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No it wouldn't. The Wacom sells in tiny volumes compared to the iPod Touch.

Perhaps the number of Wacom Cintiqs sold has to do with the price? If Çintiqs were priced exactly the same as a iPod Touch do you really think they would sell at the same volumes as that do when they cost 2x , 3x, or 4x more? You think the Touch 32GB volumes are anywhere near the Touch 8GB volumes?

You can buy a MacBook for as much as a Cintiq costs.
 
television

Apple is going to undercut the cable companies.

My first post. please be gentle.
 
ebook fxn doubtful

The tablet should subscribe to magazines and other online content. Deliver news and email, as well as organize pictures. If it videochats, that would be amazing. Presentations and papers would also be good target, but I have a hard time imagining writing a 5-10 page paper on a touch keyboard. I don't have much of an opinion on wi-fi vs network, but looking at the iphone, I'd be hard pressed to see anyone willing to take MORE of a load than the iphone per device. In the end, I see it as a fun, full touch screen, pumped up netbook, done the apple way. It will be awesome for those who need it (like the Air), but not impressive for much of anyone else.

The tablet will not be an ebook reader. To be a viable ebook reader, it needs at least the battery life of the kindle. It needs to last for days, not hours. This is impossible on an active screen as far as I know. Also, any type of lit screen is not conducive to reading for long periods of time.

I am very impressed with e-ink. I think it looks good. I played with the kindle, and my one wish with the tech was that the screen was more responsive, and a touch screen. Now THAT would be awesome way to go. 7 days of active battery life: touch screen, ebooks, papers, essays that can be read with ease, a keyboard of some type, basic picture/movie in that old school grayscale, chat, email...it would be awesome.
 
The Tablet will be utilized mostly as a 24/7 internet anywhere notebook as well as a kindle killer.

It's need a 3G connection to be the success that I am thinking of... When LTE (4G) rolls out, the connection speed will make this tablet replace your computer in many cases for the average user. Maybe some on-the-go video conferencing as well...

Verizon or AT&T will have to be involved for its long-term success!
 
go find a 2 lb weight in your garage and hold it for 15 minutes, see how long you last.

Or how about take 2 lb weight. Rest it at on a flat surface and hold it and see how long you last. There are numerous places where you can displace a substantial fraction of the weight rather trivially without resorting to any kind of built-in or attached stand.









Will you use it to surf the web and read/write email?
Have fun with that one.. Do you plan on holding it with one hand while typing granny style with the other? Or maybe lay it down on a table or surface and type with both hands, but now your neck is going to be getting strained from looking strait down,

perhaps because you don't have to look straight down. Besides here is an experiment: take a paper and a pen/pencil and write something. Is your neck traumatized beyond recognition? Didn't think so.





Were are you going to store it when your traveling?
Since the main purpose or idea behind this device is portability, Were are you going to carry it?

Serious? Another experiment go to any business district or college campus. Tell me you don't see folks with no instruments to carry a slate/tablet. Will you be able to whip it out on a trip to the mall, perhaps not. However, that is hardly a required constraint.



I would much rather purchase a slower macbook air,
Funny how first trying to purpose that it is equiv to a mackbook air that at this point need to shave the price point in half.
That would be one of the differences between it and an air, the price.
 
There are billions more people who do not own either a iPhone or MacBook(anything) than do. Puzzling why the tablet discussions here spend so much time revolving around folks who have already maxed on on Apple products.

If that's aimed in response at me, I'm not revolving around the idea that Tablet buyers already have all the other Apple stuff. What I am suggesting is that a lot of the market for this Tablet probably already has some other stuff like laptops (not necessarily from Apple). If the Tablet comes out at the price points I believe (probably $799+), I wonder if the world beyond Apple fanboys and those that need the latest & greatest cool gadget is going to beat a path to Apple's door on this one. I'm still not grasping what makes this a "must have" gadget, on par- say- with a computer (desktop or laptop) or maybe the iPhone/iPod Touch.

If the objectives is to get to the masses of people on the planet ... Apple needs another device.

Absolutely... so is this Tablet it? And if it does roll out at $799+, is it it?

Think about it. Was the iPhone aimed as a "must have" for all Mac Users? Not really.

To me, the iPhone seemed a more obvious "hit" at the time. People had been clamoring for years for a better cell phone, an iPod with cell phone features or a cell phone with iPod-like music playback. iPhone hit fairly close to several sweet spots- all packed into one device. Timing was good. The iPod wave was winning a lot of attention. Pricing was great for an Apple product (not thinking too much about the total price with the contract). And so on.

I guess I would say, iPhone looked much more "must have" just prior to launch than this Tablet seems to be. And the Tablet is probably not going to be as accessible price-wise.

If the iSlate/Tablet has a mobile data card in it they most folks would buy one or the other. One of the biggest impediments to Tablets has been price. Tying a "more expensive then would like" to a incremental data plan has worked wonders for the iPhone. No reason it would not also work for a Slate/Tablet like device.

Maybe, but this somewhat depends on many making an either-or decision: either an iPhone OR a Tablet, as you don't get both products subsidized without 2 cellular contracts.

My guts say it is going to be an interesting- "wow"-like product- until pricing is rolled out, and until people start stepping through applications vs. kit they may already own. Big burst of sales at first, and then it may fade (more like the Air vs. the iPhone). But, what do guts know? Maybe Apple has something to wow the crowd (just hard to imagine exactly what that is based on what we know now- even with some of the wild imaginings within this and similar threads).
 
I am yet to understand the need/use of Apple tablet!

Usually, I am very excited about apple products but this time I am in fact worried for the "Tablet". I hope it's not just a bigger iphone!

I fully trust Steve Jobs vision and capability but as a techy person I really don't see a market for this tablet! I hope it does not end up just like "Macbook Air"!

You will.
 
Apple is going to undercut the cable companies.

My first post. please be gentle.

Welcome, and probably all of us hope that Apple can undercut the cable companies. But, it is important to remember through who's pipes the data to feed Apple's devices flow. And the owners of those pipes really like the lucrative revenue- and profits- of their cable/satt businesses "as is." They'll strong arm content providers that try to do a better deal with Apple, and, worse-case, they'll simply charge more for Apple content to get pumped through their broadband pipes (blaming the upcharges on higher volume of content like video) to end users like you and me. What is less likely to happen is that these massive corporations will just roll over and let Apple take the bread & butter of their cable/satt program distributions businesses... certainly not when they are also in the broadband business (which is probably why many of them are in the broadband business).

I certainly hope you are right. But don't expect cable/satt Goliaths to just roll over and lose billions of very dependable revenues to some kind of new programming distribution option from Apple.
 
Welcome, and probably all of us hope that Apple can undercut the cable companies. But, it is important to remember through who's pipes the data to feed Apple's devices flow? And the owners of those pipes really like the lucrative revenue- and profits- of their cable/satt businesses "as is". They'll strong arm content providers that try to do a better deal with Apple, and, worse-case, they'll simply charge more for Apple content to get pumped through their broadband pipes (blaming the upcharges on higher volume of content like video).

I certainly hope you are right. But don't expect cable/satt Goliaths to just roll over and lose hundreds of millions of very dependable revenues to some kind of new option from Apple.

For this to happen Apple better get the News channels and stations like Food Network on board.
 
I am yet to understand the need/use of Apple tablet!

Usually, I am very excited about apple products but this time I am in fact worried for the "Tablet". I hope it's not just a bigger iphone!

I fully trust Steve Jobs vision and capability but as a techy person I really don't see a market for this tablet! I hope it does not end up just like "Macbook Air"!

What markets hasn't Apple transformed?

They haven't really gotten into TV yet. They've been in negotiations with TV networks recently.

Will they do for Time, Newsweek, and other dead tree publication that the Kindle is doing for books? They can deliver full color content and embedded video.

Expanding on the gaming we see on the Touch and iPhone.

Textbooks for Secondary and College.
 
Gruber had a great insight when he said that there wouldn't be a single killer app for this but that it would succeed by being useful for a number of different applications.

I'll add to the many posts preceding that the physical form of the tablet will be as important as the software. Somehow Ives will have designed this to be wonderful to hold in your hand. It will be sturdy though thin (think unibody) and have a strong enough glass surface to resist breaking.

Personally I think this will be a great complement to a larger MBP or iMac. It is easier to carry, takes less space when using it. When you get home (or maybe over WiFi) you sync this with your larger computer and your backups (Time Machine or whatever). Mostly this will be an output device for playing back movies, sound, Keynote presentations, PDFs, other documents either directly or through an external projector. Perhaps you could use an external keyboard but most creative work will be done on other devices and displayed here.
 
We've heard about the whole "wow" factor of the interface –*the part that's presumably different from anything we've seen. Assuming that's correct (that there will be a "One More Thing" of shininess to it), then what could it be?

We've seen gestures, we've seen nicely responsive touch capabilities, we've seen coverflow, we've seen drag-stuff-around-with-finger. What haven't we seen?

To my mind, it's either it's the 3D eye-tracking stuff; or it's something based on how the tablet interacts with other users and/or the world.

Here's where it gets "out there" for my point. I just saw Avatar recently. In one scene in the lab/bridge/control-room, techs and crew are walking around. Some are tied to 180º displays, others are walking around with tablets running similar programs. One of the crew walks past one of the big displays, and "grabs" some data off of it and slides it onto her tablet. Completely non-chalant, completely run-of-the-mill for her. I, however, was blown away. I immediately thought "that's how the iTablet has to work".

So, what if the tablet not only has gestures for itself, but for surrounding devices. What if there is a way to transmit and receive proximity and directional queues from other Tablets, phones, notebooks? If that were the case, then you could "slide" or "throw" documents to devices (and the people using them) with gestures in their directions.

Similarly, what if you could "grab" a file/video/song off of your buddy's iMac (using camera to track, maybe?), and throw it onto your Tablet as you walked by it?

Think about a boardroom, or classroom, or living room with that going on.
"Hey Bill, where's that report from last week?"
"*slide* There you go buddy."

"Hey man, what was that sweet video you were watching?"
"*toss* That the one you mean?"

Yes, the same job can be accomplished via any number of other methods, but most require typing (IM, FTP, passwords, etc.). If there's one thing people probably won't love doing on the Tablet, it's a lot of typing. If you could "toss" a youtube video, why open IM and copy/paste the URL?

The device could basically have a live, on-the-fly "trust this device" notification –*even turning on the cam to show your buddy holding it –*and the transfer would take place via any available method. No logging onto a network, no manual Bluetooth pairing. Just literal drag-and-drop.

Sorry for the long-winded post. Just thought it was a snazzy, Apple-esque idea :D

PS- To add a little conspiracy intrigue. Avatar has been huge about co-branding with a bunch of companies and devices. What if the drag-drop scene (or other cool interface scenes) are actually based on a preview of the iTablet James Cameron was allowed to see for that reason? In other words, when the "wow" interface element is shown, people will be saying "Holy sh*t! That's just like in Avatar!" - or for that matter, any interface-heavy film; like Minority Report.

Hey Steve I like that song!"*squirt*"Here you go!
 
For this to happen Apple better get the News channels and stations like Food Network on board.

Something like Food Network shouldn't be too complicated, but live programming like news & sports is going to be a tough problem to resolve. For local live (news & national network sports) programming, they can build in an internal "rabbit ears" type solution, but for cable live programming like Fox News, TNT (NBA), ESPN, etc, it is going to be much more complicated (or picture quality is going to be tied to the width of the broadband pipes/wifi (or preferably wimax)/cellular network) where the watcher is located at any given time. Is the U.S. wireless infrastructure ready for pretty high quality streaming live programming? (I think not).

Streaming video on little, tiny cell phone screens is one thing (heavy compression can somewhat fool a person into thinking they are seeing a decent picture). Blow things up to a 10-inch screen- apparently one capable of 720p resolution- and highly compressed live streaming video is going to really show it's warts. The solution to this problem is mostly outside of Apple's control, much like Apple can't make AT&T turn on a feature like tethering until AT&T decides it's network can support it. Don't even think about asking someone like AT&T or Verizon to stream live, 720p HD video.
 
The tablet will not be an ebook reader. To be a viable ebook reader, it needs at least the battery life of the kindle. It needs to last for days, not hours.

Do you continuously read zen poems in a woodland glade for days on end?

Why couldn't you just plug it in at night like the rest of us?
 
I actually predict the Tablet thing to be a failure. It will sell loads, but as a device will fail. $500 or more for something just to read your magazines or newspapers on? And these will no doubt require some sort of subscription.
May make an interesting gaming device but what's the point in that? You've got the iPhone and iPod devices for that plus games consoles and PC's flooding the home market.

Will it be another Macbook Air or Newton?

The iPod was successful as it was a complete package for easy digital music, the iPhone followed on with the apps store and of course it's OS design. What can a Tablet do that's value for money or not been done already?
 
I actually predict the Tablet thing to be a failure. It will sell loads, but as a device will fail. $500 or more for something just to read your magazines or newspapers on? And these will no doubt require some sort of subscription.
May make an interesting gaming device but what's the point in that? You've got the iPhone and iPod devices for that plus games consoles and PC's flooding the home market.

Will it be another Macbook Air or Newton?

The iPod was successful as it was a complete package for easy digital music, the iPhone followed on with the apps store and of course it's OS design. What can a Tablet do that's value for money or not been done already?

Come on ... No one has seen it, no one had tha chance to use it. If you can get iPod Touch for 200 bucks and play games, listen to music and watch videos browse WWW and do number of other things just think what you could do with 10 inch device which costs lets say 600. There is no way it will fail. It will for sure have one or more KEY features to boost the WOW effect.


Or better we could just wait and see. There is no point in guessing.
 
Who will be needing a MBA when we have the iSlate?

Macbook Air 01.15.08 - 01.26.10 R.I.P.
It became the notebook equivalent to the Cube. Everybody admired its unique design but only a few actually bought one. With the release of the unibody MB/MBP 13 and the competition from cheap hackintosh netbooks the MBA has already lost much of its selling points.

If you seriously compare MBA to a "cheap hackintosh netbook", you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

But I would love to see how iSlate will replace an MBA.. Can I comfortably type on iSlate while laying on a couch? Will it run VPN client to let me remotely access my company's network? Can it read USB-SD card from my photo camera? Will be it locked down to App Store and "Apple-approved" craplets, a' la iPhone? If the answer to any of these is "no" - then no it won't replace my MBA.. not even close!
 
The Store...

The iStore will not be fully successful unless it has very robust file recognition.

iTunes succeeded in large part because it made the transition from physical media everyone had (CDs) to digital media, very, very easy. Grandma could put in a CD, and it would go onto her computer without a fuss. Then, she could go to the iTunes Music Store and buy an album. Both would live happily side by side, and she wouldn't have to worry about what was what.

With iTunes movies, there wasn't nearly that support - you can't rip your own DVDs straight into iTunes - and it hasn't been as successful as iTunes music. Without a third-party, quasi-illegal app, you can't turn your DVD collection into an iTunes-managed digital collection.

Now, I know that's not fully Apple's fault, as the studios have fought hard against ripping DVDs. But.

If Apple is going to use this tablet as an e-reader, I feel that it has to accept open/common text/image formats alongside the proprietary/DRM formats likely to come from publishers in its ecosystem. IOW, I need to be able to put a PDF book I create/scan/download right along side a book I buy from iBookStore. Also, it would be wonderful if it could parse formats from other providers (eg Kindle - though I realize that's not as likely).
 
What can a Tablet do that's value for money or not been done already?

The answer to that question you can find on this website.
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You just have to read it carefully and there you have it.
http://daringfireball.net/2009/12/the_tablet
 
If they can solve the keyboard problem...

People never thought they could text without a physical keyboard. Until the iPhone came out.

Today people don't think they can do regular computing without a physical keyboard.

If Apple can convince people that they can type on a virtual keyboard, then Apple can sell a no-keyboard device that replaces a notebook computer.

That would allow them to price this thing at $800-$900, because that's entry level for MacBooks anyway.
 
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