What have you done with an early Intel recently?

[DCBassman]

The universe is telling you to upgrade to Windows 7

I would, but this is for business use, if I can get it to work...

 

[Gloomy]

Trying to turn a white 2010 Macbook into a bare-metal Windows 10 machine. But the Nvidia driver kills it. If I disable that, it works, but of course it keeps reinstalling. More research needed...

Sounds like a UEFI issue. Very common on those older pre-2012 Mac models - especially Nvidia ones are a pain for this. What you need is to install Windows via Legacy BIOS mode. These instructions here will help:

Running Windows 10 on an older Macbook Pro – Anti-random

 

[Snowlover]

Try using Windows install app

Windows Install​

Download Windows Install for free. Installing Windows from macOS. Suitable for Hackintosh and Macintosh. The Windows Install.app program allows you to install Windows directly from the Mac OS system. There is no need to create an installation flash drive.

sourceforge.net

Put Windows Install app and windows iso on a high sierra or higher external drive. Boot from the external drive and install to internal drive partition formatted to exfat. Use the legacy boot setting. Then add drivers.

 

[alex_free]

The Mac mini tower is almost in its final form

 

[DCBassman]

Try using Windows install app

Windows Install​

Download Windows Install for free. Installing Windows from macOS. Suitable for Hackintosh and Macintosh. The Windows Install.app program allows you to install Windows directly from the Mac OS system. There is no need to create an installation flash drive.

sourceforge.net

Put Windows Install app and windows iso on a high sierra or higher external drive. Boot from the external drive and install to internal drive partition formatted to exfat. Use the legacy boot setting. Then add drivers.

Thanks, will try that!

 

[eyoungren]

Something I learned today…

In the past I've had some issues with two devices connected to my USB stick at the same time, usually a mouse and a headset. I'll either get static/dropouts with the music or stuttering with the mouse. This issue is primarily what set me off a couple months back with my issues on my MP.

Right now, the USB BT stick has my Magic Trackpad (1st gen) connected and I decided to use a BT headset as well. Of course, a bit of static. I was prepared for that. However, I reasoned that my system might have changed my Input setting to the mic on the headset. I don't want that, because I have a BT device connected to the Line-In. Yep, it was changed to the headset mic. And…changing it back to Line-In fixed most of the problem. And so it would seem then that all the issues that I've had here have been because of the Input setting being set to the headset mic.

Perhaps obvious to others, but apparently not to me - going in to the Sound settings inside Settings (System Preferences) and changing the Input device to something else will largely alleviate this.

It turns out that when you have a BT headset with a mic and the Input is set to that headset's mic, audio downsteps to a lesser quality setting. Cue the static and dropouts. Changing the input setting to something else gives you the high quality audio you are expecting and mostly alleviates this as I mentioned.

And now, this makes sense to me why older versions of OS X have a headset and a headphone setting when connecting a BT headset. I finally have an answer to this difference.

Finally, someone else noted in a Google search I made, that while they made this switch, they still had problems. If you, like me, are on a more current version of MacOS because of a patcher or OCLP, you're going to ALSO want to make sure Voice Control has its mic setting changed as well! Mine was set to the mic on my headset. Make this change, even if Voice Control is set to off. Makes a difference.

Hope this helps someone out there!

 

[dandeco]

For a fun little throwback, I produced a quick Zak Wolf vlog in the style of how a YouTube video may have been made 20 years ago!

I used my 2006 Core Duo 17" iMac (1.83 GHz processor, 2 GB of RAM, 160 GB hard drive) and edited the 4:3 standard-def MiniDV footage on iMovie HD 6! I don't have a working MiniDV camcorder from the mid-2000s, so I took a creative liberty by setting my Canon Vixia HV40 to standard-definition 4:3 DV mode. The quality is still somewhat better than it would be on an actual Optura or ZR-series camera of the time.

 

[Minghold]

For a fun little throwback, I produced a quick Zak Wolf vlog in the style of how a YouTube video may have been made 20 years ago!
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I used my 2006 Core Duo 17" iMac (1.83 GHz processor, 2 GB of RAM, 160 GB hard drive) and ....

The 24" white iMac had the most sumptuous-sounding speakers of any iMac (or other Apple device) AFAIAC. The succeeding blackbacks were *almost* as good, but an audiophile could tell, and the bloom was off the rose by the silverback era.

All 15” models from 2006 to Early 2009 had the ExpressCard/34 slot (Mid 2009 and later replaced it with an SD card slot) while the 17” model had it from 2006 to 2011 until its discontinuation. The 13” model never had ExpressCard.

Meaning the same 09-11 era machines that Apple made it a PITA to put Mojave on are also denied any viable path to USB3. >:-(

@Minghold I've been busy, Ming! I put a blank 128GB SSD into my MBP and installed the Mavericks Forever fork on it....

That reminds me: how difficult would it be to grant any APFS viability to Mavericks? (I'd guess that booting from it would be difficult to redonkulous, but mounting and viewing volumes less so.) It's really the only major hitch I have it widely adopting it since I have dozens of external SSDs. (Well, that, and Mojave's dreamy dark-mode.)

 

[Gloomy]

Meaning the same 09-11 era machines that Apple made it a PITA to put Mojave on are also denied any viable path to USB3. >:-(

If speed is critical then the 2011 models can do USB3 (up to 5Gbps) over Thunderbolt (up to 10Gbps) with a dock/hub but legacy Thunderbolt items are super expensive.

I use a Crucial MX500 SATA SSD in a LaCie Rugged drive with a Thunderbolt port. It's speed is "limited" by the SATA bus so can't reach the full 10Gbps of Thunderbolt 1, but it does get the full SATA III speeds (sustained read/write of around 560MB/s) so it is as fast if not faster than the USB3.0 of the time.

RE: APFS on Mavericks, I am pretty sure that's a no go. 🙁

 

[Minghold]

I use a Crucial MX500 SATA SSD in a LaCie Rugged drive with a Thunderbolt port. It's speed is "limited" by the SATA bus so can't reach the full 10Gbps of Thunderbolt 1, but it does get the full SATA III speeds (sustained read/write of around 560MB/s) so it is as fast if not faster than the USB3.0 of the time.

Anything has got to be better than painfully slow USB2 drive-cloning 90gb of audio software onto these brick-shithouse laptops (you'd be surprised how many urban dudes want these things for running ancient versions of ProTools).

 

[alex_free]

I got Mac OS 10.12.6 installed on a 2017 Air. The lowest internet recovery does is 10.14, even though the Macbook Air 7,2 shipped with 10.12.5. I originally thought because this one was made in 2018 IIRC going off of serial number it could never work... I talked to @DCBassman quite awhile ago in the 'best early intel' thread about struggling to get that to work when he suggested 10.13 and had been running that for some time. But I gave it another go and sure enough it is possible. Now the fun part: doing it all over again to figure out WHAT exactly I did to make the 10.12 installer happy.

 

[alex_free]

GCC16 really, really doesn't like being compiled on a dual G5 2ghz with 4GBs of RAM running tiger. After weeks of failed build attempts (running out of memory even with 1 make job or 4 make jobs, etc) I have installed tiger server on another HDD in my Mac Pro and have resorted to dedicating that install for using Rosetta to build specific PPC software. It's weird because gcc16 is known to work on a G4 with much less RAM on Tiger, and also on Leopard with the same dual G5 2ghz 4gb ram hardware config.

It's almost certainly just wanting more RAM on a dual G5 system then what I can make available (building GCC16 is one of the most insane things you can make a computer do) and Tiger isn't making it happy for some reason without it.

Once binaries are available I can just use the G5 to build PPC software (Rosetta can't build everything from intel targeting powerpc, but according to @barracuda156 it certainly can do GCC16).

 

[DCBassman]

Now that I have the Mac Pro Trashcan stable on Sequoia 15.7.9, I've re-added Windows 10 via Bootcamp. I'm going to be rehashing the whole desktop setup at some point in the near future, moving back from the current Haswell based motherboard to a previously owned X79 mobo with a 10C/20 thread Xeon E5-2680 and 32GB RAM. Monstrous overkill, but who cares? I'll declutter the cupboards by installing every drive I can into the big case that's coming with it. While I'm doing all this the Trashcan will be my main machine, with a choice of Sequoia or Win 10 IoT LTSC 2021.

 

[retta283]

The 24" white iMac had the most sumptuous-sounding speakers of any iMac (or other Apple device) AFAIAC. The succeeding blackbacks were *almost* as good, but an audiophile could tell, and the bloom was off the rose by the silverback era.

Meaning the same 09-11 era machines that Apple made it a PITA to put Mojave on are also denied any viable path to USB3. >:-(

That reminds me: how difficult would it be to grant any APFS viability to Mavericks? (I'd guess that booting from it would be difficult to redonkulous, but mounting and viewing volumes less so.) It's really the only major hitch I have it widely adopting it since I have dozens of external SSDs. (Well, that, and Mojave's dreamy dark-mode.)

Interesting. I owned all three white iMacs at once in 2006 (17", 20", 24") and I felt like the 24" speakers were just about the same as the 20", but it is a long time ago. The 24" black one was a big step up over the 20" I think, and both were considerably better than the 20" white one. For my money my 27" 2012 iMac sounds better than any other iMac I have ever encountered, even the M1 models. Apparently there were complaints at the time that they sounded worse than the 2011s, but I did not have that experience myself. I find the 27" 2009-2011 to just be okay, better than 21.5" but not by much.

It only matters so much though because none of them are any good for music that is not brickwalled (anything mastered before the early-mid 90s and especially classical music) because they don't get loud enough. The drivers in these aren't really that great, it's all a bunch of special EQing at the software level that makes them sound good. When you install Windows via Bootcamp, the speakers sound uniformly awful on all iMacs to my ears.

As an aside those 24" whites were such a pain, I ran a few of them into the ground because the GPUs always died. I had 7600GT upgraded and even running fan control software they just kept dying, and the screens got that nasty yellow tinge and image retention, same like the black 24" ones do. I seldom come across iMacs pre-2012 with screens that aren't ruined by these kinds of issues, sadly. Even my own fleet are all affected except my white 20" which is perfect minus harsh AG coating. Really cool computers but just hard to maintain the all-in-one.

 

[retta283]

Just from curiosity, anyone here play around with the OldUnreal patches for UT2004 on Intel Macs? They only support Catalina or later so I am unable to mess with it, but I wonder how well it works on Intel. The old MacSoft 32-bit version was always a bit worse-off performance wise, and I could never make certain mods mesh with it, but maybe this new version fixes it. I'm just glad someone is maintaining the game again.

 

[Minghold]

...the screens got that nasty yellow tinge and image retention, same like the black 24" ones do. I seldom come across iMacs pre-2012 with screens that aren't ruined by these kinds of issues, sadly.

IMO the 2010s were pretty bad, and almost all 24" "blackbacks" are impossibly dim and yellow by now. But then you'll find a 2008 20" with a bright white screen, and shake your head. I think Apple was getting screens from three or four OEMs at one point back then (it made servicing 27" silverbacks a nightmare, because none of them were interchangeable, and they had different ribbon sockets on the 09/10/11 MBs).

 

[retta283]

IMO the 2010s were pretty bad, and almost all 24" "blackbacks" are impossibly dim and yellow by now. But then you'll find a 2008 20" with a bright white screen, and shake your head. I think Apple was getting screens from three or four OEMs at one point back then (it made servicing 27" silverbacks a nightmare, because none of them were interchangeable, and they had different ribbon sockets on the 09/10/11 MBs).

This has been my experience as well. The TN 20" panel was fairly robust, I got rid of my last one of those a couple years back but if you could deal with the TN viewing angles they aged extremely well. 24" ones have not aged well, and like you say the 2010s were absolutely marred by yellowing, even out of the factory that year. Haven't had too much experience with the 2011 iMacs, since they have GPU failures, so I'm not sure if they use the same panels as the 2010s or not.

2012 iMacs have image retention issues but no major uniformity problems on them. Luckily mine has only very light image retention, only noticeable on the login screen where it's that darkened blurred effect, or in Launchpad. This 2012 screen has held up exceptionally well, it still looks respectable next to an M4 MBP screen and much newer Dell 27" monitors.

 

[DouglasCarroll]

Just from curiosity, anyone here play around with the OldUnreal patches for UT2004 on Intel Macs? They only support Catalina or later so I am unable to mess with it, but I wonder how well it works on Intel. The old MacSoft 32-bit version was always a bit worse-off performance wise, and I could never make certain mods mesh with it, but maybe this new version fixes it. I'm just glad someone is maintaining the game again.

Unreal Tournament 2004 - Macintosh Garden

This is the third game in the popular Unreal Tournament series. The 1st to 4th downloads are the parts of the zipped disc image of the game DVD The 5th download is the final patch (3369.2) that updates the game application to a Universal Binary and includes the Epic Mega Pack, as well as some fixes.

macintoshgarden.org

Check out here.

😁

 

[alex_free]

(back) building gcc16 via Rosetta on tiger server (finally have libgcc16 for PowerPC, now just the actual compiler).
(Front) need to test some intel fixes for tigerports so using the 2007 MacBook also running tiger server.
(right) MacBook Air 2017 doing some git stuff merging my PowerPC ports branch with the macports ports tree on 10.12

 

[MBAir2010]

STOOPID ME!

I installed an Mojave security update today on my "early intel"
on a "still kick some hind1/4's" MacBookAir 2010 that was patched via DosDude (who rules!)
after trying to reboot I have that loop or shut offs after the dark grey bar goes pas the  logo on start up.
silly me!
I don't see away around this even with the OPT_CMD_P_R zap.

what I will do is plop that 265 GB drive, use that as a back up for my MBAir 2020 if I don't like Golden Bill Gates.
which leave me with 2 blades of 64GB SnowLeopard and 128GB Mountain Lion if I feel like using the early intel MBA

now if we we not experiencing these absurd ssd drive shortages for silly AI companies hogging tech,
id purchase a ssd drive and just try to get Mojave to work this 4GB MacBook Air.

these early intel Mac still ar fun to us even in these frustrating cases!

 

[DouglasCarroll]

It turns out that this particular app also runs on iOS, Linux, PC/Windows and MacOS. The problem with MacOS however, is that you need a Mac with at least an M1 chip. That rules out all Intel Macs. Unfortunately, I don't know of anything that would run on Lion.

I myself have been looking for something easy for quite a while. I figure that if police/fire/ambulance/airplane/marine/train scanners exist and the apps for them you should be able to find something similar for shortwave. Anything previous I found was iOS, and (to me) so complicated as to be discouraging. Last night was a Hail Mary Google search and I was fortunate.

I know that there are active websites that do this that you can probably visit in your browser on Lion. You'd have to do a Google search for them. If I do see anything though (app-wise for Lion) I will let you know.


Enterprise has a bad reputation among ST fans because it took at least a season before the writing started to actually get good. But that's right around the time that fan hate for Rick Berman and Brannon Braga started to get popular. They made some questionable decisions in the writing of T'Pol's character that a lot of fans (and Jolene Blalock) didn't agree with. Stuff that no logical Vulcan would actually do. And the finale in the final season before it got cancelled turned out to be largely an extended ST: TNG episode rather than a farewell to the characters of Enterprise. The kick in the head is that one well-liked character died towards the end for no good reason.

But. If you can get past all that, if you can get past an illogical relationship between a Vulcan and a human, then the series is great. There is actually quite a lot of character development between T'Pol and Archer and that should have been the relationship things focused on more. It takes a lot to earn the loyalty of a Vulcan, and Archer earned it. There is still some great stuff in there.

My only suggestion…hit mute when the theme song comes up. Fans (myself included) hated it, but Berman and Braga absolutely refused to redo it.

Okay Eyoungren,

I just got “Enterprise” season 1 from the library today based on your great review, looking forward to checking it out!

Thanks again!

😃

 

[alex_free]

Finally stopped being lazy and started writing my "Guide to Tiger Development" which explains how to replace tiger ssh with modern ssh, configure git to work over ssh with your github account so you can push/pull/whatever directly from tiger, etc. I can write it in markdown, gen html with cmark, and upload it to my website. Another awsome thing is https://github.com/alex-free/github-ssh-setup is confirmed now to work on every Mac OS X version since 10.4. I mean how cool is this

 

[DCBassman]

Off today for a three-week house-and-cat-sit.
Will be taking 2011 and 2015 11" MBAs, the late 2011 15" MBP, and a relatively new-to-me Asus N55SL Windows machine, heavily upgraded to i7 quad and 16GB RAM. This one came fitted with a 500GB Crucial MX SSD, which was a plus at the lowball price I paid.
I might add in the 2010 Macbook and have anotger go at bare-metal Win 10.

 

[DCBassman]

might add in the 2010 Macbook and have anotger go at bare-metal Win 10.

Didn't bring the white Macbook. Enough to play with!
Happily ensconced, with the 2015 8GB Air running Sonoma, and the 2011s running MX 25.2.

 

[rampancy]

Just from curiosity, anyone here play around with the OldUnreal patches for UT2004 on Intel Macs? They only support Catalina or later so I am unable to mess with it, but I wonder how well it works on Intel. The old MacSoft 32-bit version was always a bit worse-off performance wise, and I could never make certain mods mesh with it, but maybe this new version fixes it. I'm just glad someone is maintaining the game again.

I'm using the latest OldUnreal patch with UT2004 on my Late-2013 iMac running 10.15 (Intel Iris Pro 5200 Graphics), and it runs well with all of the graphical options maxed out, as expected. I admit I do have my settings lowered to maximize my frame rates, however.