And it's great bands like this which never see radio air time as it all goes to the Coldplays and MTV types
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What bands do you consider the most unoriginal?
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And it's great bands like this which never see radio air time as it all goes to the Coldplays and MTV types
There is some serious Coldplay bashing going on (although it's completely warranted!). The Verve are miles and away better. Originality is very subjective. I couldand am hopefully going toignite a fierce debate that every band now is merely copying what came before them (eg. The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Rush, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, etc.). True, it may sound different, but just how original, new, and unique is most of the music being recorded today?
I would agree but to me U2 lost it when after Zooropa. Everything since has been drifting farther and farther from the sound that made them what they were. I miss the old U2 from the very early stuff. I still have my Red Rocks ticket stub from 1983 by the way.
I will also say that at least half of the music appearing in the top 100 on iTunes is also unoriginal.
Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco, Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Mayday Parade, Hawthorne Heights and all of the other god awful emo (or whatever the hell you call them) bands that all sound exactly the same.
I don't think Red Jumpsuit Apparatus can be considered "emo." Their first album was pretty good, IMO. I agree with the others you listed; they are homogeneous copies of one another.
I don't know about that. The Beatles had some creative tracks, Oasis don't seem to have that. They're a lot more, um, boring that way. I mean I like both. Definitely Maybe is a superb album, shame the same cant be said about their new stuff
Pop music in general, late 80's onward.
If it is commercial music it is not original in the slightest.
Jonas Brothers fan are not fans of music, they are fans of pop culture.
Didn't mean to pick in JB, just what came to mind.
Oh also. this new "industrial" or "dark wave" BS that's been floating around. They take trance from the late '90s then try and sing like Dave Gohan over it. It's so stupid. Then non of them can actually play anything, so shows end up being them siting in front of you, showing off their mad space bar hitting skills.
If it is commercial music it is not original in the slightest.
Jonas Brothers fan are not fans of music, they are fans of pop culture.
Didn't mean to pick in JB, just what came to mind.
Oh also. this new "industrial" or "dark wave" BS that's been floating around. They take trance from the late '90s then try and sing like Dave Gohan over it. It's so stupid. Then non of them can actually play anything, so shows end up being them siting in front of you, showing off their mad space bar hitting skills.
I guess you haven't heard about Joe Satriani suing Coldplay over copying his song for the song Viva La Vida, then?
Have a listen
Or how about Coldplay taking the melody for this Kraftwerk song? (though it was legal in this case)
Kraftwerk vs. Coldplay
I agree, Coldplay is one original band.
P-Worm
Yah, most likely Chris should settle with Joe. But, if you slowed both the Satriani and the Coldplay way down and subtracted that strumpa-thumpa beat, you could end up wondering if either of those guys swiped their basic theme from some Gary Moore track (say, Nothin's The Same). The problem comes from the narrow melodic range in the beginning of the theme and use of typical harmonic options offered to those close intervals in Western music. In other words there are only so many places your ear will want to go from those beginning tones.
Given a 12 tone scale, standard Western harmony, typical rock beat, and then pick that narrow range of tones in the beginning, right there you have substantially narrowed probabilities for variation of outcomes. Sure, you could make the theme into a requiem mass or a folk ballad, but these guys are rockers and both took it uptempo, so...
So a judge is probably going to have to point to just the (pretty similar!) results if there can be no evidence brought on past exposure or intent to copy, etc. A graceful thing for Coldplay to do is give a writing credit and pay out some reasonable amount of dough and then everyone get past this flap and keep moving.
It has been said of Antonio Vivaldi by some that he wrote the same concerto grosso five hundred times. Close enough to sound like a copy does happen. It doesn't have to be intentional. Look at Snow Patrol. That band is becoming unoriginal just from copying themselves so many times they're close to running out of toner in the copy-machine, no? Despite now claiming they've arrived at somewhere new everytime they put out another CD.
And since I've now managed to put Coldplay and Snow Patrol in the same post, I'll close by saying that the worst idea anyone in either band has ever had is for SP to open for Coldplay on tour. Whaaaaaaat a terrible idea. They should never even meet on the street, if you ask me. Snow Patrol should take a break for about three years, get some fresh air in Portugal or the Bahamas or someplace lighthearted for a change. Anyway it would be much more interesting to have Joe Satriani open for Coldplay this summer....
I'll probably get flamed for this, but: Velvet Revolver. No matter how many times I try to listen to them, they just sound like the same recycled rock music that's been a mainstay since the late 80s.
Yes, all the pop stuff. Whatever that crap is that my wife has playing in the car...
Yes, all the pop stuff. Whatever that crap is that my wife has playing in the car...
man i dunno. when blink became mainstream all those years ago in like 1998 with the pop punk, they were the 1st of their kind- their sound has been copied and such but blink style is blink. love them or hate them, they were some of the 1st on the pop punk front.
Agreed.
I have never heard original music in my life.
Looking at my music, the only thing that may be original is Buck 65, the "Tom Waits of rap". Saying that, there is no real musical element in there that's original. It's just the pairing of the raspy country vocals rapping lyrics that sound like they should be in a folk song that makes it so different from anything else.
Go to the iTunes store and listen to Buck 65> Talkin' Honky Blues > Riverbed Part 5
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?i=30949539&id=30949088&s=143455
Oh that goes without saying. Something as manufactured as that doesn't have the potential to be original.
Adding Take That to my list. I can't stand boybands (or manbands hurhur) but they have a really good new sound... Ripped straight from ELO. But as a fan of ELO I quite like it. I'll never publicly admit it mind
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Agreed. Blink has a pretty distinctive blend of humor and pop punk. They definitely stand out from the crowd, and their first couple albums (Cheshire Cat and Dude Ranch) were pretty good. The most similar to their style I would say would be New Found Glory, but they don't come anywhere close musically.
Precisely. People want to make money - regardless of the point you're making, music nowadays is not as creative as it once was. You can blame whoever you want, but the creativity's just about gone.
The Jonas Bros sound manufactured because they are manufactured. They are a product of Disney, targeted at the pre-teen/mid-teen girl market. Same thing with Miley. The fact that they're a band doesn't change the fact they are still just a branded, advertised, marketed, promoted product of a big sleazy corporation.
Lee - I stand corrected. I get Maroon 5 confused with that group that had a minor hit a year or so ago - I know that's vague, but there it is. I can't think of the band name atm.
c row in re Kravitz: So it's not just me! I Like the Rain had a cool sound, but I think he's waaaay overrated. How Bizarre.
cloneplay (or is that coldplay)
actually can I just get the play list for most top 40 stations?
U2 now... used to be original when they started.
No. It's no more ridiculous than believing that any of the bands mentioned so far are "original". Musically speaking, they're not. What's the real difference between Blink 182, Coldplay, and Kings of Convenience? Not as much as you'd think, and yet someone said Blink 182 is/was original.
However, it really depends on what you mean when you refer to a band as "unoriginal", which is why I said Buck 65 may be seen as original, depending on how you interpret the question. It's what Leonard Cohen would sound like if he rapped and had throat cancer.
I can't think of many bands or music groups around today that try to sound like nobody else. However, musically speaking, he's not much different. Only his style is. It's all pop music.Actually, I agree with him. Indie rock can sound very alike. "Indie rock" used to refer to rock bands that were signed to independent record labels. By that definition, even the Jonas Brothers could technically become indie rock if Subpop had a temporary mental breakdown and told them "Ah, why the **** not. I'll sign ya to a contract. Besides, their mum is hot." Signing to an independent label should not be an indication of the style of music to expect from them. But that's really not the case. To most people, it just doesn't "sound" like indie rock, their fans don't dress like indie kids, and.....uh......something to do with the radio play they get.
Unfortunately, the term stopped having any meaning when people started associating a particular "sound", and style of dress, to indie rock/music. That's when you know that the term "indie rock/music" is now just a convenient way to label an overall style.
Since the term "indie" does carry certain connotations in terms of style and sound, then it's probably true that Indie Rock sounds similar in many ways, just like mainstream rock sounds similar in many ways. They sound different from each other, though.