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What is it With the Recent Influx of N00bs?
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Intell
macrumors P6
I hath been summoned by thy name.
There's more to building an OS for a whole different architecture than that. Apple would have to rewrite most, if not all of the kexts to support PowerPC. They'd have to do testing and support the machine's hardware in stores. Look at the TenFourFox blog about what it takes to get a comparitivly simple program like Firefox running on a PowerPC Mac. There's a lot more to it that "-arch --ppc --ppc64".
eyoungren
macrumors Nehalem
<SIGH>
I am reminded of President Clinton asking for the defintion of the word "is."
Sure…I mean "can" as in the sense of the user taking an install disk and installing Mountain Lion on a PowerBook/PowerMac. Aside from the fact that ML is an App Store download and that no PB/PM can run the App Store app anyway, this is what I am meaning.
Your arguments aside about what is possible and what is not possible the simple fact is that you cannot currently insert a OS X install disk into an off the shelf PowerPC based Mac, boot from it and install it. Entertaining for the moment the theory that it is possible had Apple allowed it, they didn't and it's that fact right now that most people who pick up a cheap Mac nowadays run into and get upset about because they didn't do their homework.
I'm not dealing in possibilities or theories, even if they may or may not have merit. I'm dealing in what the reality is right now at this moment.
rabidz7
macrumors 65816
The kexts would not have to be completely rewritten; apple already has kexts from leopard.
They could just make it a completely unsupported platform. It would be a lot better than not being able to easily use OS X.
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Intell
macrumors P6
Lion's kexts are Intell only. Apple would have to rewrite all of 10.8's kexts to include PowerPC support and write kexts for PowerPC only systems and hardware. PowerPC hardware is already complete unsupported. Nothing will change that.
rabidz7
macrumors 65816
Intell
macrumors P6
Leopard and Mountain Lion is a very different kext structure that is not compatible. Hence, the required rewrite.
rabidz7
macrumors 65816
Intell
macrumors P6
That is why we need a Guide for Not Posting Your Inane Crap. That way, when someone does post inane crap, we can just ridicule them and point to that thread.
Let's not make this thread into what PPC Macs are "powerful enough to run." I don't care if the PPC can technically run ML. I haven't even seen a good attempt to make it run Snow Leopard. So that's enough of that!
I think PPC Macs are great. I got into them because I was broke, but am staying because I really enjoy them. I gained the guts to mess around with the system folder, Safari's code, individual apps' code to hide stuff from the dock, using GeekTool fairly often for fun, and otherwise just USING my computer more than I ever have before simply because I want my last big monetary investment to continue doing what I want it to for as long as possible. I never did any of that stuff(except GeekTool) on my Intel Macs.
I think PPC Macs are great. I got into them because I was broke, but am staying because I really enjoy them. I gained the guts to mess around with the system folder, Safari's code, individual apps' code to hide stuff from the dock, using GeekTool fairly often for fun, and otherwise just USING my computer more than I ever have before simply because I want my last big monetary investment to continue doing what I want it to for as long as possible. I never did any of that stuff(except GeekTool) on my Intel Macs.
rabidz7
macrumors 65816
I am saying that apple should release OS X for PPC. I do not think that is illegal.
Intell
macrumors P6
They are required by law to give it some level of support or make it fully open source. Something Apple doesn't want to do.
It's not noobs its people who either :-
a. Use their mac in a work productive environment (video production etc) where time is money. They are CORRECT - for THEM or for use in this environment a PPC or any older slower machine is no good at all to them.
b. They are fully signed up Apple fanboys and/or gadget manics who just have to have the latest and greatest (I have a tendancy for this but with age I have got better at fighting it and spending my money on some of life's far more important things). They scorn anyone on 'old tech' because it just isnt cool..to them 😉
In time I realised a few things...
i) There is no greater comedown than buying a new PC/Mac. You get to trembling fever pitch walking in the store for that AWESOME iMac or way-too-cool iPhone5, you get home barely able to control yourself - set it up (all good so far) and start installing/setting it up the way you want it - the way your old machine/phone etc was set up... Next day, you look at your shiny new purchase and think....'*****, did I really spend $##### on this? It's just like my old one only a bit faster for a few load heavy processes i hardly ever do (and probably arent time critical anyway) and now I've set it up it even looks exactly the same.'
ii) A thing I think most of us on here agree on, if your machine does what it needs to for you then there is no need to spend a fortune on a new one.
Spend it on holidays, your wife/gf, children, family home repairs... etc 😉
Also please lets not degenerate this forum into a "Intel s*cks balls!" kind of place - I couldn't care less who made the CPU in my machine, a faceless greedy corporate animal like IBM, Apple, Intel or AMD just so long as it does the job and is designed with some passion, which in fairness I think ALL Macs are 😀
a. Use their mac in a work productive environment (video production etc) where time is money. They are CORRECT - for THEM or for use in this environment a PPC or any older slower machine is no good at all to them.
b. They are fully signed up Apple fanboys and/or gadget manics who just have to have the latest and greatest (I have a tendancy for this but with age I have got better at fighting it and spending my money on some of life's far more important things). They scorn anyone on 'old tech' because it just isnt cool..to them 😉
In time I realised a few things...
i) There is no greater comedown than buying a new PC/Mac. You get to trembling fever pitch walking in the store for that AWESOME iMac or way-too-cool iPhone5, you get home barely able to control yourself - set it up (all good so far) and start installing/setting it up the way you want it - the way your old machine/phone etc was set up... Next day, you look at your shiny new purchase and think....'*****, did I really spend $##### on this? It's just like my old one only a bit faster for a few load heavy processes i hardly ever do (and probably arent time critical anyway) and now I've set it up it even looks exactly the same.'
ii) A thing I think most of us on here agree on, if your machine does what it needs to for you then there is no need to spend a fortune on a new one.
Spend it on holidays, your wife/gf, children, family home repairs... etc 😉
Also please lets not degenerate this forum into a "Intel s*cks balls!" kind of place - I couldn't care less who made the CPU in my machine, a faceless greedy corporate animal like IBM, Apple, Intel or AMD just so long as it does the job and is designed with some passion, which in fairness I think ALL Macs are 😀
The iCan or the cheese grater? 😀
Wobegong, I understand that most pros need a more powerful machine but people who say that they can't even do simple web browsing gets on my nerves.
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Being a noob on this forum I can agree 100%. I, for one, love the PPC for what it is and it works for my needs.
eyoungren
macrumors Nehalem
I think what tampasteve is trying to say is that he agrees with all of the comments above and that even though he's a noob, he's not asking stupid questions or making stupid uninformed comments.
Just chiming in with his opinion on the matter I think.
If you got that already, then nevermind. 😉
rjcalifornia
macrumors 6502a
Nameci
macrumors 68000
I am sorry, but a powerpc mac is my main machine back home. And now back to a powerpc mac at work.
My current needs are light and I can get away with less powered mac with my present workflow.
Or maybe, just maybe I still see value on older stuff that I hate to put into waste. There is some kind of uniqueness to it with the powerpc macs, some kind of individuality. For example, an iBook compared to an MBA. For sure the MBA looks nicer and have more grunt than an iBook, but the thing is still a beauty to behold even if it is obese compared to the MBA. My wife likes to use the iBook than my MacBook and does not really fancy the thin MBA. H3ll I even told her to give away my PM G4 1.42DP with a matching Acrylic ACD and pro speakers and she's mad at me for even thinking about it. I gave her the intel mac mini so I can facetime with her, she doesn't like the mini either. I set it up with 22" alu ACD so it would look nice and will catch her fancy and that I could get her off the iBook. It stayed untouched for months before I wrapped it up and boxed it and put it on the drawer. To the iBook she goes back.
Now its, either iBook or quad G5 for her at home.
See my sig? I had intel macs too. I don't hate them, I just don't need them. Intel mac mini is on a drawer for storage. My macbook is on the bag, again for storage. In terms of fanaticism, I am a moderate, in the middle. If I have a need for the horsepower, I will still have my MP. Use whatever rocks your boat. But saying that powerpc macs are not so relevant on the present times is just so uninformed.
Volkstaia
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Lil Chillbil
macrumors 65816
My opinion on Powerpc has changed so much over the past year since I was happily and by choice running a 400mhz g4 tower and powerbook g4 baseline 12inch. But then the retinas started to come out later in the summer and I remember that everyday I would meet up with one of my mates for lunch at hometown buffet. I brought my powerbook and it worked just fine for internet and youtube under leopard and he brought his powerbook and he thought it was great. But then his birthday came round and he got himself a brand new baseline macbook pro retina. It was so thin compared to my already thin allu pb, and if you put them right next to each other and looked at the displays there was just no contest. So it was at that moment that I 1st started thinking about going intel, but the macs were too damn expensive in the $500 range for one used (I was looking on craigslist.) I eventually settled on a g5 2.0ghz with 6 gigs of ram a nice 128-mb graphics card and more than 4x the space as my powerbook. It was a screamer on tenfourfox, and the 23inch plastic cinema display was magnificent.
I used this setup everyday for 3 months and since I went intel I have never been happy with my setup, always comparing it to the rest of the worlds speed and not whether or not it met my needs.
nowadays I use a Chromebook
I still meet my friend for lunch everyday and he brings his powerbook...
I used this setup everyday for 3 months and since I went intel I have never been happy with my setup, always comparing it to the rest of the worlds speed and not whether or not it met my needs.
nowadays I use a Chromebook
I still meet my friend for lunch everyday and he brings his powerbook...
Nameci
macrumors 68000
But its kinda funny, if I have these macs because of my needs, then why so many of them? They all work, most of them are used by my kids. Pretty lucky they are they have a variety of computers to can get their hands on.