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I know it's been said countless times, but these cMP are just incredible. 14 years later and still going strong.
yes, i thought in 2015 that nothing really improved since 2012
which might be the apex of circuits and computing.

I am now formatting a 256 GB ssd blade for the Macbook Air 2010
that needs a fresh time machine of Mountain Lion.
 
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All of my email accounts across outlook, gmail and yahoo were giving me grief using pop/SSL on my Intel 08 & 09 mbps running elcap, so I switched that to imap/Oauth2 via Seamonkey 2.53.18.2. Was a bit of a headache getting there but all are working/syncing reliably now.
 
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Don't know if this exactly counts as an "early" Intel Mac, but I finally broke down and bought a Darth Vader trashcan Mac Pro for the paltry price of $200, built in April 2017 according to the serial number. Spent about an hour installing Sonoma 14.5 and transferring files from my 2012 Mini (same OS). I'm digging it- a lot faster than my Mini, and in great condition with no scratches. I need to rearrange my desk so the Cube and MP can shine together. Specs below (8-core CPU upgrade forthcoming, as they're cheeeeeap).

Next up- a cheap as heck 2017 Macbook 12" Retina. A new battery awaits its arrival, but it's been stuck in Honolulu for 12 days now, with delivery not due until the 22nd...

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I am on the lookout for one of these for my collection as well. Nice score :)
 
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All of my email accounts across outlook, gmail and yahoo were giving me grief using pop/SSL on my Intel 08 & 09 mbps running elcap, so I switched that to imap/Oauth2 via Seamonkey 2.53.18.2. Was a bit of a headache getting there but all are working/syncing reliably now.
IMAP is the better way to go, not specifically as a solution to your issue but for general use. The problem with POP email is that email downloads to the device that makes the request. So, if you download an email to your phone, then it's not available on any other device using that same email account.

As I alternate between phones, laptops, tablets and desktop computers I want my email to be available to all devices and IMAP allows that. Because it stores your email externally. It also means you won't lose an email because a hard drive went bad or a phone got smashed.

And many of the restrictions that email providers use to have in place over how much storage you could have on their servers is long gone. They all lost that battle a long time ago.

If you already knew the difference, my apologies.
 
Can we read icloud emails in these older macbooks, mini again?
these 3rd party ones dont seem to work anymore.
 
IMAP is the better way to go, not specifically as a solution to your issue but for general use. The problem with POP email is that email downloads to the device that makes the request. So, if you download an email to your phone, then it's not available on any other device using that same email account.

As I alternate between phones, laptops, tablets and desktop computers I want my email to be available to all devices and IMAP allows that. Because it stores your email externally. It also means you won't lose an email because a hard drive went bad or a phone got smashed.

And many of the restrictions that email providers use to have in place over how much storage you could have on their servers is long gone. They all lost that battle a long time ago.

If you already knew the difference, my apologies
No worries, this is still great information to post publicly. Typically I dont keep emails. I have literally a handful that I keep backed up to my own device and my server it backs up to. But typically, I dont keep personal emails around. With that being said I do have one personal and one professional that I conduct business out of that are set to imap for the exact reason you pointed out.

The issue I was experiencing above was that my email client stopped syncing with my email providers because they began deprecating the older POP standard and breaking basic UN&PW requests so I chose to leverage Oauth2.0 to regain access and Oauth2.0 was an option only within the imap setup of the client I was using. Anyhow, all good now and to your point, now with the benefits of imap across multiple devices.
 
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If your early Intel can be patched to run up to Catalina I'd say the possibilities are pretty endless as far as day to day use.
Never put Catalina (or newer) on an Intel Mac (and that includes the 2012+ machines it's rated kosher for, regardless of drive-type). --You'll end up with something that looks like a Mac, but with its soul gutted out (i.e., the mountain of tiny & blazingly fast 32bit apps out there are denied to you), and you get to experience the full, suffocating artificial-obsolescence sluggishness of Catalina+ and the increased memory requirements of Apple's relentless data-harvesting.

What I have done with early intel Macs recently is....

1) Install Chromium-Legacy on everything running at least MacOS Lion (thus alleviating about 90% of the impetus most Mac-owners feel about updating the OS that their particular machine runs best at).
2) Turn them into dual-boot systems with Pop! OS Linux (which will run Windows apps in Wine/Bottles), with OCLP's bootloader presenting the user with the choice during startup without them having to hold down option/alt.

Best Mac operating-systems per machine-type:
* Lion or Mountain Lion: Core2 white iMacs and white Macbooks with 2gb of ram
* El Capitan: "blackback" iMacs, other Core2Duo iMacs,
* High Sierra: "silverback" iMacs, 24" '09 blackbacks, other 2009-2011 models with DDR3 ram
* Mojave (in HFS+ partition): all other intel Macs (mainly 2012+)

To disable in Terminal: Notifications, Spotlight Indexing, MRT, syncing, and that other bugger that unhides the "from anywhere" choice when installing applications. Archiving: stop using ecosystem apps (use third-party alternatives all of the built-in apps such as Safari, Mail, iTunes, etc), and keep your documents in new "Music", "Photos" (etc) folders you'll create at the top level of the drive (i.e., outside of the user-folder) or in a second partition on the drive. Disable TimeMachine, and snag CarbonCopyCloner 4 or 5 from the internet; set it up to maintain daily bootable backup partitions.
 
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Never put Catalina (or newer) on an Intel Mac (and that includes the 2012+ machines it's rated kosher for, regardless of drive-type). --You'll end up with something that looks like a Mac, but with its soul gutted out (i.e., the mountain of tiny & blazingly fast 32bit apps out there are denied to you), and you get to experience the full, suffocating artificial-obsolescence sluggishness of the APFS file system and then increased memory requirements of Apple's relentless data-harvesting.

Three bits:

1) I concur.

Catalina or later, unless you’re on a work system requiring Catalina or later, is unnecessary, especially for pre-2013 or even pre-2015 Macs.

My only kvetch: Apple, stingy as they are with security updates and their “only three last OS major builds supported” arbitrary policy (only made odious once Federighi rendered OS X/macOS into a rolling release with strict, yearly major number changes*** for… ::kermit the frog arm-flailing:: …reasons) has left ongoing third party support for Signal, for Firefox, and other internet applications upon which security updates must be in place in the dust. For now, the baseline for these third-party applications is Catalina. ::sound of live studio audience dejectedly saying “awwwwh”::

2) APFS was, from inception, planned and designed around the use of solid state storage only — and fast at that (direct-SATA, PCIe/NVMe, and up). I was not enthralled by Apple’s move to replace HFS+ with APFS (all, reportedly, because someone at Sun Microsystems in 2007 scooped Jobs the day before the latter was to announce ZFS adoption as OS X’s future, snapshot-based file system).

I have come to find where APFS works as intended — namely, partitions running High Sierra or Mojave, and whose partitions are on said SSD. I have at least one Mac running High Sierra on HFS+, because it still runs with the OEM spinner, and one running High Sierra on APFS (on a SATA I-speed SSD whose partition for Snow Leopard is HFS+).

Based on my experiences with High Sierra, I would not dream of trying to run Mojave on a regular basis from a spinner, nor would I fathom trying to partition any spinner with APFS. If/when I swap out that spinner running High Sierra, then I’ll move to APFS and Mojave for it.

3) Harvesting gets blocked sufficiently well with the robust use of Little Snitch and also the adding of unwanted stuff to the /etc/hosts file. :)


*** In the bad, old days of Bertrand Serlet (yes, that’s acidic sarcasm!), major version releases were running about 18–30 months as all the major issues, bugs, and kinks would get worked out of that major release, before the next release would take over. It was still “three latest releases supported for security updates” then, as well. But were we to extend an alternate timeline which continued with that measured, paced, 18–30-month update cycle — and averaging it at 24 — we would, as of right this moment, mid-2024, be halfway through the life cycle of High Sierra, with security updates support going back to El Capitan (10.11.0 being released in 2019). :O
 
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2) APFS was, from inception, planned and designed around the use of solid state storage only — and fast at that (direct-SATA, PCIe/NVMe, and up).
That's the surface propaganda, and any claim made by Apple must be viewed through a lens of knowing that they are skinsuit over an intelligence operation. Their ulterior goal is to surveil the user 24/7. Previously this had been done by enticing the user with a server-based cloud ecosystem; with Catalina, the OS itself would finally become fully integrated, with all app use monitored (this resulting in Spotlight Indexing and other telemetry apps going into crazy mode).

This greatly-increased amount of disk access (where previously a GUI OS' job was to interpret device input, then stand silently by until the next) was of course much quicker on an SSD. --So, how to get everyone into an SSD? Easy: design a new version of the OS (Catalina), then make it an upgrade path for machines with regular spinner drives. Those machines will now run sluggish, and their users replace them with new silicon product restricted from the running older versions of the OS.

Now none of this increased disk churning requires a new file-system, and APFS is not faster on an SSD than HFS+ is. (When I rag on APFS for being a disk-grinder, I'm really critiquing OS versions that require it, or Catalina+.) High Sierra and Mojave do not have any speed benefits running in APFS over HFS+, and my copious anecdotal experience suggests that its slower (if only for the additional overhead of the OS now managing a user data partition rather than a user folder).

I remember when this GUI OS booted off an 800k floppy diskette, and was reasonably snappy.

Based on my experiences with High Sierra, I would not dream of trying to run Mojave on a regular basis from a spinner,
I do it all the time: 1) Clone Mojave into an HFS+ partition at the "front" of the drive (usually a two-step cloning process), and 2) disable MRT, Spotlight Indexing, software update, and a few other pieces of telemetry in Terminal. 3) Once you've tailored your "master", you can keep cloning it to other machines with CCC5 and GetBackupPro3 -- which is precisely what I do when I pick up a 2015 i5 iMac with a 1TB spinner at the recycler; they literally run four times faster with Mojave/HFS+ than Catalina (or higher), and Mojave/HFS+ is not worse than High Sierra (which I put on 2009 to 2011 pre-"metal" machines).
3) Harvesting gets blocked sufficiently well with the robust use of Little Snitch and also the adding of unwanted stuff to the /etc/hosts file.
RadioSilence is better than Little Snitch, but neither of them thwart Apple's OS-built-in snooping, and weren't designed for that purpose. Even if all the garbage in Catalina+ could be ripped out/turned off, you're still dealing with all of its other baggage, e.g., murder of 32bit, etc.

We have to come to terms with the fact that the MacOS and Windows platforms are both now fully enshattified, and that our remaining choice is to use the best older versions (Mojave & High Sierra), Win10) while we wait for Linux to pick up the slack.
 
Now the Euro UEFA final is being played on mt MacMini 2012 i5
running Mountain Lion OSX with Firefox legacy with out a stop or spinning crircle.

technically that should but our minds and perhaps  fed our brains these several years
claiming older macs can't do this.

I'm glad members here on this forum can comprehend how our older Intel's still can work great!
 
i might as well use that iPad for something besides drawing comixs

You draw comics?

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For the umpteenth time I encountered the Black Screen of Death on my iPhone 6 as it had gone disused for a long period and there's an infuriating bug in the software that prevents the handset from booting during scenarios where the battery has been completely depleted and then recharged.

As usual, I had to use the Recovery Mode in iTunes to resolve this on my 2011 MBP w/ High Sierra.

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Sorted! iOS restored my emails and photos from an iCloud backup and after reinstating my preferred settings, everything is back to normal but it's tiresome having to go through this process whenever the iPhone hasn't been active for a while.
 
Nice work! :D

It's insane that you were forbidden from depicting the iMac - it would've been beneficial to Apple by way of the free promotion! We live in a strange world.
Thanks,
we weren't forbidden we just did not want to take a chance, our writer was upset but understood.
the graphic and lead story was decided that day and i drew that illustration during lunch.
I always carried a set of greytone markers and india ink-speedo drawing nibs during that era.
 
Today the Macbook Air 2010 11" received a new OWC 265GB Aura Pro 6G ssd,
that is much faster and can run Mt Lion. The install was tougher as i needed 5 attempts
to slot the blade then a while for internet recovery to boot.
 wanted Lion osx as the install OSX, which was good, but i deferred to a time machine back up i made sunday of MtLion that was estimated for 2 hours, but after returning from shopping the MBA was ready to go, under a half an hour.

Everything went smoothly except for SeaLion did not include the settings as ad-on, passwords, bookmarks and themes as i am now configuring that while Firefox Legacy included bookmarks and some other setting.

This week the MBA was getting over 5 hours of battery time which s accurate, but now i'm at just 4 hours with the new ssd drive, i rather sacrifice that time ans have a better experience.

well thanks for reading and enjoy that early Intel  prodct everyone!
 
Today the Macbook Air 2010 11" received a new OWC 265GB Aura Pro 6G ssd,
that is much faster and can run Mt Lion.
Now go get Chromium-Legacy for a modern browser; install uBlockOrigin and Adblocker Ultimate browser extensions.
Everything went smoothly except for SeaLion did not include the settings as ad-on, passwords, bookmarks and themes as i am now configuring that while Firefox Legacy included bookmarks and some other setting.
Try Basilisk and PaleMoon as currently-maintained old-school Firefox forks. (Unfortunately neither is "modern" from the standpoint of, say, YouTube viewing, but at least all your favorite old extensions like TabMixPlus still work.)
This week the MBA was getting over 5 hours of battery time which s accurate, but now i'm at just 4 hours with the new ssd drive, i rather sacrifice that time ans have a better experience.
That's odd; a newer gen SSD should use less power, not more. Pull up Activity Monitor and see what's hogging CPU and memory.
 
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Now go get Chromium-Legacy for a modern browser; install uBlockOrigin and Adblocker Ultimate browser extensions.
Thanks for the reply!
Is Chromium-Legacy "teh googles"?
i stopped google anything since 2012.

i have both those and will keep everything as is
since the goal of this is to keep things to a minimum as like things were in 2012.
 
a newer gen SSD should use less power, not more.

Not necessarily. I've seen current consumption of SSD drives of similar size (128GB) all over the place - from 0.7A to 1.6A, with newer drives sometimes consuming more than the old ones. I'm not talking about DRAM-less designs, btw.
 
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Now go get Chromium-Legacy for a modern browser; install uBlockOrigin and Adblocker Ultimate browser extensions.

I particularly recommend uBlock Origin.

Without it, YouTube is unwatchable due to the relentless bombardment of adverts. Though that's a cue to consider Odysee and Rumble, I suppose.
 
With the 2011 early Intels I've decided to keep, this is how they're set:
iMac: Sonoma, via OCLP.
Early MBP: Catalina. It will not run any other macOS, so I'll be here asking how best to set this up.
Late MBP: MX Linux. This one will also only run Catalina, but no sense in two, so it gets MX, and it runs it beautifully.
Everything else gotta go!
 
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for me and my Mt Lion
ad block works great on SeaLion
Ublock and a Youtube blocker for firefox legacy, that does not play any pre ad videos
too bad that YT blocker is not designed for M1 chips.
 
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