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God I love it when someone pulls up an earlier thread and makes someone else eat crow. :D

More entertaining, he not only eats crow, he crows about it afterward. :)

I love the irony that he responded with another off-topic and predictable post. ;)

But, we're stuck in an infinite loop here, so /EOT.

You initiate the off-topic post.

You're called on your typical hypocrisy.

You're defense is that the response was off-topic.

Priceless.
 
More entertaining, he not only eats crow, he crows about it afterward. :)



You initiate the off-topic post.

You're called on your typical hypocrisy.

You're defense is that the response was off-topic.

Priceless.

And you think you are right. Priceless. Which is the hypocrite? the one that calls someone else a hypocrite while being a hypocrite? or the one that doesn't seem to care about being called a hypocrite?


edit: ^ doesn't make any sense. carry on. : |
 
And you think you are right. Priceless. Which is the hypocrite? the one that calls someone else a hypocrite while being a hypocrite? or the one that doesn't seem to care about being called a hypocrite?

Too bad I'm not the hypocrite here.

edit: ^ doesn't make any sense. carry on. : |

You're quite right about that - your rant makes no sense at all. :)
 
Which one was it again?

I assume he means the following - but somehow he failed to comprehend that I didn't initiate the OT, but was commenting on the previous post:

Better hope the display is sweat-resistant. ;)

I hope Ballmer does the moonwalk when he introduces it.

The obsession of Windows users with Apple customers is truly baffling. There are only a few rational explanations:...

The obsession of some Apple users with Microsoft's CEO is truly baffling. There is no rational explanation.

My post is OT, but it's following the topic of an OT tangent that I did not start.
 
Another tangent that I joined, but did not start ;) ....
At first glance yesterday I thought Windows 7 solitatire was being transmitted wirelessly to the display. That is until second glance that I saw the Gnome logo. I for one welcome our wireless HDMI display tablet overlords. Eventually...

I wonder what the problem is with Solitaire if it creates such ire to mention it.

The Lenovo Hybrid is a step in the direction that I want. I was rather impressed that it pulled the URL of the page you were viewing over to the tablet's browser in seconds. You don't have to give up x86 and your keyboard. You can go to your slick ARM Linux with multitouch on the fly. You don't lose your browsing experience either. ;)
 
Another tangent that I joined, but did not start ;) ....

Oh no?

You clearly got the ball rolling on that one.

KnightWRX's original post was primarily focused on the new Lenovo Hybrid laptop/tablet, with a mere reference to solitaire.

You, in effect, initiated this off-topic tangent:

Have you tried Solitaire under Windows 7 - it really is a game changer!


;)

Your claim to have merely joined this off-topic episode is purely comical.
 
I wonder what the problem is with Solitaire if it creates such ire to mention it.

Small minds, unable to understand that a bad pun like calling a new version of Solitaire a "game changer" (with a smiley, no less) means that the post was a joke....

If you really want to get those guys riled, just say "floppy drive" (and then duck).
 
Small minds, unable to understand that a bad pun like calling a new version of Solitaire a "game changer" (with a smiley, no less) means that the post was a joke....

If you really want to get those guys riled, just say "floppy drive" (and then duck).
Smilies are serious business.

Lenovo still appears to be aiming for the ultraportable market instead of the netbook one. The size is small but you get CULV Core 2 Duo. Intel is really crippling the Atom platform with the DMI and PCIe nonsense. If I was looking for anything Atom based it would be a HP Mini 311. ION gives you enough power for video playback even on the big screen and it's portable.

The Acer Revo comes close at $199 for an ION LE nettop but XP is so 2001. The newer builds of XBMC with the improving GPU video playback acceleration are of interest. It's all about low power HD playback now and supporting MKV.
 
OK, so if only a 10.1" version is available, and how we carry it about is in a Timbuk2 bag, then we go right back to why this vs. a (seemingly more powerful) laptop that we can carry around with just about the same full mobility, in that same bag, and through which we should be able to consume that same (new iTunes) content, and so on.

I'm getting jumped here (my favorite was "haterade") because I'm actually genuinely interested in the thing (I haven't yet purchased an iPhone or Touch because I find them too small for my size). I am a huge Apple fan, and I own a lot of Apple hardware. My iPod is nearing retirement as is my Powerbook G4. So here's a device that could probably fully replace that iPod... and maybe (but I imagine less likely) replace that notebook in my equivalent of a Timbuk2 bag, as a smaller, thinner, lighter package. I think that makes me a bona-fide, great prospect for this Tablet.

So I'm asking questions trying to get at an answer for the thread's original question. From one group, I'm getting answers (mostly) to other questions such as all the benefits of print media going digital, and how much easier/better it is (somehow) going to be to consume this content on a (smaller) screen instead of a screen with a hinge and a keyboard attached. While several of those kinds of points make great sense, very few of them depend on the availability of a Tablet product to be realized. The best of that bunch gets down to modest benefits such as maximum portability, always-on convenience, cool, thinner & lighter, etc. (great stuff no doubt, but is it great enough to move the mass market to spend (my guess) $799 or maybe the $1000 rumored from a more connected source.

On the flipside, there is this other group who sees no purpose for this thing at all... often because whatever they have for their own needs should be perfect for everyone else too. For example, this thing shouldn't have 3G functionality as an alternative to the iPhone because the iPhone should be the only phone... or they have an iPhone and don't want to pay for iPhone hardware in another device (so no one else should be interested in that functionality either). But I don't have an iPhone and if this thing could cover that base for my needs then it would be much more appealing to me ( a very tangible benefit to help support whatever the price might be). And interestingly enough, some of these same people think a price for this Tablet just a bit above an unsubsidized iPhone is nuts, so they want the rich wonders of this device at a significant discount vs. the smaller-screened iPhone, such that they are dismissing the most obvious way to get the low pricing (and still pay Apple what they really want in TOTAL for this device)... the option for someone else (AT&T, Verizon, Tmobile, etc) to chip in a good chunk of Apple's total price.

If 10.1" is it, it collides with the choice of "take the laptop or take the tablet?". It seems much less likely that someone will throw BOTH into the bag, if they don't want to carry 2 bigger screens when either one can do most of the jobs. In my imagination- even if it is really a "wow"ing device- unless I can do the work I do on it just about as efficiently as what I do on the laptop, I take the laptop and leave the Tablet at home (or don't buy the Tablet at all). If I have to also pack a- say- bluetooth keyboard with the Tablet to approximate that popular mode of getting work done (producing content), then it's not as "thin and light, etc" when all the pieces have to be included in the bag (why not take the probably more compact laptop?).

Do I think 10.1" would be great for content consumers? Absolutely. Bigger is definitely better for consuming a movie, TV show, reading print media gone digital, etc. I just find it harder to imagine the broad market appeal of buying a Tablet if the vast majority of benefits can be realized on other iTunes-connected equipment we might already have... certainly not like the obvious market demand ahead of an iPod and iPhone. Maybe all this wonderful new content will be exclusively available to the Tablet owners, which then would be another tangible reason to need/want a Tablet and potentially justify why you might want to throw both it and a Laptop in the bag. But that would then come with its own headaches for Apple, and all these new content producers would seem to want to be able to sell all this new content to the millions of iTunes users already in place, not just the Tablet buyers to come.

To each his own- as it should be. I'm still hunting for a great answer to the thread's original question, qualified by a best guess at price for whatever the Tablet imagined will cost. The best I've seen that does both in more than a 1000 posts is Rocketman's post several pages back. It basically makes the Tablet very appealing by using the razor blade model: give the shaver (Tablet) away and make all the money on the blades (content/connection). I do believe THAT would "sell" a LOT of Tablets even with the issues I've pointed out above.

A tablet will replace my Macbook Air. I don't need it to be smaller than the Air necessarily. I'll own it to capture notes and experiences more organically.

Granted the front-page has an article on Qualcomm's inability to produce GSM/CDMA chips I doubt we will have 3G access from AT&T or Verizon. WiFi will be our savior and it will be feasible as the FCC opens up more under the current administration.
 
Gesture Learning Curve

Whilst waving my hands tonight in front of a sensor-driven paper towel dispenser, I thought this is how the new tablet will work -- by mid-air gestures as well as on the screen. We'll enlarge images by pulling in the air, shrink them with a quick finger pinch above the screen, brush documents away, pull them out of the air, and like magicians, point to a spot for instant actions.
The learning curve may also be for the machine, figuring out how to read my mind.
 
Whilst waving my hands tonight in front of a sensor-driven paper towel dispenser, I thought this is how the new tablet will work -- by mid-air gestures as well as on the screen. We'll enlarge images by pulling in the air, shrink them with a quick finger pinch above the screen, brush documents away, pull them out of the air, and like magicians, point to a spot for instant actions.
The learning curve may also be for the machine, figuring out how to read my mind.

Sounds like a bad idea to me. The object you want to interact with is on the screen - it's far easier to just touch it. If I have a paper on my desk, it's easier to move it by touching it then by pointing at it (assuming I had telekinesis). Fitt's Law and all that.
 
Now MSI gets in on the tablet action

Another nice product :

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/msi-dualscreen-e-reader-hands-on/

msidualreader03-600head.jpg


From other shots, the bottom screen can do a virtual keyboard, giving us yet again a tablet/e-reader with laptop ergonomics, except in a different form factor than Lenovo's offering.

Maybe waiting for 2 weeks after CES wasn't such a hot move on Apple's part.

EDIT :

Haha, Microsoft fails again. A Power outage delayed their presentation and the PCs came back up in recovery mode :

msft-key-0133.jpg


I hope CES bolted the chairs to the ground.
 
Another nice product :

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/msi-dualscreen-e-reader-hands-on/

msidualreader03-600head.jpg


From other shots, the bottom screen can do a virtual keyboard, giving us yet again a tablet/e-reader with laptop ergonomics, except in a different form factor than Lenovo's offering.

Maybe waiting for 2 weeks after CES wasn't such a hot move on Apple's part.

Hardware looks pretty, but I don't think people will choose tablets for the hardware. Win 7 is not optimized for touch.
 
Hardware looks pretty, but I don't think people will choose tablets for the hardware. Win 7 is not optimized for touch.

Really, why would they pimp it like crazy then ?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/touch

Seriously, I have a strong distaste for Microsoft as much as the next guy, but Apple doesn't have some sort of exclusive competency on touch screens, and touch screens have been around for way longer than Apple has used them. :rolleyes:

EDIT : there, we go, it's official, the HP slate (that's its name too.. crazy, Apple is sure not to go with iSlate now...) :

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/the-hp-slate/

Looks boring as heck to me, like a giant iPod touch :

01-06-10slate2.jpg
 
Who needs another mp3 player? Who needs another smart phone? Who needs a tablet?
Two of these questions have been answered. Wait 'till the end of the month.

It's the device you need when you don't want your computer. The device for all other media.

And for good measure, I'll toss in Alex Lindsay's suggestion from MacBreak Weekly - the only device a student needs - text book, tests, workbook, attendance, study diary… need I go on? Sadly, I don't think it will be that much of a computer, but you never know…
 
They can pimp it all they want. As long as on-screen elements are less than 40px on a side (more or less - depends on dpi, of course), it ain't optimized for touch. Even if they got the OS right (and I see lots of tiny widgets on my work windows machine), 3rd party apps are all wrong, with tiny little things that need to be tapped, rows that are too small, scroll lists without inertia, etc.

Really, why would they pimp it like crazy then ?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/touch

Seriously, I have a strong distaste for Microsoft as much as the next guy, but Apple doesn't have some sort of exclusive competency on touch screens, and touch screens have been around for way longer than Apple has used them. :rolleyes:

EDIT : there, we go, it's official, the HP slate (that's its name too.. crazy, Apple is sure not to go with iSlate now...) :

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/the-hp-slate/

Looks boring as heck to me, like a giant iPod touch :

01-06-10slate2.jpg
 
They can pimp it all they want. As long as on-screen elements are less than 40px on a side (more or less - depends on dpi, of course), it ain't optimized for touch. Even if they got the OS right (and I see lots of tiny widgets on my work windows machine), 3rd party apps are all wrong, with tiny little things that need to be tapped, rows that are too small, scroll lists without inertia, etc.

You should try a Win7 touch screen system. The resolution independence lets you blow up the elements to touch size quite easily.
 
You should try a Win7 touch screen system. The resolution independence lets you blow up the elements to touch size quite easily.

Doesn't that screw up the layout? Do you have to do it manually? What happens if I am running software with hardcoded bitmap elements (which, I imagine, most software still uses)
 
Doesn't that screw up the layout? Do you have to do it manually? What happens if I am running software with hardcoded bitmap elements (which, I imagine, most software still uses)

Old software that hardcodes UI elements arw still an issue, but overall the experience is pretty good. The OS controlled buttons and menus can be enlarged to usable sizes.
 
Everyday WinXP does something wrong while I use it. Every. Day.

It frustrates the hell out of me. Esp knowing that there is an OS that does not do this. (probably several) But I can't switch to them. I keep threatening to just bring in a Mac and use it, but my net-based enterprise software is currently using IE6 technology, so I'm stuck with Win anyway. Hopefully that changes this year, they've made promises.

Totally off topic, but I can't resist…
You need to quantify lost time in $ for your boss. Do it properly. How many hours x how many people and how much it costs in wages, lost sales or whatever get's their attention. Then they might do something about it.

That XP is getting a bit long in the tooth now. Nobody should have to put up with that. It must be seriously impacting everyone's productivity. And maybe yours or others if they spend time fixing everyone else's problems. Add it all in. See if you get a result.

We had a situation where a contractor was doing -serious- amounts of number crunching on the oldest/slowest computer in the place. No amount of whinging about how he needed a new computer worked until someone toted up his wasted time (@ $2000 a day), then surprise, surprise - he had a newest/fastest computer the very next day. Computers and even systems cost 'dick' next to people's time.
 
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