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I wonder if it's possible to switch from a regular screen to some kind of e-paper display for reading? Otherwise, not too excited about reading books with it. Probably wishful thinking.

I would dearly love to see function similar to the Pixel Qi technology that so many people have mentioned in all of these tablet discussions. This technology allows for users to toggle between a color "e-ink"-like display and regular LCD display.

Apple may be gambling that the "look" of paper isn't vital to the success of an e-reader. I just don't know.

But what I know from my own experience is that I have never read anything more than a short story on my laptop-desktop, and in the process never once felt as immersed in the story as I often feel reading using a traditional source (paper).

I have not found it enjoyable. My eyes squint a bit to compensate for the bright background, and it would be accurate to say that I find screen-reading (LCD) too uncomfortable to make a habit of.

I would have already bought a Kindle, were it not for its restrictive DRM.
 
They say those who say it in the simplest way, say it best.

This is again proven here.

Excellent post.

But nothing was said. I can think of a million things that have a unlimited possibilities. The Tablet might also let me time travel.

The dried bark of a Maple Tree may someday cure Alzheimer's.

That sort of trite attempt at profundity gets no one anywhere at all, and certainly doesn't add to the discussion. It's so much smoke up the a z z.

I'd rather read 100 different posts describing WACOM functionality in their own slightly different, unique ways.

Then read a nothing post that's trying so hard to say something.
 
It won't be just, merely a 10 inch ipod touch.

It is not possible that this new Tablet to be just a 10 inch ipod touch.

If it is, Apple would just launch this product like 2 years ago.

I see no point why it would takes so long for Apple to come up with a redundant product.
 
Im my honest opinion, An apple tablet will be nothing more than a hot selling mistake. While im sure Apple will sell a bunch when released, This will be because most people have never really used a similar device so they dont fully understand its realistic use.

People think long and hard about why you want a tablet and how you will use it?

Will you use it to watch movies on the go, maybe in the car, maybe on a plane?

How are you going to position it? do you plan on holding a 2-3 pound device in an upright position for 1.5-2 hours? go find a 2 lb weight in your garage and hold it for 15 minutes, see how long you last. Now your response to this may be "yea but there will be stands made for it". Doesn't caring around a stand defeat the purpose of having an ultra portable device? plus the macbook air comes with a stand built in that also has a keyboard on it.

Hardcovers can weigh significantly more than two or three pounds. Yet people have managed them well enough for generations upon generations. And with a tablet, I could hold hundreds, thousands

Will you use it to surf the web and read/write email?

Have fun with that one.. Do you plan on holding it with one hand while typing granny style with the other? Or maybe lay it down on a table or surface and type with both hands, but now your neck is going to be getting strained from looking strait down, Plus if you have some were to lay it down, why not just use a netbook or macbook air? Its easy to type on the iphone because you can use both thumbs, with this, you can not.

One hand is all you're going to need for the Tablet when surfing the internet. Why would I type anything at all when I can just point and drag and click with my finger? Gesturing on this tablet will completely change how we interact with the internet.

Sure, there will be the odd address that will need to be typed in. Sure, short searches will need typed in order to be googled.

Or, we may have some seriously awesome voice recognition. One person said previously that there could be a voice recognition app similar to iTunes Genius. Our voices, as we use the software, are uploaded to the great database in the sky, and the software learns and learns the various dialects, timbres, tones, speeds, accents, with which people communicate verbally -- so that it begins to work flawlessly. This requires some imagination to visualize, but a little dreaming does the body good.


Were are you going to store it when your traveling?

Since the main purpose or idea behind this device is portability, Were are you going to carry it? it wont fit into your pocket like an iphone, Its going to be the same weight and rough dimensions of a macbook air, so why not just buy an air? an air is no less portable.

I'll store it in the same bag I used for my laptop -- only it will be lighter.

A talet will simply give us all of the portability of a macbook air with all of the restrictions of an iphone, so whats the point, it doesnt bring out the "best of both world" of these 2 items, but the worst of each. If Apple makes this product, it would be a big mistake.

Grandiose prediction. Let's talk again in early February. Of course, I'm ignoring the obvious question -- why would you possibly make such a statement when you don't even know what features it will include? I'd respect a statement like this much more if it ended up being correct. Currently, it simply reads as foolish.

And of course I hope you're wrong about everything. Looking forward to a paradigm shift in home computing/consumption.
 
What is the ultimate role of the Apple tablet?

To do what the also-rans couldn't: take the tablet into the mainstream.

The tablet will be the first form factor specifically tuned for consumption of media. Content consumption. Music, Movies, Books, Photos, Internet, Email. The larger screen is key here, and why I consider the tablet to be the first, and not the third (after iPhone and iPod Touch).

This will be the first form factor that relegates content creation to another computing device altogether. Maybe we'll see an iWork lite. But that will be it.

iPhone and iPod and Tablet = Content Consumption

All other products = Content Consumption and Content Production at a higher price point.
 
Ever since I got an iPhone, I've been using it more and more for home use (web/email/facebook/etc) instead of the laptop. After spending so much time on the iPhone OS, using the traditional mouse and windows interface feels really fussy and overcomplicated by comparison. Just trying to click on tiny little close boxes, etc. Sure, for serious work there's no substitute, but for most tasks, I could easily see a scaled up iPhone/iPod touch being really great.

I've never understood why Apple's close boxes have to be so d a m n small.
 
For all of you that don't understand the need for an iTablet go watch some reruns of Star Trek the Next Generation. They had such devices in the shows that were mainly a replacement for books. Like the Kindle of course.

For Apple to pull this off this device needs to be razor thin so maybe an 1/8 of an inch or so. Most likely it'll have an aluminum enclosure for structural strength. Edges rounded and an all glass face with no buttons at all. There will be no adaptors as the device will be wirelessly charged save for a headphone jack. The device will turn on by simply picking it up from its charging pad. It'll only turn off when charging yet the battery life will be over 24 hours (books are always on so will this device be).

This device is meant to replace paper so expect it to be treated as so. Steve Jobs goal here, much like Bezos', is to obsolete the printer where it should have been done a decade ago. In that respect look for this device to have the most leading edge display technology (i.e. OLED) yet be able to read fine in direct sunlight.

That's all I can say. ;):D:cool:
 
For all of you that don't understand the need for an iTablet go watch some reruns of Star Trek the Next Generation. They had such devices in the shows that were mainly a replacement for books. Like the Kindle of course.

Which worked fine on Star Trek because everyone only had to pretend to use them.
 
Apologies for quoting myself, but I finally have time to expound on this.

Apple's tablet will do many things, and it will do many of them surprisingly well. The larger format, greater battery life, and speed boost will, in themselves, be an attractive upgrade for many over an iphone. Gaming will especially be a big draw, but other apps will benefit and I can see the possibility of a new class of apps come to market that otherwise wouldn't work on a small screen or without better graphics hardware.

As for ebooks - yes, it will make Kindle buyers feel a bit foolish, though this won't be Apple's primary push. The tablet will provide a truly rich reading experience that the author/publisher can design, including interactive content. It will make the Kindle look like a 17" b/w TV in an age of 60" LCD HDTV's. It's not that the tablet will be that revolutionary; it's just that it will make people realize how absurdly limited something like the Kindle is. The web experience will likewise be better thanks to the larger format, but also greater speed. There is a market for "bathroom" browsing, and Apple knows it - they just also know that this isn't a killer feature that by itself will sell hardware.

The killer app will be geared toward print media. Think iTunes for magazines and newspapers. The print industry is in a world of hurt, and they're desperate for a solution. That's the kind of problem that's really attractive to Jobs & Co. The idea is to have an incredibly rich media viewer which gives the publishers five things - a subscriber model, remarkably inexpensive distribution, artistic control equal to or greater than their print products, interactivity, and a better ad product to sell - ads that can capture the reader's attention far, far better than any banner ad ever could. Make no mistake, this isn't just a new distribution channel for them - Apple is giving them a chance to survive. And a very attractive chance at that. It's an enormous opportunity, and unlike the TV space, Apple should be poised to take control of the market just as they did with music.

What Apple will get in return is a cut of the subscription and ad fees, which will be used to subsidize the purchase price. Those who think this will carry a $1000+ price tag are way off. Apple will set the price according to the market, but I'm suspecting it will be in the $200-$500 range.

So, if this is true, Apple is looking at the possibility of a huge new revenue stream in the form of ad dollars, which of course paints a big target on Google's money machine. That's why I say Google's moves in the mobile market are defensive - they know where Apple is headed and they're scared.

Yes Yes Yes.

How many of the geeks here have heard about the "vook"?

The vook is at least one book publisher's answer to the book. Rather than just read a book, it will include author interviews, enhanced content like videos interspersed with content (primarily for non-fiction books), even a musical soundtrack that the author might choose for various soundtracks.

I can't stress enough how utterly primitive the thinking for this kind of media consumption currently is (vook reading). It will certainly evolve, and the consumer will dictate what succeeds and fails. Hopefully the first fail will be the newly coined name.

After all, the name is stupid. But ultimately, an e-reader, whether or not it's the tablet or some other not-yet created consumption device, will transform print media like MTV did our consumption of music. I refer to the old days of MTV, not the trash it currently peddles.
 
A tablet... what a dumb idea. An unguarded screen, a display that's not big enough, a device that's not small enough to just grab and take with you... if this thing comes out I predict it will be popular with the small population of people who actually give a crap about it and then it will die out. It won't be good enough to replace a macbook, and too big (and pointless) to replace an iPod touch or an iPhone. It will be a bastard device with a cult following.

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It would go totally against how I normally use my books. I leave them in the car, I leave them in my bag. I read them for 8 hours on a plane, then 2 in an airport. I read them on road trips. I leave it open while writing a paper at the library. I like the immediacy of opening a book and reading, so an ebook would need to be always on, or instant on. I might take it to a foreign country. Part of the reason I am take books over ipods/phone my book doesn't need cables, power,and can be reasonably mistreated. I also don't like reading backlit screens for long periods of time, so e-ink is it for me for books. And if my book needs to be plugged in, why not take a DVD player, or anything else? If I used my iphone like I would an ebook reader, it would fail when I needed it most: long trips and marathon sessions.

I'm sure one will be able to read ebooks on the Apple tablet. But will it take the world by storm and replace books? I doubt it. But ebooks kind of suck now anyhow.

My point was this: ebooks are a niche market. If someone wants to make it a big, new thing, they need what I described earlier (this is what I want).

If they want to take Amazon's cheese, the Apple tablet just has to be an ipod/computer you can comfortable read on, with a touch screen. While its not what I want, I think this is what will happen.

So it won't be what I consider a "real" ebook reader.

Seriously?

1. The Tablet could use a combo lcd/e-ink-like display (Pixel Qi). There was a decent rumor about this not too long ago. Your first paragraph is entirely anecdotal and based on your needs, and assumes at its core that your needs are everyone else's needs. If I had an ereader, I would have far more books in a much smaller base that are primed for reading, and it would be on me all the time -- in the same bag where my laptop used to be. You say you have a bag. Will it be too small for a Tablet? If you don't use a laptop in the first place, haven't seen the need for one, then you wouldn't be Apple's target for a Tablet. I can't imagine desire for use in foreign countries will be a barrier for long -- if it's ever a barrier at all.

2. E-books might "suck" now. I suppose it depends on what you want an e-book to be. This device is very likely a harbinger for a complete paradigm shift in how we consume print media. E-books will evolve, and evolve very quickly. To label this a niche market only is very, very short-sighted indeed. I'm looking forward to reading the New York Times, my local paper, and Macrumors at breakfast, eating Cheerios with my right hand and gesture-turning reading pages with my left hand.

3. I'm not understanding what your idea of a "real" ebook reader would be. You make it the final point of your post, yet you haven't described it.
 
DEFINITELY agree with Gruber and MacRumors that, to be successful, the Tablet OS can't and won't simply be a scaled up iPhone OS or scaled down Mac OS. Can't wait to see what it will be!
 
It is not possible that this new Tablet to be just a 10 inch ipod touch.

If it is, Apple would just launch this product like 2 years ago.

I see no point why it would takes so long for Apple to come up with a redundant product.

Exactly, you totally nailed it. The tablet experience must/will be different.
 
No Mac OS on the tablet.

Seriously I don't know why at this late time people still think Mac OS would be the operating system of choice. I'm pretty much convinced that the device will have an updated UIKit from iPhone for using facing apps. As to the lower level OS it is for all intents the same kernel as Mac OS.

Now that doesn't mean iPhone OS 4 or the dirivative used on the tablet won't borrow from Mac OS. I fully exspect the low level improvements like GCD and OpenCL to be ported over. The hand writing is pretty much all over the way in that respect. The next generation of Imaginations GPUswill support OpenCL apparently due directions from Apple. From the ARM point of view the new cores are extremely powerful and are designed for SMP systems.

So what will change? Spring board and management of the apps. For one support of multitasking is needed. As others have already indicated the new Dock on the Mac would be a good choice. Though I could see other possibilities I could see Apple trying to keep the interface somewhat like that on the Mac. This is the part of the OS that I think most people object to but it is also the part Apple can change any way it wants. The key here is that apps are not the operating system.

As to the Tablets role I still believe that it will be primarily a consumptive device. It is not the place to write War and Peace especially if it is only a touch tablet. Anybody with any experience with touch screens would quickly reject the idea that word processing on a touch screen will ever be acceptable. Now alternative input technologies may address that so hopefully there is some stock in the rumors about new interaction methods.

Still consumption will be the primary usage method. Frankly for many of us it works fine. It is basically the usage pattern of the iPhone and often the usage pattern of laptops on the road. Oh by the way I consider simple E-Mail generation to be consumptive for the most part in that you are using a service.

As to replacing a notebook my iPhone has had a significant impact on my need for a laptop. Given the right feature set a tablet could completely replace it. That right now is my greatest concern because it would be easy for apple to deliver a feature set that is to limited. So the potential roles it could fill are entirely dependent on features delivered.

Dave
 
More than this..

To be honest, the Amazon ebook reader was never really going to make much ground because it does not and will not provide the reader with a rich enough experience to 'immerse' the reader with the authors content...
if it's what I expect... the author along with animators and graphic designers with all contribute to a new found vision of readable and experienced media from this and other tablet form factors to follow...

e-paper is best suited to cheap scandal rags from newscorp which are bland and tasteless publications which deserve nothing more than toilet usage for their low brow content.

Media tablets are for savvy, av ante guard individuals who've moved out of the swamp slurry long ago than those glued to fox news or newscorp media outlets... :D
 
On the USB note...

I don't see why the tablet couldn't have a "ledge" or indentation to allow USB devices/cables to be plugged in without sending them jutting out into snap-off territory.

My TV is 1.2" thick, but still mounts totally flush to the wall with a bunch of cables attached; because it has a recessed space for them to be. I think the Tablet could have a similar setup.

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I'm just wondering how the machine will be protected... we all know what happens to the back of iPod/Phones when there isn't a case. Plus if it has a huge on screen keyboard, it will be filled with fingerprints quickly.
 
Why not?

DEFINITELY agree with Gruber and MacRumors that, to be successful, the Tablet OS can't and won't simply be a scaled up iPhone OS or scaled down Mac OS. Can't wait to see what it will be!

I can't wait either.

However I don't buy your view on an upscaled iPhone OS. It would be very easy to add to IPhone OS SDK and the associated Frameworks. A couple of new input methods, support for new hardware and a few more controls and you are golden.

As to the long development time that everyone is using as an indication that there is a massive new OS coming, I think that is a mistake. Every indication is that hardware is what has generated the various delays. ATOM on the device was a failure, then the iPhone distraction came, soon after came the PA Semi purchase all of these primarily hardware issues. Of course changing hardware generates it's own software issues. We also can't forget that iPhones OS and apps came from a tablet project at Apple. IPhone is most likely a subset of that OS, so with a little imagination you take a guess at what the whole looks like.



Dave
 
Why do people bring this up as a content consuming device? No one in their right mind is going to pay $700 + monthly data plan for that.

Maybe you should try to think a bit outside your own situation. Only on this board here there are plenty of people willing to shell out that kind of money, only based on the most conservative predictions.

And a dataplan? I wouldn't need one. A wifi connection is enough for me. I'm in the neighborhood of hotspots all the time. It would be enough to deliver my subscriptions.

The possibility to have ALL my magazines on hand ALL the the time, would not only clear up a lot less clutter in my place, but also ease a lot of boring moments waiting for the bus, on planes etc..

str1f3 said:
I said customers will consider it cost prohibitive because they will weigh it against a more powerful laptop.

Exactly, and that's the reason why this tablet should be functionally so much different from a laptop that this comparison will simply not happen. I don't have a complete answer how to do this, but a restricted OS something like a souped up iPhone OS (v4) sounds definitely like a step in that direction. IF it will be introduced, I'm convinced that it is more in the direction of a large iPod Touch with more elaborate media features and magazine and e-book functionality. Forget about photoshopping etc. and full blown OS X..
 
It would be nice if they won't make it from plastic and I mean no plastic at all, maybe a little piece where the wifi will be but that's it, hoping for a nice sleek anodized aluminum unibody design :)
 

...a matte screen, I'm not buying it: just as I have not purchased any Mac that comes with a screen, and have relegated myself to minis with non-Apple screens. I won't pay extra for a matte screen because I don't need one for graphics work.
The result: I went from having 5-6 Macs down to two minis and my wife's MPB.
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Well capacitive touch screen technology only works on glass so you have two choices: never use touch screen, or get used to glossy screens! Every mobile phone has a glossy screen, CRT monitors had glossy screens, I don't know why people pretend glossy screens are something new and bad. Matt screens have only been around since flat panels have been around, so that's like a few years ago. Before that, no one ever complained about their CRT monitor reflecting everything behind them.
 
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