I wouldn't call any HDD fast since I've worked with an SSD.
Waiting for a TB enclosure though, the speeds are significantly better than USB3.0 (Up to 900mb/s)
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What if they dont do away with the uMBP line, instead they just add Retina to it?
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Waiting for a TB enclosure though, the speeds are significantly better than USB3.0 (Up to 900mb/s)
So you don't think they know about Optibay yet???
As for #3 what kind of stance is that? They still have it available to this day in their non-slimline models like the retina or the air.
Why would they show you how to upgrade ram and HD in the booklet that it comes with?
This is a huge selling point for their computers because they almost died out in the pre iPhone era for being to uncustomizable.
They have us upgrading ability for a reason.
They know about it, but it isn't a reason for them to keep a whole line of computers around. It isn't something that they advertise or support.
Pretty much all of Apple's newer designs (Air, Retina MBP, 21.5" iMac) are coming without user upgradeable RAM. It seems like a clear trend to me. If anything the user upgradeable RAM and hard drive would be a reason to keep the non-retina MBP around as-is.
Huh? The big change from the "Apple is failing" days to their recent success was not to add more customization. iPods, iPhones, iPads, Macbook Airs, etc. are very much not customizable.
When Steve Jobs came back their product line went from a huge array of different customizable product lines to a few core lines that covered what most people needed in standard configurations.
Again I could see the upgradeable Macbook Pro sticking around for those that really need it, much like the Mac Pro has stuck around. I don't see them doing a bunch of work to make the 'thick' MBP more exciting and future looking. Adding a retina screen to the existing design would just result in a computer that's thicker and heavier, and has worse battery life than the RMBP.
i'd buy one - tiny solid state drives are for sissies, big solid state drives either do not exist or are for yuppies that don't care to pay the absurd prices... most I've seen is 750 anyway.
I have 1.5 TB of internal storage here, sometimes I toy with the idea of lowering it to a FUD but nah
I have 1.5 TB of internal storage here, sometimes I toy with the idea of lowering it to a FUD but nah
But 2Tb SSDs will come, probably within a year and at a sensible price within two. Retina display costs will also fall significantly within that timescale. At that point, the reason to retain two MBP lines grows quite tenuous.
Personally, I'm also hoping that as Retina screen yields improve and prices fall, a Retina MBP 17 will become feasible, but as I upgraded to the last of the MBP 17s and expect it to remain usable for 3-4 years at least, I don't need to hold my breath for that.
Personally, I'm also hoping that as Retina screen yields improve and prices fall, a Retina MBP 17 will become feasible, but as I upgraded to the last of the MBP 17s and expect it to remain usable for 3-4 years at least, I don't need to hold my breath for that.
The 21.5" imac does have user upgradeable RAM. It's a pain in the ass to get to the RAM but it's upgradeable.
The 27" imac has RAM slots that can be opened from the outside.
The 27" imac has RAM slots that can be opened from the outside.
Huh? Apple doesn't offer dual storage drive upgrades on any of their portables, at any price.
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You can upgrade the RAM in the 21.5" iMac, as well as the hard drives in both iMac models, but those things aren't considered 'user upgradeable' by Apple. You could have your warranty voided by doing so.
I know about Optibay. You said that Apple doesn't advertise it because they want people to "buy it overpriced from them".
Apple doesn't sell any such upgrades themselves, so that doesn't really make any sense.
As for the importance of what Apple considers "user-upgradeable", it matters a lot when you're trying to understand what Apple will do in the future.
If they are making things not officially user-upgradeable then that means that Apple doesn't really care about users being able to upgrade those items themselves. If Apple doesn't care about users being able to upgrade things, then they probably aren't going to put a lot of effort into preserving that functionality when the obvious trend is towards thinner and lighter notebooks.
I'm not saying that a 15" super upgradeable Macbook Pro with a retina display wouldn't be cool, just that it isn't realistic to expect Apple to make one for all of the reasons I've given in this thread.
Youre thinking like a consumer, not an owner.
In business there are certain "passive" elements that you consider when you set up your prices and services and you have to think in terms of variety of user base and what different categories of consumers want and need.
Especialy Steve thought like this. They knew that if they have an "unofficial" ability to upgrade it will attract a lot of the important pro-sumer customer base. The type of tech savvy users who research and understand all aspects of a product and browse message boards and overall do their homework before purchase. They dont need to advertise officially to these people. Just give them the logistical options and the market will understand.
Now as for the mainstream, they dont know, and what they dont know wont hurt them. Meaning... they can keep it expensive and imply that their "official" version is the fastest and most dependable and even tho its not the case, the implication is there and millions will fall for it. So it does no good to make Optibay official, because then millions more than need to know, will now know about third party upgrades.
And thats kind of the game that business play. They let the pieces fall where they may and they can predict what the most profitable pricing and marketing configurations will be.
They get the most money from mainstream consumers, and they dont lose any tech savvy consumers. Everyone is happy (and happily unaware) so then its a good paradigm to be in for them.
Do you understand how it works now?
All you keep saying is like a good little consumer that this is and isnt official and so on and so forth but they are a lot more clever than that. Not everything is or needs to be straightforward when profits are on the line.
So your connection to some "official" attitude is just missing the point. Its all about money and profits.
OF COURSE they dont advertise Optibay.
But they definitely know there are people out there who bank on it and they care about maximizing success and a big part of their success comes from their pro-sumer "it computer" standing. Its what helps their reputation in a passive way because tech savvy consumers are who the mainstream emulates even if they dont know why. They know this is what we use and it must be quality, so they use it too.
So they are smart enough to be wary of not alienating that workhorse base too much.
The slim products are not neccesarily replacements, but alternatives and "Facebook Machines."
Just one music package: Komplete 8 is a 250GB install on top of Logics' 50GB install.
Thats already a third of their biggest SSD drive on a Retina.
What am I gonna do with that little bit of space? What about HD film editing?
Give me a break. I cant work with only one SSD drive thats ridiculous.
When they bring the next gen retinas out, with a lower price point, there's a strong chance that the cMBP will be discontinued IMO.
true, but no single ssd can hit those speeds. the sata III interface maxes out at about 500 mb/s
They are going away, either the next revision or the one after.
The "uMBP" will never receive a Retina disiplay.