What is the Ultimate Role of the Apple Tablet?

[KnightWRX]

I know exactly what I'm talking about. First of all, I'm not talking about Solitaire or "Hold'em Texas" (whatever that is), I'm talking about the XP graphics bug where everything locks up when you're copying files remotely and you can fill your screen with window shells. Actually, XP often likes to lock up entirely while it's busy copying files. Can't seem to handle the multitasking thing sometimes.

Happens on my brand new laptop, happened on the laptop before it, and the one before that.

It's not a bug. It's documented in about every Windows programming book there is and it has been consistent behavior since the early Win16 days. In Win32, which every other Windows framework is derived from, WM_PAINT messages are queued as low priority in your apps message queue. Most messages will override it, including all input and I/O.

So if your app is busy writing to the network, it's not redrawing its window. If you drag another window partially on top of your app that is busy writing stuff out and drag it away again, it will leave a blank square and the OS will queue a WM_PAINT message with the RECT structure that needs updating. This can sit quite a while in the message queue until your app gets to it in its main loop.

 

[Eidorian]

I cannot agree more. I frequent several Mac fan sites. Each has its problems. MacRumors problem is that is has been overrun by Windows fanboys who try to control what Mac users say about their favorite OS. It really make you wonder:

• Are there no Windows fansites?
• If there are, then is MacRumors.com such much better than they are willing to tolerate the Mac fans here?
• Are they here just to make us as miserable as Windows makes them?

Inquiring minds want to know!

I'm not sure if you're LagunaSol or not.

 

[cumanzor]

I know exactly what I'm talking about. First of all, I'm not talking about Solitaire or "Hold'em Texas" (whatever that is), I'm talking about the XP graphics bug where everything locks up when you're copying files remotely and you can fill your screen with window shells. Actually, XP often likes to lock up entirely while it's busy copying files. Can't seem to handle the multitasking thing sometimes.

Happens on my brand new laptop, happened on the laptop before it, and the one before that.

Um. No it doesn't. Call it bad luck, call it only being able to find what you are actively looking (defective XP boxes). I don't know.

It's entirely reasonable when you're the one who's had to suffer with their craptastic software that long.

And it certainly gives me far more credibility when I talk about Windows than most of the tools that talk smack about Mac but have never spent more than 10 minutes on one.

Ahh yes. Posting from a 13" macbook bro. I'm sure you'll go ahead and say something like "LOL YOU ARENT BECAUSE IM ALWAYS RIGHT!"

I'm not talking "smack" about apple..... Jesus christ. I love this thing, I love the touchpad, I love the long battery live. This indeed one of the best notebooks I've tried.

You on the other hand, the day you stop using silly words like "craptastic" to describe anything related to MS or any non-Apple company, that day, I'll take you seriously.

 

[LagunaSol]

Balmer to intro HP built Courier slate?

Better hope the display is sweat-resistant.

I hope Ballmer does the moonwalk when he introduces it.

I cannot agree more. I frequent several Mac fan sites. Each has its problems. MacRumors problem is that is has been overrun by Windows fanboys who try to control what Mac users say about their favorite OS. It really make you wonder:

• Are there no Windows fansites?
• If there are, then is MacRumors.com such much better than they are willing to tolerate the Mac fans here?
• Are they here just to make us as miserable as Windows makes them?

Inquiring minds want to know!

The obsession of Windows users with Apple customers is truly baffling. There are only a few rational explanations:

1. Astroturfing (For Fun or Profit!)
2. They enjoy tormenting people for sport (i.e. "Griefers" aka "Those dudes you see on Xbox Live").
3. They hope to soothe their Windows-based misery by spreading it around.
4. They have nothing better to do while they run their daily virus scan.
5. Jealousy.

I'd rather have teeth pulled than hang out in a Windows forum and harass the Microsoft drones day and night in their own house. Honestly, what's the point?

Yet here they are on MacRumors, day after day, raging against Steve Jobs, Apple, iPhones and the most-hated "Apple fanboy."

Truly logic-defying.

 

[KnightWRX]

Um. No it doesn't.

Uh, yes it does.

Call it bad luck, call it only being able to find what you are actively looking (defective XP boxes). I don't know.

That's why I posted this tidbit :

It's not a bug. It's documented in about every Windows programming book there is and it has been consistent behavior since the early Win16 days. In Win32, which every other Windows framework is derived from, WM_PAINT messages are queued as low priority in your apps message queue. Most messages will override it, including all input and I/O.

So if your app is busy writing to the network, it's not redrawing its window. If you drag another window partially on top of your app that is busy writing stuff out and drag it away again, it will leave a blank square and the OS will queue a WM_PAINT message with the RECT structure that needs updating. This can sit quite a while in the message queue until your app gets to it in its main loop.

Now you know, and knowing, is half the battle.

 

[AidenShaw]

The obsession of Windows users with Apple customers is truly baffling. There are only a few rational explanations:

The obsession of some Apple users with Microsoft's CEO is truly baffling. There is no rational explanation.

 

[LagunaSol]

Um. No it doesn't. Call it bad luck, call it only being able to find what you are actively looking (defective XP boxes). I don't know.

It's the bad luck that never ends.

Ahh yes. Posting from a 13" macbook bro. I'm sure you'll go ahead and say something like "LOL YOU ARENT BECAUSE IM ALWAYS RIGHT!"

Why would I say that?

I'm not talking "smack" about apple

Was I talking about you? Do you not see the commenters who are here day after day with nothing but derision for Apple stuff? I say hey, great, use what you like - no skin off my back. But maybe MacRumors isn't their kinda place and maybe they should move on.

You on the other hand, the day you stop using silly words like "craptastic" to describe anything related to MS or any non-Apple company, that day, I'll take you seriously.

I like Outlook. I like Microsoft mice. I like Google. I like Nikon, Canon, Brother, Panic, Sony (sorta), Panasonic. I like BMW, MINI, VW, Honda. I like In-N-Out. I like Costco. I like many, many companies.

I don't like Microsoft. At all. I think their products are derivative and mediocre, I think their CEO is an oaf, I think their business practices over the years stink to high heaven. I think they are perhaps the greatest pack of weasels the business world has known. I think they have done much to stifle technological innovation. I'm entitled to this opinion and and I have plenty of reason behind it.

I don't want to be Steve Jobs' best friend or even have lunch with him. I think he's probably as much of a jerk in real life as people say he is. I think Apple's control issues push the company forward yet ultimately hold the company back. I often think they make some decisions just to spite their customers.

This invented character of the MacRumors poster who thinks Apple can do no wrong is amusing but fictional. It's a standard straw man device used by the Apple haters who troll this board. Some of us appear to me more enthusiastic about Apple than we really are only because we're arguing against the "Apple sucks" crowd who keep joining this forum.

Me, I think Apple is deeply flawed, but they're the best thing going right now.

 

[LagunaSol]

Now you know, and knowing, is half the battle.

Thank you for fully explaining something that I was unable. You know it's a legitimate Windows flaw when AidenShaw doesn't counter with something from his dossier. Oh, here he is now.

The obsession of some Apple users with Microsoft's CEO is truly baffling. There is no rational explanation.

Pathological aversion to excessive perspiration and vocal caterwauling?

 

[Eidorian]

I like Outlook. I like Microsoft mice. I like Google. I like Nikon, Canon, Brother, Panic, Sony (sorta), Panasonic. I like BMW, MINI, VW, Honda. I like In-N-Out. I like Costco. I like many, many companies.

I don't like Microsoft. At all. I think their products are derivative and mediocre, I think their CEO is an oaf, I think their business practices over the years stink to high heaven. I think they are perhaps the greatest pack of weasels the business world has known. I think they have done much to stifle technological innovation. I'm entitled to this opinion and and I have plenty of reason behind it.

I don't want to be Steve Jobs' best friend or even have lunch with him. I think he's probably as much of a jerk in real life as people say he is. I think Apple's control issues push the company forward yet ultimately hold the company back. I often think they make some decisions just to spite their customers.

This invented character of the MacRumors poster who thinks Apple can do no wrong is amusing but fictional. It's a standard straw man device used by the Apple haters who troll this board. Some of us appear to me more enthusiastic about Apple than we really are only because we're arguing against the "Apple sucks" crowd who keep joining this forum.

Me, I think Apple is deeply flawed, but they're the best thing going right now.

What happens if I change this to state why I don't like Apple?

 

[AidenShaw]

Pathological aversion to excessive perspiration and vocal caterwauling?

When you buy a car, do you check out the sudoriferous glands of the car company's CEO?

I think Apple is deeply flawed

This has potential for my next .sig - "LagunaSol: 'I think Apple is deeply flawed'".

No, that would be taking something out of context, like DMann. I'll stick with the civil rights question.

 

[aristotle]

It's not a bug. It's documented in about every Windows programming book there is and it has been consistent behavior since the early Win16 days. In Win32, which every other Windows framework is derived from, WM_PAINT messages are queued as low priority in your apps message queue. Most messages will override it, including all input and I/O.

So if your app is busy writing to the network, it's not redrawing its window. If you drag another window partially on top of your app that is busy writing stuff out and drag it away again, it will leave a blank square and the OS will queue a WM_PAINT message with the RECT structure that needs updating. This can sit quite a while in the message queue until your app gets to it in its main loop.

I encounter it often in VFP programs when it is running an SQL query against SQL Server or manipulating records in a local cursor (in memory table). The end users often think that the program is frozen when it's just busy.

 

[LagunaSol]

What happens if I change this to state why I don't like Apple?

Go for it.

When you buy a car, do you check out the sudoriferous glands of the car company's CEO?

I don't see online videos of car company CEOs running around stages screaming like deranged orangutans and turning blue Oxfords and khakis into some type of full-body bathing suit (post dip in the pool).

And if I did, I'd probably be repelled by that company's products.

Ballmer earns his derision. Despite the fact that you have a MS4EVA license plate on your ride, I know Ballmer makes even your skin crawl. It's OK. You can admit it.[/QUOTE]

 

[hitekalex]

Thank you for fully explaining something that I was unable. You know it's a legitimate Windows flaw when AidenShaw doesn't counter with something from his dossier.

Except that it's not a real "flaw" per se, but more of an (arguably poor) technical design choice in a nearly 10-year old operating system. Should I start enumerating all the terrible issues in OS X 10.1 (aka. Puma), which came out at the same time as XP? I'll bet you my list would be a quite long one..

But frankly, none of this is all that interesting.. Let's get back to pontificating about the true meaning of Apple Tablet, shall we?

 

[Eidorian]

Go for it.

Nah

But frankly, none of this is all that interesting.. Let's get back to pontificating about the true meaning of Apple Tablet, shall we?

That would be nice. I was hoping that this thread wouldn't get bogged down in a tiresomely predictable scenario. Though moving on seems to be rather tough.

 

[KnightWRX]

Except that it's not a real "flaw" per se, but more of an (arguably poor) technical design choice in a nearly 10-year old operating system.

Ahem... 10 years old ? This design choice is something we've been dragging along since the 80s. Back when you didn't want to spend too much time in drawing code and actually execute your application logic instead because CPU cycles on the average PC were scarce at best, especially in a multi-tasking environment.

Win32 and Win16 before it didn't suddenly appear in 2000.

 

[LagunaSol]

That would be nice. I was hoping that this thread wouldn't get bogged down in a tiresomely predictable scenario. Though moving on seems to be rather tough.

You can only talk about a nonexistent product for so long before the discussion is going to run off the rails.

 

[Eidorian]

You can only talk about a nonexistent product for so long before the discussion is going to run off the rails.

I should really make a flowchart though for some laughs though because this was entirely predictable.

Everything seemed fine until your rage over Solitaire. I think you should calm down.

 

[DMann]

The obsession of some Apple users with Microsoft's CEO is truly baffling. There is no rational explanation.

No more baffling than the blasphemous and derogatory references you make toward Apple's CEO:

I'd expect to see Jonathan Ive and Jeff Han featured under "innovation", and Steve Jobs under "egomaniacal bastards".

...Or will Lord Steve fly over on the Gulfstream and personally disembowel him?

Meh....

Now the tens of thousands of Apple employees who actually make it happen won't be noticed - the spotlight is back on the Lord God Jobs.

Sigh....

Your unscrupulous practice of double-standards around here is unparalleled.

For this, there is no rational explanation.

Hypocrisy, at its finest.

 

[MisterMe]

The obsession of some Apple users with Microsoft's CEO is truly baffling. There is no rational explanation.

This might come as a surprise to you, but Microsoft is a major developer of Macintosh applications. Yes, it's true. What is also true is that Microsoft's CEO is also the weirdest CEO of a major Mac developer. If the CEOs of Adobe and Symantec were as weird, then I am sure that they would get similar interest.

 

[AidenShaw]

That would be nice. I was hoping that this thread wouldn't get bogged down in a tiresomely predictable scenario. Though moving on seems to be rather tough.

Speaking of off-topic and tiresomely predictable:

...

 

[Clix Pix]

I just had another idea for a possible name of Apple's new tablet:

how does "iScroll" sound?

 

[rdowns]

OK, boys. We've come to that point i the thread where you should just put your junk here

and we'll measure to see who wins.

 

[JAT]

Saying "MS made me suffer for 40h/week for X years" is not reasonable at all. This is primarily the reason why some people, and some statements cannot be taken seriously.

Everyday WinXP does something wrong while I use it. Every. Day.

It frustrates the hell out of me. Esp knowing that there is an OS that does not do this. (probably several) But I can't switch to them. I keep threatening to just bring in a Mac and use it, but my net-based enterprise software is currently using IE6 technology, so I'm stuck with Win anyway. Hopefully that changes this year, they've made promises.

 

[aksmax]

Well, if they're selling more ebooks now than books, it must be quite a few. Of course that's just in the US, but still ... the Kindle hasn't been pushed worldwide so far.

Are they selling more ebooks than paper? If it's true, remember the free kindle app for iphone/ipod. I already have 8 kindle books on my ipod touch and have 4 friends with at least 1. I don't know anybody with a kindle reader.

The iphone app was identified as a likely threat to kindle reader sales and marked as a good sign they were desperately looking for new channels for ebooks. I agree. I even read my iPod at the gym. I think the kindle reader is not long for the world.

It's a perfect function (of many) for The Tablet. It's not even on the maybe list. Though personally, the ipod is a more appealing ereader, due to size.

 

[DMann]

Speaking of off-topic and tiresomely predictable

He, who only 10 hours earlier, within a thread related to the Apple Tablet declares:

The obsession of some Apple users with Microsoft's CEO is truly baffling. There is no rational explanation.

The sheer hypocrisy - becomes more profound by the hour.