What feature on Windows you wish is on Lion?

[Gomff]

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It's the "Duplicate" option in your screenshot. That's it. That's what it is now. If you don't like it, ask your vendor to make versions support optional and restore "Save As". Lion doesn't force use of versions nor remove the "Save As" option.

No it isn't.

Duplicate creates a duplicate of the current file that is open....It doesn't save anything. If you want to do the equivalent of save as, you need to duplicate your document and then save it. This leaves you with two documents open and an extra step compared to save as which is just one step and doesn't leave you with two documents open.

It's a blatantly more clumsy system that adds unnecessary steps and arguing that it's better is clearly absurd.

If Microsoft had done this, people on this forum would be extremely vocal about it, but because it's Apple, it's "Better". How ridiculous.

 

[0000757]

(1) As far as "features", let's not go there. OS X Snow Leopard and Lion have more features than Windows 7. In fact the most "missed" feature in regards to this thread is the only feature I ever read about most places on the web and that's the Aero Snap. Talk to me when Windows has Stacks, Spaces and whether you like Mission Control or not, it's quite a useful feature that's not found in Windows. Windows Flip 3D is useful......to Microsoft.

HomeGroups.
Aero Peek.
Aero Shake.
DirectX 3D 11.
Multi-Touch (Trackpad does not count!)
Better Format support.
Device Stage.

That's just naming a few. Face it, while Mac OS X is a GREAT operating system, it's not the best, and Windows 7 has some big advantages over it, but they're both great OSes overall.

 

[maflynn]

That's just naming a few. Face it, while Mac OS X is a GREAT operating system, it's not the best, and Windows 7 has some big advantages over it, but they're both great OSes overall.

Yeah - MS did hit it out of the park with win7, but they needed to given the dog called Vista. Windows 7 did indeed offer more upfront features over Snow Leopard. Apple caught up a bit on some of the up front features provided in Lion but there are features like Aero Peek that are just plain cool and useful.

 

[MiamiC70]

Auto eject for USB drives.
I mean seriously WTF do I have to constantly and manually eject my drives every time I unplug my MacBook Air.

 

[KnightWRX]

No it isn't.

Duplicate creates a duplicate of the current file that is open....It doesn't save anything. If you want to do the equivalent of save as, you need to duplicate your document and then save it. This leaves you with two documents open and an extra step compared to save as which is just one step and doesn't leave you with two documents open.

It's a blatantly more clumsy system that adds unnecessary steps and arguing that it's better is clearly absurd.

If Microsoft had done this, people on this forum would be extremely vocal about it, but because it's Apple, it's "Better". How ridiculous.

But again, Apple didn't do this. Apple provided an API called versions. You can implement it without removing "Save As". Apple provided an option, don't blame them if the vendors are removing your precious 1 step Save As for a 2 Step Duplicate/Save.

If Microsoft had done this, I wouldn't care. I hate Microsoft enough for political/philosophical reasons that I don't follow their stuff.

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Auto eject for USB drives.
I mean seriously WTF do I have to constantly and manually eject my drives every time I unplug my MacBook Air.

How is the system supposed to guess when you're going to unplug your Air ?

The reason why you need to eject is file system is asynchronously writing the data on the device and it requires that all writes be flushed to the storage before removing it.

The solution is of course synchronous writes, but if you've ever copied data to a floppy in Windows 95/Mac OS Classic/DOS, you know why that isn't what you want.

 

[arkitect]

But again, Apple didn't do this.

Of course Apple did.

Preview, Pages, Numbers, Keynote… all the Apple applications have dropped Save As and implemented Duplicate.

So yes. Apple is responsible for this new inconvenient two-step.

**** me if I know why they did.

 

[theSeb]

Of course Apple did.

Preview, Pages, Numbers, Keynote… all the Apple applications have dropped Save As and implemented Duplicate.

So yes. Apple is responsible for this new inconvenient two-step.

**** me if I know why they did.

Because apparently concepts such as Save As and file management are too difficult for OSX users and hence why Apple is trying to abstract this. I don't agree with it, but perhaps they have a point when I read some of the questions in the hardware forums and cry inside.

 

[Molecule]

The Zune Software.

 

[haravikk]

Didn't see it listed (so sorry if I missed it) but here's the really big one… graphics card drivers! I absolutely hate that we're largely at the whims of Apple when it comes to optimising graphics cards, and that those in even slightly older Macs are essentially forgotten very quickly.

I can't understand why there isn't yet a cross-platform standard for device drivers, as they're the number one pain when it comes to all things computer-related! At the very least we should be able to easily use Linux drivers for these things.

In particular, I have the Early 2008 Mac Pro with NVidia GeForce 8800 GT, and under Mac OS X it's decent but not great, while under Windows I can get so much more out of it by just installing the latest official drivers (haven't tried open-source or tuned drivers).

 

[Gomff]

But again, Apple didn't do this. Apple provided an API called versions. You can implement it without removing "Save As". Apple provided an option, don't blame them if the vendors are removing your precious 1 step Save As for a 2 Step Duplicate/Save.

If Microsoft had done this, I wouldn't care. I hate Microsoft enough for political/philosophical reasons that I don't follow their stuff.

OK, thanks for your answer, now this discussion has gone from daft to outright ridiculous.

You can't wriggle out of this one.....Firstly you said duplicate is the same as save as which it blatantly isn't. Then, you say it's not Apple's fault when it was Apple who implemented versions. Who's fault is it then?

It's telling that you say that you "hate Microsoft", and it's clear now that your emotional commitment to Apple is clouding your judgement. It's exactly this kind of myopia that gives Apple devotees a bad name.

If something is badly done, it's badly done....Doesn't matter who did it.

 

[tkermit]

Auto eject for USB drives.
I mean seriously WTF do I have to constantly and manually eject my drives every time I unplug my MacBook Air.

You could use SleepWatcher and then write a shell script that tries to eject all external drives whenever your Mac goes to sleep.

 

[KnightWRX]

OK, thanks for your answer, now this discussion has gone from daft to outright ridiculous.

It did so 6 months ago. Moving on seems a hard concept for some of you.

You can't wriggle out of this one.....Firstly you said duplicate is the same as save as which it blatantly isn't.

I'm not wriggling out of anything. Duplicate is Save As. It's the same destination, it just uses a different road to get there. In the end, you're left with 2 documents, just like Save As does. That it took 1 extra step doesn't change that the result is the same.

You're thinking of the way to get there, I'm thinking of result.

Then, you say it's not Apple's fault when it was Apple who implemented versions. Who's fault is it then?

Your software implementor. Apple put out an API, your software implementor used it. Why they removed the "Save As" option when using this new API ? That question is something only they can answer.

Yes, Apple is included in those software vendors for their own shrink wrapped offering. No one is forced to do versions and no one is forced to remove "Save As", there is no code in Lion that prevents these options. Versions is purely optional.

It's telling that you say that you "hate Microsoft", and it's clear now that your emotional commitment to Apple is clouding your judgement. It's exactly this kind of myopia that gives Apple devotees a bad name.

Are you calling me an Apple fanboy ? I gotta save your post for all the times I'm called an Apple hater. Now I can point those people over to Gomff and tell them "See, I'm not a hater, Gomff thinks I'm a fanboy".

Do we really need to polarize this ? I hate Microsoft, it doesn't mean I dearly love Apple and all things Apple. I just don't see it the way you do when it comes to things like Versions and Mission Control. I still loath Launchpad, but frankly, it's completely out of the way so it doesn't me. My scrollbars are set to "always show", my mouse/trackpad scrolling is set to the old behavior because "natural" feels anything but, etc.. etc..

In other words, I took Lion, I use the good features and I reverted the bad ones. I can also recognize the difference between Apple making an API available and Apple forcing something on software implementors.

Maybe it's you who has some kind of emotional vendetta ? Whatever it is, don't project your emotional attachment to electronics unto me.

If something is badly done, it's badly done....Doesn't matter who did it.

Never said otherwise. The point where we don't agree is the "badly done" part.

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You could use SleepWatcher and then write a shell script that tries to eject all external drives whenever your Mac goes to sleep.

He said unplug, not sleep.

 

[Joos24]

Aero Peek.

I'll give you that one. Probably the only real useful feature since that's the main one people are shaking pom poms at here.

Aero Shake.

LOL, I'm surprised you wrote that one with a straight face. Useless feature. Surprised that people would bark at Mission Control when Windows has something far worse and completely stupid. I beg to differ that hardly anyone is shaking windows on their screen to get to the desktop. That's a super dumb feature in Windows 7 and it's more ridiculous than Windows Flip 3D.

DirectX 3D 11.

One could argue that Open CL offers better, depends on the user and the applications in question so that's subjective.

Multi-Touch (Trackpad does not count!)

Sorry but Multi-touch what?? If you're referring to those touchscreen PC's that are overstocked and undersold then that's quite a loser "feature". And why doesn't Multitouch Trackpad count? Are you trying to work the argument so Windows 7 wins and Lion loses? Sorry but Multi-touch trackpad in Snow Leopard and Lion are quite celebrated and no other company offers such a complete touch trackpad yet. Probably because Windows 7 doesn't support it. I'm sure you can enjoy some multitouch trackpad features when you navigate through that awesome Metro UI in the upcoming W8.

Better Format support.

???? I have no idea what you're talking about. Please elaborate.

HomeGroups.

Oh that complicated set up for most users? Uh...no.

Device Stage.

Again, you're posting another lesser known feature. I could call out a number of things in OS X you may have never heard of. If you're going to post a lesser known feature at least post what it does.

That's just naming a few. Face it, while Mac OS X is a GREAT operating system, it's not the best, and Windows 7 has some big advantages over it, but they're both great OSes overall.

There's nothing I need to face, I'm perfectly happy with Mac OS X Lion and I don't need or want Windows. Sorry but until Windows has SPACES, STACKS and a way to manage windows such as Mission Control I don't see any real productivity innovations. It's YOU and some others here that need to face reality, if Windows offers so much for you then a Mac isn't for you. You should be running a Windows system PC full time. Is there some reason why you have a Mac? If you don't have a Mac then is there some reason you're on this forum?

 

[tug]

i really miss the awesome slowness of vista.

you could have a shower, watch a film, eat lunch, wash up, then casually sit down to work and its loaded.

excellent!!!!!

 

[tkermit]

He said unplug, not sleep.

I know. But maybe he's like me, and his external drives are connected mainly when he's using the laptop with an external display and the lid closed. It would be very natural then to send the laptop to sleep before disconnecting it from all external devices. That's how I've been doing it for a long time anyway.

 

[roadbloc]

The lack of Save As also bugs me. That duplicate jobby is stupid.

 

[KnightWRX]

I know. But maybe he's like me, and his external drives are connected mainly when he's using the laptop with an external display and the lid closed. It would be very natural then to send the laptop to sleep before disconnecting it from all external devices. That's how I've been doing it for a long time anyway.

Sleep already flushes all pending system writes. So really there's no use in running a script there, just unplug your drives as you see fit after the computer is asleep.

 

[tkermit]

there's no use in running a script there

Gets rid of the warning message at least, when returning from sleep.

 

[Joos24]

Gets rid of the warning message at least, when returning from sleep.

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Actually that's a very good feature (understandably annoying as well) in OS X. That's one of the things retarded about Windows 7. Just because you can pull a device out of the USB port (in Windows 7) without ejecting it doesn't mean that nothing can or will happen. Windows 7 should have a message box like this telling the user they need to eject or they could possibly lose data.

If you do actually choose to eject a drive in Windows 7 a small message pops up saying "Safe to remove hardware". Funny it tells you that after you've done it right but says nothing when you do it wrong, leaving the customer at risk.

 

[steve knight]

Actually that's a very good feature (understandably annoying as well) in OS X. That's one of the things retarded about Windows 7. Just because you can pull a device out of the USB port (in Windows 7) without ejecting it doesn't mean that nothing can or will happen. Windows 7 should have a message box like this telling the user they need to eject or they could possibly lose data.

If you do actually choose to eject a drive in Windows 7 a small message pops up saying "Safe to remove hardware". Funny it tells you that after you've done it right but says nothing when you do it wrong, leaving the customer at risk.

having to eject is annoying sometimes too. if the usb drive has been sitting there for 2 days having to eject it is an annoyance. You used to have to eject ipods and phones that was a real pain.

 

[KnightWRX]

having to eject is annoying sometimes too. if the usb drive has been sitting there for 2 days having to eject it is an annoyance. You used to have to eject ipods and phones that was a real pain.

You have to eject on every OS. It's just the nature of the beast for hot swappable storage devices. The system can't guess when you're going to pull the filesystem out from under it and thus needs to clean up properly.

That, or just "risk" the data loss and pull on the device anyhow.

 

[Gomff]

It did so 6 months ago. Moving on seems a hard concept for some of you.

I'm not wriggling out of anything. Duplicate is Save As. It's the same destination, it just uses a different road to get there. In the end, you're left with 2 documents, just like Save As does. That it took 1 extra step doesn't change that the result is the same.

Duplicate is Not the same as "Save As". Here's why. Open a file in an application that uses versions. Press Duplicate. Did it save anything?. In order to save something you need to chose another menu option that isn't duplicate. Therefore, Duplicate isn't "Save As". It is a part of a process that (badly) approximates a simpler methodology that Save As achieved. Seriously, I'm embarrassed at the state of denial you seem to be in on this. Like someone swearing black is white.

Yes, Apple is included in those software vendors for their own shrink wrapped offering. No one is forced to do versions and no one is forced to remove "Save As", there is no code in Lion that prevents these options. Versions is purely optional.

I'm glad you're at least acknowledging that Apple implemented the API and they use it themselves exclusively without giving the user an option to use Save As.......Because That was the feature I was objecting to. Versions isn't optional from the User's point of view if the developer (Apple or otherwise) decides to implement it.

Are you calling me an Apple fanboy ?

Your words, not mine.

Do we really need to polarize this ?

Only if our opinions are polar opposites, which on the subject of Versions and Save As they appear to be. I simply cannot understand how anyone can argue that Apple's new take on file management in Lion could be better when it is more complex, flawed, badly thought out but worst of all, compulsory in apps that implement it.....The user has no choice and that's the crux of the issue for me.

I hate Microsoft

Hate? Really? For what purpose?

I just don't see it the way you do when it comes to things like Versions and Mission Control. I still loath Launchpad, but frankly, it's completely out of the way so it doesn't me. My scrollbars are set to "always show", my mouse/trackpad scrolling is set to the old behavior because "natural" feels anything but, etc.. etc..

The things that you mention (with the exception of Versions) are all Optional. Again.....This is my problem with Versions. If I had the option to use the initial file management paradigm that has served me well for decades in any application in Lion, I would not be typing these words right now.

Maybe it's you who has some kind of emotional vendetta ? Whatever it is, don't project your emotional attachment to electronics unto me.

I earn my living from my computers, so there is an investment and ongoing concern that the OS environment in which I work continues to facilitate earning that living.

You and I would not be having this conversation had you not entirely incorrectly stated that Duplicate is the same as Save As when clearly it isn't.....You started this discussion. There is no vendetta, just astonishment at how stubbornly you appear to be clinging on to a sunken argument. But don't worry, I'm not projecting anything onto you.

 

[scottsjack]

Geez there are too many. . .

#1 is to close the application with the red X, no menu, no CMD-Q, just one simple click.

Others;

No media eject error message

PrintScreen button

End key

Windows Explorer details window better than any Finder screen

Select and deselect front application with a click in the Taskbar

CTRL key is much easier to use than CMD

 

[Joos24]

Geez there are too many. . .

#1 is to close the application with the red X, no menu, no CMD-Q, just one simple click.

Others;

No media eject error message

PrintScreen button

End key

Windows Explorer details window better than any Finder screen

Select and deselect front application with a click in the Taskbar

CTRL key is much easier to use than CMD

And you use a Mac for what reason????? Or do you?

 

[r0k]

Save As is still there in Xcode. But it annoys me that it's missing in textedit, preview and several other apps. Save a version bothers me. I know there might come a day when I rarely care about versions of a file and I'm willing to go in a Time Machine like interface just to roll back changes or view yesterday's version but for me and the way I work that day has not yet arrived.

While I miss save as, I love duplicate. It's wonderful to be able to quickly make a copy of a file without launching any application.

For the person who said they miss image preview in windows, quickview works almost exactly the same way. Quick view an image in a folder full of images and then start hitting arrow keys to navigate through the folder. It's blindingly fast. I'll take quick view over the monkey business involved in viewing stuff in Windows any day. Duplicate and quick view are examples (to me) of OS X's superior design and features. The lack of Save As is a minor annoyance.

I use Totalfinder plugin which includes cut copy and paste buttons but I mainly like it for the tabbed finder window. To me a single tabbed finder window makes Totalfinder worth the price.

There are times I get files that friends (more like fiends) created in some MS application that won't open properly in quickview/libreoffice or even iwork. This annoys me but it's not Apple I'm annoyed at. It's MS for creating so many dead end file formats that only their software can open. One example is mht (IE web archive) files. I had to install Opera on my Mac so I could view them. I grow tired of the endless cat and mouse game MS plays with their file formats. The rule of thumb seems to be that any MS product that isn't subject to the scrutiny of corporate IT has at least annual file format changes. One example is publisher. So perhaps this doesn't fit with the intent of the OP, but the things I miss on OS X most often involve the inability to open "locked containers" for which the key often involves sending money to Microsoft or going on a software quest to find an application that can open them. Even pdf files aren't untouched. On more than one occasion, I received pdf files that quick view and preview couldn't understand. They came up as a series of fuzzy lines but only after I downloaded adobe reader for OS X, was I finally able to read the text.