What can you do in Final Cut Pro that you can't do in Adobe Premere CS4?

[bigbossbmb]

The bottom of the heap:

Adobe Premiere Pro: Has poor rendering times, Very bad codecs and asset management stinks. Color correction is not good.

You're definitely wrong about CC capabilities of Adobe Production Suite since you send the sequence to AE and CC your timeline there.

I'm a FCP guy, although I'm on Avid all day at work. I don't know about PPro CS4's AVCHD handling. If it ingests, then CS4 would be plenty for a video blogger looking to move up from iMovie.

 

[tri3limited]

The software is technically very very similar. Final Cut has been around in it's current stable (enough) state for 3 years while Premiere has been through the mill a little bit since moving from 6.5 to Pro to CS... In it's current state I think I can happily say it is on a par with FCP (Although with an FCS3 due who knows).

Native EX is to become quite a selling point for Premiere over FCP at the moment unless FCP enters into this soon.

Smoke is nice software but Media Composer currently still dominates the Broadcast and Film markets. Final Cut is extremely popular in the corporate markets due to it's price, although the recent Avid price drop could start to open that up again.

Ultimately it's the skill and knowledge of the editor that makes up for a lot of it. I'm pretty sure if you sat me down in front of a new package, with similar features, and gave me half an hour to fiddle around with it I could easily produce something of a similar quality to a package I know well. It's just a different workflow to achieve the same goal.

I see no real reason why grading, compositing, animation, motion graphics, sound construction etc. should be done within the edit application if the other tools are available to use (assuming Studio or ProdPrem is purchased).

Codec-wise it's definitely worth checking out http://www.onerivermedia.com/codecs/ for some great codec comparison. I highly recommend giving it a browse if you're an enthusiast or even a pro. (I realise the site is a little on the old side!!)

Personally I'll edit with what ever I'm given, but through choice I'd pick the Studio suite... Why? I'm most used to it's workflow!

 

[DaReal_Dionysus]

You're definitely wrong about CC capabilities of Adobe Production Suite since you send the sequence to AE and CC your timeline there.

Are you telling me that PPro w/AE is better That FCS w/ Color for CC. If so prove it please. I believe you will have a hard time doing this.

 

[Willis]

Heres my 2 pence

At college, we used to edit on PM G4's with Avid. I felt it was a good piece of software but a little limited once you put your clip onto the timeline. We then replaced these with Dell's running Premiere Pro. Can't stand it. Long story short, it gave me a massive headache. (It made some of my 16:9 shots into 4:3 even though I filmed in 16:9. Stretching them wasn't fun)

At home I use FCP2 and that is what the university I'm going to will be using too with their new media facility. I prefer to use FCP in all cases but, I will concede that Avid is a great editing environment.

Now, in response to your original post, I would agree with others and suggest you try FCE as it's cheaper and has the same editing functionality of FCP. The features you miss from the Pro you'll probably never come to use as a blogger.

 

[UltraNEO*]

Hello Everyone, I'm getting into video blogging and I've come to the conclusion that I need to move away from imovie. I'm going to be using a camera with avchd encoding. Is there anything I can do in Final Cut Pro that I can't do in Adobe Premere CS4? Other than the price difference, what are the strengths of each?

The main difference is FCP is Mac only!
Where as Adobe Premiere/Pro is compatible with both users of Mac and PC.

Though.. Once upon a time FCP users used to struggle with AVCHD file formats, where as PPro could import them on the fly without them being converted to QT

 

[LethalWolfe]

Are you telling me that PPro w/AE is better That FCS w/ Color for CC. If so prove it please. I believe you will have a hard time doing this.

Why are you putting words in other people's mouths? bigbossbmb didn't say CS4 was better than FCS2 for grading. He said he thought it was better than 'not good' which is your opinion of it. Stu Maschwitz thinks highly of AE's ability to CC and given his credits, track record and expertise that's good enough for me.

An interesting experiment IMO would be to take someone well versed w/grading in both suites and see how long it would take to roundtrip from PPro to AE for CC then back to PPro vs taking the same edit and round tripping from FCP to Color. I think the actual color correction process would go faster in Color because the app is dedicated to that one task, but there are a lot of problems round tripping to/from Color so that slows the overall process down.


Lethal

 

[DaReal_Dionysus]

I was not trying to put words in anyones mouth, I was simply trying to understand his point and have him expand on his answer. He sounds like an experienced person and I want to also understand if he knows something I don't. We all can learn from experience as I'm not perfect and don't know everything. Maybe he knows something I don't.

 

[djkirsten]

Hello Everyone, I'm getting into video blogging and I've come to the conclusion that I need to move away from imovie. I'm going to be using a camera with avchd encoding. Is there anything I can do in Final Cut Pro that I can't do in Adobe Premere CS4? Other than the price difference, what are the strengths of each?

Back to the OP...

PPro would be helpful for you since your workflow includes AVCHD. Premier can read the AVCHD files with NO transcoding. iMovie and FCP both want to convert the files to a very large AIC or ProRes file. If you sign up for a free account, adobe will let you download a 30-day trial.

But if you feel like you want to "get into production" and you want to be better equipped, give FCP (or FCE) a shot so that you can begin learning the ins and outs.

Having to do with the FCS vs CS4 (vs Avid) battle going on here... I'd say it all depends on the workflow of the post house/client... and then the preference of the editor matters last. At my current workplace, FCS works perfect for the specific tapeless workflow. The previous post house I worked for used mostly Avid Media Composers, and some high end Adrenaline-Nitrus systems for finishing....that worked perfect for them. And yet another post house had Avids, FCPs, a bunch of quantel systems, and even a discreet editbox....they were the least organized but they had a good name for themselves.

Moral of the story... to each his/her own. Use what works for what you need.

 

[bigbossbmb]

Following Stu Maschwitz's advice from the DV Rebels Guide, I used AE to color correct shorts before Color was added to FCS. It is highly capable. The only reason I use Color now is its integration with FCP.

wow, if PPro edits AVCHD natively then that is really the way to go for the OP.

 

[Chris7]

Following Stu Maschwitz's advice from the DV Rebels Guide, I used AE to color correct shorts before Color was added to FCS. It is highly capable. The only reason I use Color now is its integration with FCP...

Wow. I didn't know AE was so good with color correction/color grading. All I had heard is that the native CC in PPro was not on par with the native CC in FCP. Is this accurate?

 

[DoNoHarm]

Back to the OP...

PPro would be helpful for you since your workflow includes AVCHD. Premier can read the AVCHD files with NO transcoding. iMovie and FCP both want to convert the files to a very large AIC or ProRes file. If you sign up for a free account, adobe will let you download a 30-day trial.

But if you feel like you want to "get into production" and you want to be better equipped, give FCP (or FCE) a shot so that you can begin learning the ins and outs.

Having to do with the FCS vs CS4 (vs Avid) battle going on here... I'd say it all depends on the workflow of the post house/client... and then the preference of the editor matters last. At my current workplace, FCS works perfect for the specific tapeless workflow. The previous post house I worked for used mostly Avid Media Composers, and some high end Adrenaline-Nitrus systems for finishing....that worked perfect for them. And yet another post house had Avids, FCPs, a bunch of quantel systems, and even a discreet editbox....they were the least organized but they had a good name for themselves.

Moral of the story... to each his/her own. Use what works for what you need.

I definitely think I'll try that free trial. One thing leaning me in the direction of FCS was the great tutorials and training Apple offers. Are there simliar resources from Adobe? Also does anyone know if FC has a trial?

Oh yeah, and are the tutorials for ppro for the mac or pc version? Is the layout the same for both platforms?

 

[Willis]

No trial for FC im afraid

 

[bigbossbmb]

Wow. I didn't know AE was so good with color correction/color grading. All I had heard is that the native CC in PPro was not on par with the native CC in FCP. Is this accurate?

I haven't used PPro's CC, but I really don't like FCP's CC capabilities. Color or After Effects is the way to go.

 

[Chris7]

I haven't used PPro's CC, but I really don't like FCP's CC capabilities. Color or After Effects is the way to go.

Thanks.

...One thing leaning me in the direction of FCS was the great tutorials and training Apple offers. Are there simliar resources from Adobe?...

There appears to be more tutorials available for FCP than PPro.

PPro:

http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Premier...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242684521&sr=8-1

http://www.lynda.com/home/ViewCourses.aspx?lpk0=60

FCP:

http://www.lynda.com/home/ViewCourses.aspx?lpk0=346

http://www.lynda.com/home/DisplayCourse.aspx?lpk2=298

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Pro-Tra...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242685077&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Pro-Tra...=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242685103&sr=1-2

 

[DoNoHarm]

Are there any video editing programs for Ubuntu

Is there a third option here - one for Ubuntu - that is free?

 

[r.j.s]

Is there a third option here - one for Ubuntu - that is free?

http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php

 

[EmperorDarius]

Is there a third option here - one for Ubuntu - that is free?

None that is at their level.