What have you done with an early Intel recently?

[theMarble]

Maybe I'll install Minecraft and/or Roblox on it just for fun to see how it performs.

Certainly would be interesting to see it performs!

One thing though is that I've kept it on High Sierra, since it can still run the latest version of Chrome. I'm not sure if the fact that it's running modern Chrome would make a major difference.

Firefox (and I think Chrome) still supports Sierra, surprisingly. I doubt there is going to be a huge difference between the latest version and one version behind, but would get wary of security issues when getting beyond 10 minor releases.

Also, I just remembered that the 9400M is a non-Metal card too! So then, the 5750 will certainly be a lot better if you were to hop on the OCLP train!

 

[EugW]

Certainly would be interesting to see it performs!


Firefox (and I think Chrome) still supports Sierra, surprisingly. I doubt there is going to be a huge difference between the latest version and one version behind, but would get wary of security issues when getting beyond 10 minor releases.

Also, I just remembered that the 9400M is a non-Metal card too! So then, the 5750 will certainly be a lot better if you were to hop on the OCLP train!

Our MacBook 2008 and MacBook Pro 2009 are both on dosdude1-ified High Sierra. I haven't hopped on the OCLP train with those either. I'm not sure I'll bother at this point since the performance in general is becoming problematic. Even just surfing and streaming video can be a big issue (even with SSD and 8 GB RAM), which is why I had otherwise retired them. The MacBook 2008 was actually my wife's kitchen recipe computer, which we'd sometimes use just to check the news, email, etc., but its slowness was making even that a chore. So then I replaced it with an inexpensive used 2017 MacBook Air last year. Given that I sometimes find bits of cake batter and other stuff on the thing, I wasn't going to get an M1 for the kitchen. 😬 And I certainly wasn't going to get any of the butterfly models for that purpose.

 

[originaldotexe]

trying out the new arctic fox 40.0 browser in snow leopard on my new early 2008 macbook pro. went from not even being able to play 480p 1.5mbps video with 5 fps in tenfourfox intel, to being able to play 1080p 60mbps with no frame drops in arctic fox 40.0 - this is all in browser off my jellyfin server, no vlc or anything. pretty incredible

 

[TheShortTimer]

A replacement 8GB RAM module has just arrived and despite the listing and the pictured module identifying a PC3-12800 unit, the seller has sent me a PC3L one instead.

I despair.

Will this RAM work with my 2011 13" i5 MacBook Pro or will it need to be returned?

 

[Amethyst1]

Will this RAM work with my 2011 13" i5 MacBook Pro or will it need to be returned?

PC3L modules are rated for 1.35 volts but may be dual-voltage-capable (1.35 and 1.50 volts). PC3 modules are rated for 1.50 volts. If your PC3L module is dual-voltage-capable, mixing it with a PC3 module (I presume your other module is PC3) should™ work but I'd definitely give MemTest a good spin. If you don't even get that far (beeps or no boot), return it right away.

 

[TheShortTimer]

PC3L modules are rated for 1.35 volts but may be dual-voltage-capable (1.35 and 1.50 volts). PC3 modules are rated for 1.50 volts. If your PC3L module is dual-voltage-capable, mixing it with a PC3 module (I presume your other module is PC3) should™ work but I'd definitely give MemTest a good spin. If you don't even get that far (beeps or no boot), return it right away.

I gave Memtest a good spin and...

Oh oh!

My instincts told me that I should test each module separately and see what happens.

So far, so good. Now how about the 8GB module?

Interesting!

Let's test them again together and see what happens...

Perhaps the initial FAIL was a glitch or a false-positive?

This gave me the green-light to boot macOS. I didn't encounter any beeps or kernel panics.

Success! I now have 12GB RAM and High Sierra runs even faster. At some point I'll go up to 16GB but this will be more than adequate for now. Thanks @Amethyst1 looks like I won't need to worry about going through yet another return process. Hopefully this information will be helpful to others with the same machine who are looking to upgrade the RAM and unclear about the choices which are available to them.

 

[eyoungren]

Rearranged things…again.



Early 2009 Mini on the left, Late 2009 Mini on the right.

 

[bobesch]

Rearranged things…again.

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Early 2009 Mini on the left, Late 2009 Mini on the right.

Great! Everything pretty tidy in your garage now... 😍
Something I need to do here too quite urgently.
Cheers, Bob

 

[eyoungren]

Great! Everything pretty tidy in your garage now... 😍
Something I need to do here too quite urgently.
Cheers, Bob

Oh, no! Still a giant mess. Just this area is more or less organized. Need to get busy.

 

[bobesch]

Oh, no! Still a giant mess. Just this area is more or less organized. Need to get busy.

Yeah, that's also my workaround:
taking pictures from the right angle or after having been "forced" to tidy up the living room ... 😄

 

[eyoungren]

So, may have mentioned many months ago that in the transaction I made that netted me the Late 2009 Mini was also two 2006 Minis, Snow Leopard only. The only difference between the two is that one has an 80GB hard drive and the other has a 60GB hard drive. Both are 1.66Ghz. Both are slower than my very first Mini, which is inside the house and serves as my download server.

Tonight I set up the 80GB Mac. Easy to do because the seller had simply created a generic admin account and deleted his old acct. I simply created my own admin acct. and deleted the generic one.

As you can see, it's online and running headless.

 

[m1maverick]

Tonight I set up the 80GB Mac. Easy to do because the seller had simply created a generic admin account and deleted his old acct. I simply created my own admin acct. and deleted the generic one.

You're a lot more trusting than I am. Whenever I get a used computer / hard disk / SSD / USB drive / etc. I wipe it clean. Never know what nasty surprises may exist on used storage media.

 

[rampancy]

Not even that, I just don't want to know what's on a given machine when I get it.

I remember one time I bought a MacBook and it had some pretty personal stuff on there - private photos (nothing compromising!), resumés, letters, bills, scripts for movies and plays they'd worked on, and several very pointed, very direct letters specifically aimed at their parents. Turns out the person's mom was quite the piece of work. Yikes.

 

[eyoungren]

You're a lot more trusting than I am. Whenever I get a used computer / hard disk / SSD / USB drive / etc. I wipe it clean. Never know what nasty surprises may exist on used storage media.

Not even that, I just don't want to know what's on a given machine when I get it.

I remember one time I bought a MacBook and it had some pretty personal stuff on there - private photos (nothing compromising!), resumés, letters, bills, scripts for movies and plays they'd worked on, and several very pointed, very direct letters specifically aimed at their parents. Turns out the person's mom was quite the piece of work. Yikes.

Normally I do that too. But I paid $60 for two Airport Extremes, two 2006 Mac Minis and one Late 2009 Mini. This was a little over a year ago, so the other two Minis and the AEs have been sitting around. The L09 Mini I pulled the drive and simply swapped in MY SSD from my Early '09 Mini (and replaced the one in that with it's old HD).

It was obvious when I got these Macs that the seller (a MR forum member) didn't want his personal data exposed. All the accounts on all three Macs were/are the same with the same password, an acct created precisely to allow me to create my own admin acct and remove the other. And creating a new account for ME and then deleting the other acct wiped anything off that I'd consider compromising.

Unless of course you are into storing your personal data in the Applications and Utilities folders.

I didn't want to go through the hassle of wiping and installing SL again so I reasoned this would be enough. Haven't found anything yet, although I have not looked at the other 2006 Mini. The SSD I pulled is 80GB so pretty much worthless to me (although it has a nice metal case).

Had this been an eBay purchase I'd have wiped it though. All it took was one run-in with someone's dick pics.

 

[TheShortTimer]

You're a lot more trusting than I am. Whenever I get a used computer / hard disk / SSD / USB drive / etc. I wipe it clean. Never know what nasty surprises may exist on used storage media.

You've just given me flashbacks to nasty surprises that were discovered on used computers in the past. Aside from dubious data there's also the risk of malware - which was nearly always a certainty when I bought Winboxes.

To expand on your philosophy, nowadays I routinely replace the HDD of any used computer that I purchase because I have no faith in their life expectancy: someone was using that drive on a regular basis before I received it and who knows how badly it was thrashed? I've had drives in used computers die on me, produce SMART warnings, develop bad sectors and become unusable within the blink of an eye. I'm not spinning that roulette wheel anymore. No pun intended.

Also the RPM's on the HDDs of used computers are usually mediocre and replacing them with a faster unit provides a noticeable performance boost.

Not even that, I just don't want to know what's on a given machine when I get it.

I remember one time I bought a MacBook and it had some pretty personal stuff on there - private photos (nothing compromising!), resumés, letters, bills, scripts for movies and plays they'd worked on, and several very pointed, very direct letters specifically aimed at their parents. Turns out the person's mom was quite the piece of work. Yikes.

As I mentioned before, I found the carcass of a dumped PC in my neighbourhood with its HDD intact and still operational. I'm glad that it was me who salvaged it and not an identity thief (or worse) because they would've had a field day with its contents.

Had this been an eBay purchase I'd have wiped it though. All it took was one run-in with someone's dick pics.

I've had similar experiences, unfortunately. What has been seen, cannot be unseen...

 

[eyoungren]

To expand on your philosophy, nowadays I routinely replace the HDD of any used computer that I purchase because I have no faith in their life expectancy: someone was using that drive on a regular basis before I received it and who knows how badly it was thrashed? I've had drives in used computers die on me, produce SMART warnings, develop bad sectors and become unusable within the blink of an eye. I'm not spinning that roulette wheel anymore. No pun intended.

Just commenting on this…the other reason I didn't bother is because of the five total Minis I now own, these last two are the least I care about. Not that I want to trash them or anything, but if both blew their LBs tomorrow it's not anything I'd be upset about. I took the entire lot of that purchase I made SOLELY to get the Late 2009 Mini.

I've already got one Airport Extreme and a better 2006 Mini with a larger hard drive. I'm just fooling around with the other stuff.

 

[bobesch]

So, may have mentioned many months ago that in the transaction I made that netted me the Late 2009 Mini was also two 2006 Minis, Snow Leopard only. The only difference between the two is that one has an 80GB hard drive and the other has a 60GB hard drive. Both are 1.66Ghz. Both are slower than my very first Mini, which is inside the house and serves as my download server.

Tonight I set up the 80GB Mac. Easy to do because the seller had simply created a generic admin account and deleted his old acct. I simply created my own admin acct. and deleted the generic one.

As you can see, it's online and running headless.

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The real Room Of Requirements! 😍
Is that a Nimbus 2000?

to follow the discussion:
getting hands on an old Mac (especially with os9) and it's original settings and Apps is really exciting for me,
cause I like to see, how configuration was at the time, when the Mac has been in real use.
I always try to locate and remove any personal files of pre-owner(s) without touching the content.
Finally, maybe after having recovered some App-Gems, I tend to wipe the drive and go for a clean install. But not always, depending on any unique configuration.
Once I was lucky to find a 40€ Tangerine iMacG3, that was pre-pre-owned by an art-school. Great to review the works of students, (non-functional) network-links, all the os9 stuff in a time-capsule. That smart way of establishing networking with os7-9 is really amazing - especially when comparing to my own Win98SE at that time...


So far I had no bad experience with pre-owned IDE/SATA spinning-drives. I wouldn't continue to use them as the system- or data-drive on a mission-critical machine, but they do serve well for clone-backups.
Since the size of harddrives increased rapidly, I always try to create clusters of Master- and CloneCopy-Partitions having the same size.
Even a 80GB drive has enough space then, if only dedicated to System and Apps, as long as Data are placed on a separate partition.

 

[eyoungren]

The real Room Of Requirements! 😍
Is that a Nimbus 2000?

LOL! No. That's an old bargain store Halloween purchase. Probably about 20 years old though.

 

[Tratkazir_the_1st]

I wipe it clean.

I ususally connect foreign drives to SAS controller & use built-in FORMAT DRIVE option . Nothing survives after this, I believe .

 

[m1maverick]

I ususally connect foreign drives to SAS controller & use built-in FORMAT DRIVE option . Nothing survives after this, I believe .

I use dd myself.

 

[840quadra]

My Kitchen 4th generation Apple TV is essentially frustrating to use at this point possibly due to it being under powered (I think this was the case new too), or just too old. Plus the fact that those devices are simply too limited in what they can do and display.

- No browser
- YouTube support dropped
- Homekit controls
- no iMessage or other notifications.
- Just slow, takes ages to authorize TV shows I own, and it is ultra slow at browsing local media shares.

I have had a 2008 MacBook pro 15" (Dual graphics unibody) since the week of Steve's keynote and it essentially lived on the kitchen counter to be used for YouTube to Airplay to my TV, look up recipes, and watch other videos while I was cooking.

Today I decided (yes I need to do some cabling) to unplug the Apple TV, and simply connect the laptop I always use anyway to my current Kitchen TV.

Couldn't be happier so far with the change and less clutter (laptop) on my counter space. Just need to de-clutter the cables a bit after my test period is over. For now I will deal with the mess .

Am a touch worried about thermal conditions on this as the discrete GPU gets this thing hot when watching HD content, but hopefully the cooling pad I installed below it will help with this a bit. Either way, it is putting a legacy system into 100% daily use now.

Bonus for this laptop, the IR port works quite well with the Apple remote, so that can stay in the Kitchen is works great for basic controls!

 

[GMShadow]

I swapped out the spinner in my 2009 17" Pro for a 1TB SSD last night. Triple partitioned and got 10.6 installed first, then used that to make a 10.14 installer drive, which took longer than I expected. Only had time to test it to boot and install a few apps, so I'll fiddle with it more tonight.

This was my "it's late, my phone's already charging, I'll grab the iPad for a quick celebratory pic" snapshot. 😄

 

[chaosbunny]

I finally had time to install OCLP Montery on the wifes Mac mini Mid 2011. Seems to perform quite well so far and now everything is more or less up to date again. She uses the machine for office, mail, browsing, etc ... so nothing fancy. I hope that Mac mini will do its job for another couple of years. She doesn't share my passion for computers so the slowest part sits in front of the device most of the time anyway.

 

[bobesch]

I swapped out the spinner in my 2009 17" Pro for a 1TB SSD last night. Triple partitioned and got 10.6 installed first, then used that to make a 10.14 installer drive, which took longer than I expected. Only had time to test it to boot and install a few apps, so I'll fiddle with it more tonight.

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This was my "it's late, my phone's already charging, I'll grab the iPad for a quick celebratory pic" snapshot. 😄

I would always install the main-OS onto the first partion, a data-partition into second place, all other additional/experimental into third place (that could be separated into more partitions), and have a tiny 12GB partition as the fourth/last partition that is meant for the patcher.
So the third partition (additional OS) could be added to the data-partition, if you run out of space.The last "Patcher" partition allways stays in place to have a restore/repatch-option at hands.

 

[bobesch]

My Kitchen 4th generation Apple TV is essentially frustrating to use at this point possibly due to it being under powered (I think this was the case new too), or just too old. Plus the fact that those devices are simply too limited in what they can do and display.

- No browser
- YouTube support dropped
- Homekit controls
- no iMessage or other notifications.
- Just slow, takes ages to authorize TV shows I own, and it is ultra slow at browsing local media shares.

I have had a 2008 MacBook pro 15" (Dual graphics unibody) since the week of Steve's keynote and it essentially lived on the kitchen counter to be used for YouTube to Airplay to my TV, look up recipes, and watch other videos while I was cooking.

Today I decided (yes I need to do some cabling) to unplug the Apple TV, and simply connect the laptop I always use anyway to my current Kitchen TV.

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Couldn't be happier so far with the change and less clutter (laptop) on my counter space. Just need to de-clutter the cables a bit after my test period is over. For now I will deal with the mess .

Am a touch worried about thermal conditions on this as the discrete GPU gets this thing hot when watching HD content, but hopefully the cooling pad I installed below it will help with this a bit. Either way, it is putting a legacy system into 100% daily use now.

Bonus for this laptop, the IR port works quite well with the Apple remote, so that can stay in the Kitchen is works great for basic controls!

Wouldn't You be able to stream/mirror display from the late200815"MBP to the 4thGenATV via Airplay too?
On the other hand You do save a lot of energy by using the mini-display-port/cables and retire the kitchens 4thGenATV AND You can stream/have ScreenSharing from the MBP to both kitchen-monitor (cable) and TV (Airplay) simultaneously.

To keep the MBP cool and out of harms way (liquid damage) my favorit gadget is an iLapStand or an mStand.
To keep the keyboard tidy and protected I use ultra-thin (Mediadevils™) TPU-covers on all Unibody-Macbooks and Aluminum-keyboards.