaaay too slow to recover it online, so i had to buy the thumb drive. i think every mac should come with the thumb drive or built in recovery of the os, not downloadable, already on the computer.
seriously, a recovery for a couple GB OS downloading online? apple really expects everyone to have the greatest most reliable internet all the time.
Yes, but no full recovery, just a small partition that sets up the system and then proceeds to connect to the internet and download the other GBs worth of information needed to complete the install. Not including it on a disc or flash drive within the box has been a complaint by many.
I don't really understand this thread, it just seems to be a list of stuff.
Plenty of these things work the same (or in a similar) way on a Windows based machine.
For me, pros are the touchpad, as I still haven't found one that's as accurate and easy to use as the Apple device.
Battery life is also a strong point.
Plenty of these things work the same (or in a similar) way on a Windows based machine.
For me, pros are the touchpad, as I still haven't found one that's as accurate and easy to use as the Apple device.
Battery life is also a strong point.
Thats actually a good one. Less steps such as "save changes" due to modern and elegant system design.
Aka less steps to do the basic things.
I don't really understand this thread, it just seems to be a list of stuff.
Plenty of these things work the same (or in a similar) way on a Windows based machine.
For me, pros are the touchpad, as I still haven't found one that's as accurate and easy to use as the Apple device.
Battery life is also a strong point.
Its pretty much a gathering of various subtle advantages that are not substantial enough to be considered as a significant advantage on its own to mention in a debate or something but if you add all the nuances together they add up to be a significant element in the decision making process to the consumer.
I don't want to include anything that is controversial or debatable, it should be a collection of mostly reasonably irrefutable facts.
So far:
--------------------MAJOR REASONS TO OWN A MBP OVER OTHER TYPICAL LAPTOPS -----------------
(things they usually don't have, at least not in one package)
-OSX will not slow down over time and become sluggish after filling the hard drive with programs.
-Trackpad size, touch sensitivity, and navigation.
-Battery efficiency/length.
-Unibody design.
-Logic Pro an OSX exclusive, is the best music production software available.
-iCloud everything.
----------------------------MINOR SUBTLE REASONS TO OWN A MBP --------------------------------
(things that are too small to bring up or something someone could install as a third party Win7 program)
-I can just close the lid and open it it, and it will be like instant on or off no delay.
-Fastest boot times.
-I can highlight a word and just use the built in thesaurus.
-I can hold down shift command (nerds) 4 and make a screenshot and it saves it to my desktop ready for uploading anywhere.
-Built in text to voice reader with the tap of a button. Highlight text and read. Especially combined with Reader.
-Mag safe
-Runs quitter than the average laptop.
-Perfect plug and play reaction time and behavior (might be same on current Win)
-No pre-installed bloatware like is common (or alternately no need to fresh re-install upon purchase)
-Systemwide spell check
-Easy to use system preferences, no save as button.
-Less steps to do basic things
-Faster/better system update processes.
-Faster force quit
So pretty much when people say, OK you just payed a premium for a Mac, my 600$ laptop does the same things and has better specs, you can't say... Oh yeah well force quit is faster on a mac... and it has a built in thesaurus.
Then they will say... so that is worth 1000$ to you? --And I can find a Thesaurus online. So these little subtle reasons are not reason enough (the trackpad and battery is though) but the idea is that if we add them all up, they become another "battery" level advantage from the consumer perspective.
So I am just trying to gather all those little subtle advantages in one place....
In list form they become more meaningful as they add up to a superior ownership experience.
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no they dont
1. thats just because most people who use windows do not know how to maintain a computer. its not a human, it doesnt get old and slow down, its all the crap that piles up on the computer and running processes from people not running defrag or disk cleanups and leaving the bloatware on the systems.
2. you can maintain any battery the same as a mac, but again most PC users do not know this
3. pc's have battery settings andlid closing options as well, in fact they might be a little better because you can turn the lid close option on or off, so it doesnt ALWAYS have to sleep or shut down like a mac.
4.boot times are about equal, throw in an ssd for any os and theres your "fastest boot time"
5. mac's are loud as hell when you run specific programs. way louder and way hotter than pc's. no question.
I use a mbp everyday, and these are things i noticed that you somehow missed. i came from using pc's and never had a problem, only in my novice days as a beginning user. my point: apple just seems this way to you because you were sucked in by the "dummy proofing" they do with the OS, unlike pc's where theres more options to mess things up and give the user 100% control right out of the box.
I love my MBP, I'm just not a fanboy.
no they dont
1. thats just because most people who use windows do not know how to maintain a computer. its not a human, it doesnt get old and slow down, its all the crap that piles up on the computer and running processes from people not running defrag or disk cleanups and leaving the bloatware on the systems.
2. you can maintain any battery the same as a mac, but again most PC users do not know this
3. pc's have battery settings andlid closing options as well, in fact they might be a little better because you can turn the lid close option on or off, so it doesnt ALWAYS have to sleep or shut down like a mac.
4.boot times are about equal, throw in an ssd for any os and theres your "fastest boot time"
5. mac's are loud as hell when you run specific programs. way louder and way hotter than pc's. no question.
I use a mbp everyday, and these are things i noticed that you somehow missed. i came from using pc's and never had a problem, only in my novice days as a beginning user. my point: apple just seems this way to you because you were sucked in by the "dummy proofing" they do with the OS, unlike pc's where theres more options to mess things up and give the user 100% control right out of the box.
I love my MBP, I'm just not a fanboy.
1. Are you not aware that is an advantage? Whether you know what to do or not? The fact that you don't have to worry about it anymore is the point. Mac OS shows it doesn't have to be that way.
2. How? What kind of research do you have to do and what extra things do you have to take care of. Out of the box means out of the box. Again, thats an advantage that you don't have to waste your time managing the battery. And even so its just longer on OSX.
3. Its not instant tho. At least not on any laptop Ive ever seen.
4. Yeah SSD speeds are faster than in booting Win7 with SSD.
5. They are not loud. I never hear mine. At all. And I don't think there exists a laptop that isn't loud when the fans come on. That is normal.
It's a pretty inaccurate and pointless list you're going to have there though.
Was the last laptop you used from around 1997 running an unpatched Window 95?
Some of your top reasons for Mac ownership are because you can force close applications quicker? That's surely scraping the barrel?
If you're suffering from so many hanging applications on OSX or Windows, it'd probably be wise to get to the route of the problem. It certainly doesn't sound like something that "just works".
It's a forum of people who will primarily use Macs, most just down to personal preference. Is a list really necessary?
Was the last laptop you used from around 1997 running an unpatched Window 95?
Some of your top reasons for Mac ownership are because you can force close applications quicker? That's surely scraping the barrel?
If you're suffering from so many hanging applications on OSX or Windows, it'd probably be wise to get to the route of the problem. It certainly doesn't sound like something that "just works".
It's a forum of people who will primarily use Macs, most just down to personal preference. Is a list really necessary?
this should be on a craigslist rant. because thats all it is. and my point is proven by the previous quotes made by bobby. nice video btw.
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and then you grow up and look back realizing your "friends" dont care
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and then you grow up and look back realizing your "friends" dont care
Well which things are inaccurate?
I also want to keep controversial or outdated reasons off the list to make it less and less debatable. Like for example I don't put in the viruses thing because Win 7 and the internet have become more mainstream and secure. I also don't bring up that they are easier to use because then people think they are dummy proof computers for tards. I don't say they are easier I just say they are different and better.
A list is necessary. How would you like to be able to stop any Mac vs PC debate dead in its tracks with one simple paste? Just post that list and top it off with the BMW analogy and it will cut through all the ignorance like a hot knife through butter.
It shows where all the value of the extra premium goes towards and comes out of. It shows you do get what you pay for when all the competition thinks they're so smart and smug thinking its a classic case of price gouging and foolish consumerism, and they think we paid more money for something with crappier specs just so it looks pretty. Or they call it a 2000$ Facebook machine for girls. They think its a waste of money but this list shows that you paid a premium for a variety of very legitimate and significant advantages.
It helps illustrate the significance to those that are ignorant and don't have all the facts. It makes them think twice about what they believe.
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i believe, you think about it too much. mac's os works for you and most people on this forum, but your "list" is annoyingly childish and over compensated. in a "pc vs mac debate" the pros and cons are endless, on both parties. your list has turned into an argument that only you truly believe is one sided. this is how fanboy's are born. apple loves you.
Having read through the lists here I would like to make a few points that I think are crucial for anybody reading this as fact:
1. Most of the items that are listed here are wrong. I suspect that many users are only Mac users and hence post Windows annoyances that are really just user unfamilarity about the OS.
Some examples:
Windows lid closing options
Windows GUI settings
Windows Task Management for tasks that are running amok (this one really got me)
File System issues (trust me, HFS is not the best FS out there)
I'm not saying that everyone here posted information that was wrong but a majority of the complaints against Windows are not accurate.
Having said that, Windows is far from perfect, but neither is Mac. I could write an entire article about each OS's faults. I wish I could combine features from Windows and OS X to make one kick-@ss OS.
Before you write down something like "Windows sucks because it can't do xyz" are you sure you just don't know how to do it? I bet somebody coming from a Windows computer would have a hard time with the OS X culture of handling certain events.
Finally, I also see from time to time when people criticize Windows XP or Vista when talking about Lion (or even SL). That is unfair given the time and technology limits of when each OS was released. I mean XP is over a decade old so comparing it to L, SL or Lion is not even close to a fair comparison.
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1. Most of the items that are listed here are wrong. I suspect that many users are only Mac users and hence post Windows annoyances that are really just user unfamilarity about the OS.
Some examples:
Windows lid closing options
Windows GUI settings
Windows Task Management for tasks that are running amok (this one really got me)
File System issues (trust me, HFS is not the best FS out there)
I'm not saying that everyone here posted information that was wrong but a majority of the complaints against Windows are not accurate.
Having said that, Windows is far from perfect, but neither is Mac. I could write an entire article about each OS's faults. I wish I could combine features from Windows and OS X to make one kick-@ss OS.
Before you write down something like "Windows sucks because it can't do xyz" are you sure you just don't know how to do it? I bet somebody coming from a Windows computer would have a hard time with the OS X culture of handling certain events.
Finally, I also see from time to time when people criticize Windows XP or Vista when talking about Lion (or even SL). That is unfair given the time and technology limits of when each OS was released. I mean XP is over a decade old so comparing it to L, SL or Lion is not even close to a fair comparison.
This post will be modded down in 3...2...1...
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Glad to see more people defending Windows a bit.
I really have no preference over what system I use when I get home now.
Windows 7 or OSX both do what I need, usually with perfect reliability.
Bobby, you really need to get your hands on some quality Windows based laptops. Your comparing Apples (lol) for oranges.
If you're going to have to compare a Macbook to a laptop, look at the higher end Vaios/competitors. You'll find top build quality, decent materials, good screens and great performance.
Aside from the touchpad thing, I really think there isn't that much in it between any Macbook Pro and a similarly priced Windows based machine.
I really have no preference over what system I use when I get home now.
Windows 7 or OSX both do what I need, usually with perfect reliability.
Bobby, you really need to get your hands on some quality Windows based laptops. Your comparing Apples (lol) for oranges.
If you're going to have to compare a Macbook to a laptop, look at the higher end Vaios/competitors. You'll find top build quality, decent materials, good screens and great performance.
Aside from the touchpad thing, I really think there isn't that much in it between any Macbook Pro and a similarly priced Windows based machine.