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It seems like both operating systems have matured now, and there isn't likely to be major changes until iOS and OSX combine...

iOS certainly is NOT matured. When's the last time you tried typing a research paper while referencing various online articles. Having to constantly swipe back and forth just to finish a single quotation is absurd and represents a failure in the productive abilities of the OS. As a phone OS it is certainly full featured, but until Apple implements some form of multi-app view multitasking, the iPad will be a play toy compared to a laptop.
 
So Apple just launched Mountain Lion, a great OS, but definitely underwhelming. It's lacking in any major features and doesn't feel like a major OS release used to feel, it felt like a 10.7.5. Major ones being Notification Center, Dictation, AirPlay?

So the excuse is that Apple is focusing more on iOS (i don't buy it), so if that's the case then why is iOS 6 also equally so underwhelming? Upgraded Siri, Maps, and a few little tweaks here and there?

I don't know if i'm the only one here, but i'm really wondering what Apple is doing if both of it's major OS' provide such underwhelming upgrades?

I'm looking at Android and others and it seems like they're the ones taking risks and pushing the envelope. Now, i'm not planning on leaving but it's still frustrating.
Name one thing about android that's 'pushing the envelope'
Google took a year to release a siri clone on JB; they also took 5 iterations of android to remove lag; seems to me that google is still the 'follower'. :rolleyes:

To me, iOS 6 and ML are two important steps in finalizing the iCloud experience that was introduced last year. BTW, I have yet to see a cloud experience that is as seamless as apple's yet.

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MOVING WALLPAPERS, MAN! :p

oh boy, those dandelion and water drops! oh and and..they are DESIGNED FOR HUMANS :eek:
 
Everyone keeps saying that iOS has matured and that there is not much more for them to do with it. How come us people on this site always come up with all these great ideas that would work well in ios and a lot of people like the (widgets, more features in the notification center, more useful features in Siri, a better YouTube app that actually works well, away to tell Siri to turn on your Bluetooth or 3G more overall customization) I am sure you guys have even more ideas...so why can't apple do some of the stuff the way people want them to.

Because Apple is not trying to be all things to all people.

Or don't buy any hype at all? :D There was a lot of hype around Mountain Lion too, if I'm not mistaken.

As for project butter, call it whatever you want--it's just semantics. Fact of the matter is you and every other iOS user in the world touted the buttery smoothness of iOS as a major advantage over Android. It's only natural that they inform people said advantage no longer exists. They're a company, what do you expect them to do? Take the bad product imagery lying down? They're a for-profit company the same way Apple is.

"They let me use my voice to (insert action done on smartphone traditionally by hand here)". See how easy it is to belittle things? :eek:

I don't see where your discussion of Google Wallet and NFC security is going, but I'm just going to point at the multiple security flaws iOS has too :cool:

Agreed on the last part though. Apple really has a magic touch to make things stick. They're not without their own failures of course, but I think they succeed the majority of the time.

I do respect the gambler approach that Apple takes. They swing for the fences when they believe they've got something good going. It's this conviction and a willingness to bet it all which has propelled Apple to its current status.
 
For an iPhone 4S or iPad 3 owner...iOS 6 is amazing.

For everyone else there's nothing special...

-no FaceTime 3G for iPhone 4
-no turn-by-turn direction for iPhone 4

Still...
-no FaceTime group chat
-no new Notification Center widgets
-no Siri 3rd party IAP
-no new UI change (same ol' icons)
 
iOS certainly is NOT matured. When's the last time you tried typing a research paper while referencing various online articles. Having to constantly swipe back and forth just to finish a single quotation is absurd and represents a failure in the productive abilities of the OS. As a phone OS it is certainly full featured, but until Apple implements some form of multi-app view multitasking, the iPad will be a play toy compared to a laptop.

Honestly, are you being facetious?

1) four-finger swipe, Copy & paste, done.

2) What kind of multi-app view do you hope to see on a 9.7" screen with a keyboard covering half of it? Don't you think this is a limitation of the hardware, as opposed to iOS?

3) How are Android or WP8 any more advanced in this area?
 
ML wasn't supposed to be huge update like Lion since it is only year from release.

Look on the animals..

Snow Leopard -> Lion - big change
Lion -> Mountain Lion - Still lion, but changed a little bit :D
 
Not everything Apple does sticks nor it works. Thats marketing.
How many times did I come to a genius bar or Apple because my iPhone wasn't working as it should be.. wait.iPhones which is the iPhone4 and iPhone 4s that I owned. I got a mac this june 2012 and first thing it did was freeze. They didn't have to blame chrome as I thought it just works kind of thing. Don't get me wrong, I love Apple and their products but I don't think they can use "It just works" anymore cos everything they release has 1 annoying thing that bothers me. Like the ipad3 we got which "just works" like a toaster and heats up your hand and makes you sterile.

"It just works" doesn't mean that Apple's products are perfect. For the record, every single Apple product I have owned has had to be replaced at least once, and some cases three times. But that's just a part of life- mass manufacturing processes won't be perfect until we're willing to spend $5,000 on a base model MacBook Air. At least with Apple, I can simply walk into their store no matter where I purchased the product and get the defective product replaced for free.

Regarding your specific complaints- iPhones, iPads, and MacBooks are all complex computing devices. There is no possible way to prevent these devices from ever having problems and freezing on occasion. Again, "It just works" is not a promise of perfection- it's referring to the fact that Apple products are often simpler to use and maintain than competing products.
 
"It just works" doesn't mean that Apple's products are perfect. For the record, every single Apple product I have owned has had to be replaced at least once, and some cases three times. But that's just a part of life- mass manufacturing processes won't be perfect until we're willing to spend $5,000 on a base model MacBook Air. At least with Apple, I can simply walk into their store no matter where I purchased the product and get the defective product replaced for free.

Regarding your specific complaints- iPhones, iPads, and MacBooks are all complex computing devices. There is no possible way to prevent these devices from ever having problems and freezing on occasion. Again, "It just works" is not a promise of perfection- it's referring to the fact that Apple products are often simpler to use and maintain than competing products.

well said, and that's exactly why apple still holds the highest customer satisfaction relative to its competitors in many of its product categories.
 
Honestly, are you being facetious?

1) four-finger swipe, Copy & paste, done.

2) What kind of multi-app view do you hope to see on a 9.7" screen with a keyboard covering half of it? Don't you think this is a limitation of the hardware, as opposed to iOS?

3) How are Android or WP8 any more advanced in this area?

1) Neither Kindle nor iBooks allows users to copy/paste from copyrighted text. I said research paper.

2) Again both Android and Win RT are managing. How on earth did anyone ever run more than one program on screen on a netbook? Many did, and netbooks even had significantly less resolution at the same screen space.

3) Android (through third party framework) supports multi app viewing. Win 8/ Win RT supports splitting the screen between metro apps. They are not more advanced per se, its that both Android and Win Metro force developers to code for more variety in screen resolutions; therefore both OS's are more conducive to varied app screen real estate.

I'm guessing you have very meager needs out of computers. For someone like yourself, you could probably also manage with but only one application at a time on a desktop computer as well. Please don't assuming the rest of us have equally as basic needs.
 
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What more do you want them to do with OS X?

  • They have added support for iCloud across the full range of their devices.
  • They've added support for a wireless display system that does what Intel has been claiming they would do for the better part of a decade.
  • They've added deep ties to social media.
  • They've added a notification system that is easily accessible while staying out of the way.
  • They've added features to dozens of apps, including their browser, messaging, and iLife.
  • They've improved memory usage.

On iOS 6:

  • They've added turn by turn navigation.
  • They've updated Siri to be more useful.
  • They've brought Siri to the iPad.
  • They've added Facebook integration.
  • They've created Passbook to help consolidate information and memberships
  • They've added quick messaging replys to the incoming call screen..
  • They've redesigned a number of the built-in apps.

Yearly updates mean that most years will see incremental improvements. Refinements on the existing system.

What's broken that you think they need to change?

I totally agree with everything you just listed. If they slow down (like they are) then we will see a whole slew of features each year.
 
I'm guessing you have very meager needs out of computers. For someone like yourself, you could probably also manage with but only one application at a time on a desktop computer as well. Please don't assuming the rest of us have equally as basic needs.

No, I don't actually, but I don't expect a tablet to replace my computers (which is why I don't own one). Yes, it is possible to view more than one app at a time on a little netbook, or small Win8 or android tablet, but why you would want to is beyond me. That would just make everything that much more of a pain to deal with than it already is on a tablet.
 
No, I don't actually, but I don't expect a tablet to replace my computers (which is why I don't own one). Yes, it is possible to view more than one app at a time on a little netbook, or small Win8 or android tablet, but why you would want to is beyond me. That would just make everything that much more of a pain to deal with than it already is on a tablet.

Again because you cannot conceive a purpose does not mean others cannot.?. Does iMessage really need the entire screen? I would enjoy keeping conversation going while also surfing the web on an iPad. There is still a fair amount of rendering that haults when you exit an app in iOS, therefore the swipe multitasking still exhibits occasional lag.

Imagine holding an iPad in landscape position, with two thirds of the screen displaying an app like Safari and the remaining third displaying an app in iPhone formatting. With the prevelence of +Universal apps, its possible that iOS on iPad may at some point allow multi app viewing by dynamically switching between iPad/iPhone resolution versions.

I'm not trying to start a fight. It simply doesn't make sense to me though that someone would claim that the OS on the iPad has little potential for advancement... Apple will unlock more potential when they feel the time is right, hardware wise and strategically to maintain market dominance. To assume iOS 6 is the pinnacle of iOS is very short sighted.
 
LOL

Voice Input to google search is groundbreaking huh?
While the back end is not in my ancient 2.3.3 Gingerbread operating system, I was still surprised to get Google Search results in a format very similar to Google Now. Besides that, speech to text using a web based servers is smalltime. It only really becomes impressive when it is offline.

By the way, I wanted to know what the weather was like in Mexico City. They are getting a lot of rain.
 
While the back end is not in my ancient 2.3.3 Gingerbread operating system, I was still surprised to get Google Search results in a format very similar to Google Now. Besides that, speech to text using a web based servers is smalltime. It only really becomes impressive when it is offline.

By the way, I wanted to know what the weather was like in Mexico City. They are getting a lot of rain.

www.weather.com
 
Don't forget that it also gives you directions and ETAs! :rolleyes:

You say that while rolling your eyes, but you do realize that the iOS that is currently in public release by Apple doesn't do that (without paying for relatively expensive apps).

Google Now does a lot more than just allow voice searching and directions.

In its current form, it isn't a gamechanger. But as it improves, it certainly could be. Sort of like Siri. Not really significant due to its flaws at the moment, but as it evolves, it could change the way we use phones.
 
That works too but I rarely get to use the Google Search button on my phone. I just asked what the weather was like down there and the format was very Google Now-ish.

Frankly, there are certain services that I am much more fond of when it is browser based on not platform based.

Well yeah. If you search "What is the weather like in New York?" on Google on your computer, you'll get EXACTLY what you see on Google Now; the little weather picture thing at the top (outlined this red in the attached photo) and then search results below that. Of course it doesn't get read aloud, but even on your computer or phone browser you get a Google Now-like format without using Google Now.
 

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You say that while rolling your eyes, but you do realize that the iOS that is currently in public release by Apple doesn't do that (without paying for relatively expensive apps).

Google Now does a lot more than just allow voice searching and directions.

In its current form, it isn't a gamechanger. But as it improves, it certainly could be. Sort of like Siri. Not really significant due to its flaws at the moment, but as it evolves, it could change the way we use phones.

Which is why I use Waze (which is free by the way). In iOS 6, I'll use the Maps app. My point was that what it does is nothing special and isn't new.
 
Which is why I use Waze (which is free by the way). In iOS 6, I'll use the Maps app. My point was that what it does is nothing special and isn't new.

I use Waze as well, though not actively. I just do passive traffic reporting. I assume all iOS 6 users will be doing that when Waze is integrated into Maps. That has some serious potential, but I'll reserve my judgment after I use it for a bit.

Waze doesn't really do directions and ETAs very effectively. It is better for seeing traffic, construction, police traps, etc. It is also not a particularly pretty app. The mapping is pretty poor in it and it feels pretty cluttered. Hopefully with the iOS integration, it will run like a champ.
 
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