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We've pretty much already hashed this out shortly after the subforum was enabled. It's a fuzzy line, but basically, the consensus was anything that the denizens of the main MP/MB/MBP subforums refuse to help you with because those models are too 'old'.

In the sticky above this subforum's topic list the mods define it differently, but we all own an older model here and there.

I consider my work MBP to be borderline and it's a 2015 model. I think there's considerable wiggle room here.
In my opinion any pre-Metal capable Mac is early Intel. Easy enough line to define and remember. Any Mac with Metal is a machine capable of running pretty much any modern app on modern macOS versions while it’s hit or miss what’ll work on older machines.

This also means my 2012 Mac Mini isn’t early Intel yet despite it being 10 years old o_O
But it’s also running Ventura well so it’s a good up to date machine
 
12.6.1 on iMac 12,2. I can't thank the OCLP guys enough. This machine is a fan favorite for me.

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This is a little thing but I installed WebP Viewer (freeware) from the App Store to bring WebP support to the Finder in High Sierra.


High Sierra defaults to Preview for opening these files but can’t actually view these. Also, file icons for these files are blank. This little app provides an alternate viewer if you choose “Always Open With” for this app. Once you do that, it also provides preview thumbnails for file icons on the desktop and in the Finder.
 
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This is a little thing but I installed WebP Viewer (freeware) from the App Store to bring WebP support to the Finder in High Sierra.


High Sierra defaults to Preview for opening these files but can’t actually view these. Also, file icons for these files are blank. This little app provides an alternate viewer if you choose “Always Open With” for this app. Once you do that, it also provides preview thumbnails for file icons on the desktop and in the Finder.

Nice one! :D

Thanks for sharing this. It's frustrating having to use a workaround to get WebP files to download as JPEGs and to be constantly mindful of this when dealing with online images.
 
This is a little thing but I installed WebP Viewer (freeware) from the App Store to bring WebP support to the Finder in High Sierra.


High Sierra defaults to Preview for opening these files but can’t actually view these. Also, file icons for these files are blank. This little app provides an alternate viewer if you choose “Always Open With” for this app. Once you do that, it also provides preview thumbnails for file icons on the desktop and in the Finder.
Going to try this, thanks.

EDIT: Cool, works. Had to change the app back to PS CC21 though as it defaulted to CS6. Not sure this is the install's problem though as I've had that happen once already.
 
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Going to try this, thanks.

EDIT: Cool, works. Had to change the app back to PS CC21 though as it defaulted to CS6. Not sure this is the install's problem though as I've had that happen once already.
Still seem to have blank icons, but at least I can quicklook now and the image shows up in Get Info.
 
I had to make it the default WebP file type viewer first, and then the icon thumbnails showed up on the desktop.

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OK. Cool. I don't like icon previews, so I have those off. It's showing the icon of the app now though.

I set it to the app, changed all and restarted Finder. Then I switched the default app back to PS CC21. Shows the Webp app icon. That's fine, I don't need to see a PS icon and it's not blank anymore so we're good.
 
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Photoshop also has a Webp plugin. I've just set Finder to open webp in PS. If you have Photoshop…

Noted. :)

I don't have Photoshop but I do have the GIMP and PhotoScape X and I've just discovered that in High Sierra both programs will open WebP images when selected from Finder albeit without an image thumbnail and of course no file info or Quick Look available. With the WebP Viewer I think I'll have everything covered.

Time to download it. :D
 
I had to make it the default WebP file type viewer first, and then the icon thumbnails showed up on the desktop.

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This worked for me after I also followed your lead and in Finder set my Pictures folder to View as Icons instead of Columns. :)

That was the most straightforward activity that I've done with my 2011 15" MBP in the past 48 hours! After postal strikes/delays and dispatch delays, I received all of the RAM that I'd purchased to upgrade the machine from the stock 4GB to 12GB RAM.

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From one seller I purchased an 8GB module and 4GB from another. As you can see, the latter sent what I think was erroneously, 2X 4GB modules instead of one - and this would later prove to be quite fortuitous. I shut down the computer, disconnected everything and removed the bottom plate so that I could swap the RAM.

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Nice and easy but when I powered up the MBP this is where the problems began. High Sierra wouldn't start. The progress bar took ages to update and eventually hung at 100% and would remain so for hours. The usual troubleshooting measures of resetting the SMC and NVRAM made no difference and on subsequent attempts to boot High Sierra it stalled at the 50% mark.

Great. :(

I also have Snow Leopard on a dual boot and that booted fine - and was lightning fast with 12GB ram installed! At least this signalled to me that it was a software problem - not a hardware one. Next, I booted the recovery partition and ran Disk Utility and it didn't report any issues. High Sierra still wouldn't boot so I returned to Snow Leopard and decided to use the environment to back up important files from the High Sierra partition onto an external USB drive.

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SuperDuper! to the rescue - actually, no. It reached sixty odd GB of data out of 610GB and then stopped after failing to copy a jpg file. I tried to find the Snow Leopard compatible version of Carbon Copy Cloner but had no joy on that front. Ordinarily at this stage I would've used Target Disk Mode to clone the data using another Mac so that even if the installation isn't bootable, I could reformat the High Sierra partition, reinstall the OS and then restore all my data and programs with Migration Assistant. If I could locate my FireWire 800 to 800 or 800 to 400 cables, that is.

Panic is starting to set in because I'm worrying for the fate of the data on the High Sierra partition, which I foolishly hadn't backed up anywhere lately despite its value to me. It was here that I did the most obvious thing and manually copied the relevant folders to the external drive and strangely this worked whereas SuperDuper! had failed. At least my data was now safe in case the partition later became inaccessible, which was a major relief. :)

After some research I learned that the reinstall macOS option from the recovery partition will repair your installation whilst preserving your data and programs, so I gave it a try.

This looks promising:

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As we all know, "About 45 minutes remaining" could actually mean 450 minutes so I went out for a few hours and when I returned, this is what was waiting for me:

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Yes! The log-in screen for my account. Thank goodness. I logged in and everything was present and waiting for me. There were a few settings which I had to reconfigure within System Preferences but I was returned right back to my open Finder windows prior to this crisis. PurgeWrangler will need to be re-enabled and the System Integrity Protection disabled for eGPU usage but that's a minor issue which is easily solved.

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You're probably wondering why the RAM information is now 8GB instead of 12. It seems that the 8GB module is bad - because when I shut down Snow Leopard, the computer emitted three beeps in a row and during my initial High Session, the graphics became corrupted after a couple of minutes, the computer froze, the display went black and I again heard three beeps in row followed by an automatic shutdown.

I removed the 8GB module, retained the 1x 4GB RAM and installed the other 4GB module and they're working great. There's been no beeping so it's definitely the 8GB one - and I made a point of checking that it had been correctly seated. I'll have to contact the seller and inform them that it's faulty. That is unless you think it's worth checking with something like MEMTEST. Personally I doubt it but I'm open to suggestions just in case.

Nonetheless, for the meantime 8GB still makes a huge difference over the original stock config and I no longer see the machine struggling with 256MB RAM remaining! :D

Two important lessons for me from this episode - take backing up far more seriously and always know where your FireWire cables are located.
 
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3 - Spare RAM stick is always good to have :D.
BTW, I prefer testing RAM before actual using system. You can try Apple System Diagnostic (or Hardware test? I'm a bit out of current names :) ). Memtest86+ got update recently & have EFI version (m.b. you'll need to install rEFInd to convenient using it). (Used it at work for about 2 weeks - works great, foound one system with bad ram stick :) ).
 
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3 - Spare RAM stick is always good to have :D.

Fortune certainly smiled on me there. :D

BTW, I prefer testing RAM before actual using system.

Yes, I should stop taking it for granted that the seller has actually bothered to test the products that they're claiming are fully functional. Luckily I wasn't doing anything vital when the RAM issue caused a shutdown.

You can try Apple System Diagnostic (or Hardware test? I'm a bit out of current names :) ). Memtest86+ got update recently & have EFI version (m.b. you'll need to install rEFInd to convenient using it). (Used it at work for about 2 weeks - works great, foound one system with bad ram stick :) ).

Thanks, I'll burn a CD and see what Memtest reports and with Apple Diagnostics, I only have to hold down D or Option-D at startup. Then I can quote both findings to the seller if needs be. :)
 
Yes, I should stop taking it for granted that the seller has actually bothered to test the products that they're claiming are fully functional. Luckily I wasn't doing anything vital when the RAM issue caused a shutdown.
Backing up the High Sierra partition with the faulty RAM in the machine was “dangerous” — the backup was corrupted and would likely have been unusable. Faulty RAM is a nightmare.
 
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Backing up the High Sierra partition with the faulty RAM in the machine was “dangerous” — the backup was corrupted and would likely have been unusable. Faulty RAM is a nightmare.

Of course. At the time I didn't realise that the RAM might be deficient till I finished the Snow Leopard session, shut down the computer and experienced the beeping. I then removed the 8GB module, restarted Snow Leopard with just the 4GB one and the session was trouble-free, which eliminated the 4GB module as a culprit and made me suspect that perhaps I hadn't seated the 8GB RAM correctly.

It was only when I booted High Sierra after reinserting the module and double-checking that it was correctly seated and experienced further problems that I realised the module was definitely faulty. Again, I'm thankful that I wasn't working on anything important when the computer crashed and shutdown because it almost certainly would've been lost. My browser tabs wouldn't restore and I had to reopen them by searching through the history window.
 
Using the invaluable freeware Burn, I burned the Memtest86+ ISO to a CD-R, rebooted and let the test run. I was curious to see the extent of the RAM fault and it always helps to have solid visual evidence on your side during potential eBay disputes.

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My my, confirmed as bad within 8 minutes.

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822 errors found in under an hour.

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Approaching the two-hour mark and 1,321 errors have been found.

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This testing period is more than sufficient to conclude that the RAM is unequivocally a lemon and I've sent these images to the seller to begin the return/refund/replace process. Either they're a chancer or they don't bother to test their used stock.
 
I recently repurposed my 2008 aluminum MacBook for my young son to use. He does most of his stuff on a 2014 iPad Air 2, but a few things aren't fully compatible with that, so the MacBook takes care of the rest. I have High Sierra on it with 8 GB RAM and the latest Chrome, so he's happy for the time being. I'll probably give him a replacement next year though, since the speed of the 2008 Core 2 Duo 2.0 GHz is becoming problematic even with some kids' interactive websites. I also have a 2009 MBP Core 2 Duo 2.26 GHz and it does help a bit, but that's only 13% faster. Actually, I had given the 2008 MacBook to my daughter a couple of years ago, but she started to grow out of it, even though she was just halfway through elementary school.
Well, that didn't last long. I'm already getting performance complaints from the 8 year-old about the 2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo 2008 MacBook. We just installed Roblox on it and with its default settings it's getting 6 fps. Ouch. Installed it on his iPad Air 2 (circa 2014), and he's getting 30 fps.

Oh well, this will have to do for the basics for school for now until I can give him a different laptop or else my 2014 Mac mini next year. No gaming on that MacBook and no heavy duty multimedia interactive websites.
 
I'm already getting performance complaints from the 8 year-old about the 2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo 2008 MacBook. We just installed Roblox on it and with its default settings it's getting 6 fps. Ouch. Installed it on his iPad Air 2 (circa 2014), and he's getting 30 fps.
It's crazy how much better performance in integrated graphics got in MacBook's over time, eg: 9400M > 320M > HD 3000. The 320M in my MacBook7,1 performs way better than the 9400M, yet both are beaten by the HD 3000. A combination of the newer Sandy Bridge chip paired with 512MB of VRAM (if you have 8GB+ RAM).
 
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It's crazy how much better performance in integrated graphics got in MacBook's over time, eg: 9400M > 320M > HD 3000. The 320M in my MacBook7,1 performs way better than the 9400M, yet both are beaten by the HD 3000. A combination of the newer Sandy Bridge chip paired with 512MB of VRAM (if you have 8GB+ RAM).
Intel was forced to give a damn after a while since AMD APUs were making such strides in the iGPU space. The HD 4000 is still pretty decent till this day as long as you don't expect to run modern AAA games with it.

Glad we are past that point and apple can keep pushing forward.
 
OK good. The Intel machines in this house that the kids could end up using are:

2010 iMac - Radeon Pro 5750 <-- They don't want this behemoth on their desks though.
2014 Mac mini - Iris 5100
2015 MacBook Pro - Iris 6100
2017 MacBook - HD 615
2017 MacBook Air - HD 6000

Judging by @0423MAC's and @theMarble's posts, all of these should be more than fine for that stuff.
 
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2010 iMac - Radeon Pro 5750 <-- They don't want this behemoth on their desks though.
2014 Mac mini - Iris 5100
2015 MacBook Pro - Iris 6100
2017 MacBook - HD 615
2017 MacBook Air - HD 6000
I wouldn't use the 5750 if I were you. While it was a semi-powerful card for it's time, it doesn't have any support for Metal, meaning that unlike the 2008 MacBook it would be rather slow on OCLP and since most school related tasks are websites or apps that are made from websites (eg: Electron apps) they perform best on a newer OS.

Not sure on the performance of the 5100 and 615, since both were underpowered machines (especially the mini) but they support Metal and the latest versions of macOS (Monterey or Ventura).
 
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I wouldn't use the 5750 if I were you. While it was a semi-powerful card for it's time, it doesn't have any support for Metal, meaning that unlike the 2008 MacBook it would be rather slow on OCLP and since most school related tasks are websites or apps that are made from websites (eg: Electron apps) they perform best on a newer OS.

Not sure on the performance of the 5100 and 615, since both were underpowered machines (especially the mini) but they support Metal and the latest versions of macOS (Monterey or Ventura).
Well, I haven't heard any complaints yet about the iMac, aside from it's physically too large (27"). The few interactive web pages they've tried on it seem to run fine on it, but like I said they tend not to use that one since it's not on their desks. Now I'm curious though. Maybe I'll install Minecraft and/or Roblox on it just for fun to see how it performs.

One thing though is that I've kept it on High Sierra, since it can still run the latest version of Chrome. I'm not sure if the fact that it's running modern Chrome would make a major difference. However, all the other machines I listed are either on Monterey or Ventura (all officially supported).
 
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