What FaceID naysayers don't understand

[vannibombonato]

Despite the generally overwhelmingly positive reaction to FaceID, there are still plenty of whiners complaining about Apple worsening the user experience by "removing" the TouchID feature.

The thing is simple: the comparison between FaceID and TouchID is meaningless. The comparison is between FaceID and TouchID on the back. There isn't a bezel-free device with TouchID on the screen. It does not exist.

So what is better in a bezel-free device: FaceID or Touch ID on the back? we all know the answer.

And if you think front TouchID is better than FaceID, Apple has not removed the feature: it's right there in the iPhone 8.
If you want a bezel-free device with front TouchID, well, that does not exist, you might as well complain with General Motors because you can't buy a self driving flying car.

When and if a front, bezel-free TouchID device enters the market the convenience comparison with FaceID will make sense: but i guess the battle will be with FaceID version 2 or version 3.

Until that moment, any whining on Apple "removing" touchId from the Iphone X makes no sense.

 

[44267547]

It's not just about those who disapprove of Apple removing touch ID for Face ID, it's also they don't like the look of the notch as well. But even so, the iPhone 8 will see support for touch ID for at least 4 to 5 years.

 

[QueenTyrone]

I see more people whining about whiners over actual whiners

 

[Shirasaki]

Bruh.
The debate IS about Face ID and Touch ID, as we all hate Touch ID being at the back. But whatever. The thing is, Face ID, comparing to Touch ID, is easier to be rendered useless by just dropping the device from a certain height. Also, despite the Face ID being touted as faster and less prone to error, it’s unlock speed will be no match against Touch ID because Apple forces everyone to watch their animation before doing anything else, even a splash screen showing “Face ID”, which does not exist while unlocking win Touch ID.
Not to mention the greater risk of face scanning data being sent to somewhere else.

 

[DNichter]

I love the attention aware stuff

 

[Hater]

I want FaceID on the back.

 

[eoblaed]

Bruh.
The debate IS about Face ID and Touch ID, as we all hate Touch ID being at the back. But whatever. The thing is, Face ID, comparing to Touch ID, is easier to be rendered useless by just dropping the device from a certain height. Also, despite the Face ID being touted as faster and less prone to error, it’s unlock speed will be no match against Touch ID because Apple forces everyone to watch their animation before doing anything else, even a splash screen showing “Face ID”, which does not exist while unlocking win Touch ID.
Not to mention the greater risk of face scanning data being sent to somewhere else.

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Not true. You can swipe as soon as the screen lights up, before the unlock animation happens. The instant the phone has actually unlocked the device (which is before the animation plays), the swipe up will happen.

Once people get past the instinct to watch the unlock animation happen before they swipe, they'll realize the unlock is actually quite fast.

 

[Mick_ag]

I want FaceID on the back.

A**ID?

 

[vannibombonato]

Bruh.
The debate IS about Face ID and Touch ID, as we all hate Touch ID being at the back. But whatever. The thing is, Face ID, comparing to Touch ID, is easier to be rendered useless by just dropping the device from a certain height. Also, despite the Face ID being touted as faster and less prone to error, it’s unlock speed will be no match against Touch ID because Apple forces everyone to watch their animation before doing anything else, even a splash screen showing “Face ID”, which does not exist while unlocking win Touch ID.
Not to mention the greater risk of face scanning data being sent to somewhere else.

I don't think you get the point, there is nothing to debate about. There is no alternative.

You might as well "debate" FaceID vs "ThinkID", a non existent better-than-FaceID technology able to telepathically understand whether you want to unlock or not.

 

[Lobwedgephil]

Bruh.
The debate IS about Face ID and Touch ID, as we all hate Touch ID being at the back. But whatever. The thing is, Face ID, comparing to Touch ID, is easier to be rendered useless by just dropping the device from a certain height. Also, despite the Face ID being touted as faster and less prone to error, it’s unlock speed will be no match against Touch ID because Apple forces everyone to watch their animation before doing anything else, even a splash screen showing “Face ID”, which does not exist while unlocking win Touch ID.
Not to mention the greater risk of face scanning data being sent to somewhere else.

Why would there be a greater risk of date being sent somewhere else, never happened with Touch ID and Face ID is using the same secure enclave?

 

[BBD90]

Face ID has been working better for me compared to Touch ID, for some reason the accuracy of Touch ID would deteriorate over time.

 

[Cmd-Z]

...it’s unlock speed will be no match against Touch ID because Apple forces everyone to watch their animation before doing anything else, even a splash screen showing “Face ID”, which does not exist while unlocking win Touch ID.

Apparently you have not had any significant usage with Face ID, because that's not the case at all. When I pick it up, my phone is unlocked by the time my thumb reaches the bottom of the screen for swiping up. I had zero fails all weekend, and believe me Face ID got a workout the number of times I was checking things out.

Now, Touch ID can be faster in the sense that with the right grip you can get the phone out of your pocket with your finger properly planted on the Home button and it would be unlocked by the time the phone is up and in view, but I don't need to play "Quick-Draw McGraw" with my iPhone.

 

[legioxi]

Why would there be a greater risk of date being sent somewhere else, never happened with Touch ID and Face ID is using the same secure enclave?

I assume his argument is more about the TrueDepth camera system than Face ID itself. There are new APIs to get information about the face/attention of the user now. While Face ID itself stores data securely, the TrueDepth camera system does allow apps to gather some detailed info.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/04/a...abilities-and-risks-of-iphone-x-face-mapping/
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Apparently you have not had any significant usage with Face ID, because that's not the case at all. When I pick it up, my phone is unlocked by the time my thumb reaches the bottom of the screen for swiping up. I had zero fails all weekend, and believe me Face ID got a workout the number of times I was checking things out.

Now, Touch ID can be faster in the sense that with the right grip you can get the phone out of your pocket with your finger properly planted on the Home button and it would be unlocked by the time the phone is up and in view, but I don't need to play "Quick-Draw McGraw" with my iPhone.

Each person will have a different experience, with that in mind I can only say how it works for me.

I have used it and it isn't anywhere as smooth or good as the TouchID was for me. Half the time it doesn't unlock on the first try and I have to put it to sleep and wake it up to try again. Another quarter of the time it is very slow. The last quarter it works well.

TouchID was flawless for me after the second gen was released. The first one wasn't as good as the second but it wasn't as bad as FaceID has been for me so far.

I'm not frustrated enough to return the phone, I do like the phone. I'm just not happy with FaceID. I'm expecting that a second gen FaceID will be released in a year or two that improves the issues I'm having.

 

[Cmd-Z]

I'm just not happy with FaceID. I'm expecting that a second gen FaceID will be released in a year or two that improves the issues I'm having.

Interesting. Have you tried re-doing your Face ID registration?

Also, I imagine that if you register your face under less-than-ideal conditions (e.g. bright outdoor light) you may introduce noise into the "calibration". Sure, Face ID needs to work under those conditions, but the calibration probably should be done under the best possible conditions, and it may take a few tries to get it optimized.

 

[mrex]

If you want a bezel-free device with front TouchID, well, that does not exist, you might as well complain with General Motors because you can't buy a self driving flying car.

There is no bezel-free iphones either, but there is fugly notched iphone out there lurking behind curtains and waiting the hump to be released also for iphone ex. And i hope x stands for ”iphone ex”...

Until that moment, any whining on Apple "removing" touchId from the Iphone X makes no sense.

Makes more sense than the fuggly notch.

 

[DDustiNN]

(highlight mine)

Not true. You can swipe as soon as the screen lights up, before the unlock animation happens. The instant the phone has actually unlocked the device (which is before the animation plays), the swipe up will happen.

Once people get past the instinct to watch the unlock animation happen before they swipe, they'll realize the unlock is actually quite fast.

I think he may be talking about this animation, which you have to watch if you swipe up before FaceID finishes:

 

[eoblaed]

I think he may be talking about this animation, which you have to watch if you swipe up before FaceID finishes:

If I have time later today, I'll video what I'm talking about.

There is literally zero animation other than the lock screen sliding up out of the way. No spinning anything, no padlock, nothing.

 

[PanAm-L1011]

If I have time later today, I'll video what I'm talking about.

There is literally zero animation other than the lock screen sliding up out of the way. No spinning anything, no padlock, nothing.

I'm with you. I never watch that animation. Only when I've tested it in complete darkness or I'm showing someone. As soon as I grab my phone an put it into the viewing position, I swipe up and I'm in. Once in a while, I'll see that animation, but a overwhelming majority of the time it just opens. In my opinion, it's WAY better than Touch ID. That failed much more than Face ID, although it was still really good and worked most of the time. I love Face ID. I can't wait until it comes to the iPad.

 

[Fredo C]

Apple execs have said that they decided on Face ID early on and didn’t even explore touch ID embedded in the screen.

They deliberately went in this direction because they thought it was better. I would love someone to do touch ID in the screen so we can compare. I can’t see how Face ID would be better.

 

[KittyKatta]

FaceID is Amazing
ToichID is Awesome
FaceID + TouchID = Amazingly Awesome

The problem isn’t with either tech. The problem is that awesome tech was removed and left the product a few yards short of perfection.

 

[PanAm-L1011]

There is no bezel-free iphones either, but there is fugly notched iphone out there lurking behind curtains and waiting the hump to be released also for iphone ex. And i hope x stands for ”iphone ex”...




Makes more sense than the fuggly notch.

To each his own. I thought that notch was atrocious when the X was announced. So much so, that I got the 8. I was with a friend who had the X Friday night and my repulsion of the notch went away because the phone is so freaking cool. I had to have it. Love it, I don't really even notice the notch because I have wallpaper that blends it in, and when I'm reading a web page or Facebook, I'm looking at the middle of the screen vs the very top.

The notch is here to stay. Would I prefer it without, of course. But, at least right now, that's not possible.

I also doubt we are going to see the future of the 8 and the Plus based on today's models. It will likely be the X and X Plus, or X Pro next year, or something. The X is going to make the 8 and 8 Plus model designs irrelevant.

 

[eoblaed]

FaceID is Amazing
ToichID is Awesome
FaceID + TouchID = Amazingly Awesome

The problem isn’t with either tech. The problem is that awesome tech was removed and left the product a few yards short of perfection.

The inclusion of TouchID in a reasonable way (ie. not the back of the device) necessarily requires devoting a lot of real estate to that button. By removing it, Apple was able to reclaim the whole lower portion of the screen. It's as simple as "if it were still there, it would be better", because keeping it there means we wouldn't have the amazing screen experience we have today.

 

[PanAm-L1011]

FaceID is Amazing
ToichID is Awesome
FaceID + TouchID = Amazingly Awesome

The problem isn’t with either tech. The problem is that awesome tech was removed and left the product a few yards short of perfection.

It improved the technology. Face ID is better than Touch ID (however awesome that was).

 

[mattopotamus]

It is the best feature of the new phone. Being able to jump right into lock screen notifications is a delight. I was always annoyed with having to use touchID just to respond to a message.

 

[PanAm-L1011]

Apple execs have said that they decided on Face ID early on and didn’t even explore touch ID embedded in the screen.

They deliberately went in this direction because they thought it was better. I would love someone to do touch ID in the screen so we can compare. I can’t see how Face ID would be better.

And they are right. They are more qualified than any of us on here. Face ID is easier and better. No more annoyingness waiting for Touch ID to work, however infrequent that happened.