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What is wrong with Apple right now? Where are the new products?
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With the possible exception of the Apple TV you're not going to see any huge performance gains from new hardware. Sitting on your cash waiting for a 10% increase in efficiency over the M4 Max? Just buy now.
Airtags are a waste of money. You can get plenty of quality knockoffs on Amazon for a fraction of the price. I bought my wife 4 in a pack for £18 and they work flawlessly, have a keyfob hole and pair quickly. In this case you're paying loads more just for an Apple logo on it.
If you're waiting for a new AppleTV just for some gaming ability I'd just buy an Xbox Series S which is stupidly overpowered for watching streaming apps on and has a much better selection of games.
A new HomePod won't launch until after WWDC when the new Siri arrives.
Rock solid my a$$ safari won’t start on my Macbook today for some reason.
Well guys I think it's time Apple discontinues the MacBook, Frederik is having issues with his internet today. Time to pull the plug Tim 😡
Parowdy
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The wait for AirTags is worse than the 2016-2020 MacBook disaster for you?
Waaaaaay to undermine your own credibility.
Have you considered that Apple might be cooking up something for their, I don't know, 50th anniversary?
No? Yeah apparently so.
If you're this desperate to give Apple money for AirTags, buy me and my family some.
Now sit back down and wait, just like the rest of us 🙄
Waaaaaay to undermine your own credibility.
Have you considered that Apple might be cooking up something for their, I don't know, 50th anniversary?
No? Yeah apparently so.
If you're this desperate to give Apple money for AirTags, buy me and my family some.
Now sit back down and wait, just like the rest of us 🙄
Parowdy
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Can't complain about Safari today, but yeah. Rock solid is very, very much not the case. Especially since their AI software debacle and anyOS 26.
Parowdy
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Your take that "it's Apples fault for not providing a roadmap" is soooooo much less relevant now than it ever was. We live in splendid times concerning Apple (hardware) products, and we have a very good idea what's coming (despite their secrecy and the half century anniversay).
Politically we are in unpredictable times now, but you also expect Apple, of all companies, to offer a heads up before they release a product? The actual f
Parowdy
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We've had rumors about under display Touch ID since before 2017 and under display Face ID since before 2018.
Sorry but its your own fault if you get enthusiastic about rumors and "leaks", and you're the primary target of people that like to ponder bs and shove ads under their catchy article titles.
With Apple, there's nothing "to get". They themselves announced AirPower, Apple Intelligence and a revolutionary new design language that is just as good as anything previously. We've all witnessed them saying one thing and delivering something else, if anything.
But you don't get why some rumors didn't come to fruition? Wow...
Last month Venezuela was a sovereign nation and the US president didn't mark Canada as US territory on a map during a White House meeting.
Maybe you should expect some uncertainty anywhere and everywhere were a top 10 company might loose billions because of some weird policy change.
Sorry, rant over.
jclardy
macrumors 601
The one year chip upgrade cycle on Macs is a relatively recent trend and still hasn’t been consistent. M1 -> M2 was over a year. Then M2-M3 was just 9 months.
My guess is that this could be a redesign year with the M5, since we’ve been basically stagnant on the design front since the M1 MBP.
My guess is that this could be a redesign year with the M5, since we’ve been basically stagnant on the design front since the M1 MBP.
Parowdy
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You can't possible compare the wait for a new Mac mini during the dark ages of Intel Macs to NEEDING to upgrade from a high end M4 Mac to a high end M5 Mac...
Unami
macrumors 68000
M5 pro/M5 Max were never expected before spring/early summer as this fits their past release cycles. Homepods are probably delayed because of the AI fiasco (and really, what ifference could a new homepod make, except some functionality that is software-limited to them for exclusivity), same with AppleTV (unless they put a LOT more effort into gaming) and Airtags (to be fair, those could be thinner, rechargeable and have newer UWB-Chio)
Look at the bright side: You can save your moneys for iPhone Fold 😄
Parowdy
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I knew this was a rude and wrong thing to write, but good for you @Frederik25 for coming right back at it with evidence for your case.
Having both Tesla and Apple products, I can happily say that I prefer Apple's version (minus WWDC 2024) over brash bold claims.
At least no one is waiting for M5 as long as some are waiting for the Roadster. Or 45k Cybertruck. Or 25k sedan. Or being on Mars.
Parowdy
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Sure you did buddy. You of course knew that they meant it simply wouldn’t open.
That’s why you replied to them with your thoughtful, or at least entertaining, comment.
And it was so obvious that you did, that they posted that video simply because they had nothing better to do.
In any case, your sarcasm needs some work, if it truly was.
PlayUltimate
macrumors 65816
see the Osborne effect.
edit: Replied before reading all of the comments. I see others were noting the same thing.
Um, ya. THIS ^^^ Apple Intelligence powered by technology So Advanced it doesn't actually exist 🙃
Backup Plan B: stuff Sam Altman into everything! (OpenAI starts imploding, opinions may vary.)
Backup Plan C: okay, we meant to say: Google Inside!
Backup Plan D: <waiting for Godot>
In retrospect, it may have been better to just shut up and eventually ship something 🤷♂️
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...but companies like Intel, AMD, NVIDIA and Microsoft do share roadmaps of key products (if only to big customers, OEMs and dealers who sign NDAs -it filters down) so people have a reasonable idea of where the PC platform (hardware and software) is going.
The issue is with Apple is that they control all the key components of the hardware and software and can pivot on a dime without any notice. Its maybe not such a big deal for more consumer-focussed products like the MBA or lower-end MBP, but I think there is a particular problem with the pro desktops where they have a dreadful track record of releasing one-and-done products like the trashcan, iMac Pro and 2019 Mac Pro, leaving them to go out of date then going off in some radically different direction with the "successor" that won't necessarily support the same workflow. If you have to spend a year planning/budgeting/writing proposals for a large project that will run for several years, it's rather useful to know that the equipment that you specify in the proposal will still be available in some recognisable form 3 years later if you need replacements or additional seats. Even Apple's position on end-of-life for MacOS versions seems to be a case of guessing based on past performance. E.g. although we know that Tahoe will be the last Intel-compatible MacOS we have to just assume that it will get 3 years support - and nobody really has a clue if there will still be a PCIe Mac Pro this time next year. It would be a very "courageous" move to plan an important project that assumed there will be a drop-in replacement for the current Mac Pro or Studio Ultra for the next 3-4 years.
There's also some debate as to whether the Osborne Effect really happened (even on the Wikipedia page there's a lot more to that story than 'announced the replacement - killed sales'). Meanwhile, Apple are somewhat unusual in how they rarely announce products unless they are either available on day one or have a firm, near-future launch date (the exception being the 2017 Mac Pro crisis where there was obviously blood on the carpet). For the rest of the industry, it's fairly typical for new products to be teased at trade shows and/or not show up for sale for months after they are announced).
Apple doesn't need to make an announcement for people to assume that the M5 MBP announced in October means that M5 Airs and M5 Pro/Max MBPs definitely probably might be coming soon - and even people who don't scour the interwebs for rumors are going to ask why the cheaper MBP is "M5" while the more expensive one is only "M4" - so some "Osbourning" will be happening anyway. I guess Apple are pretty confident that people who delay buying will hold onto their money and not be tempted to spend it on anything else in the meantime...
chrono1081
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Every company you named is a parts supplier (Microsoft is a little more nuanced) but those companies are expected to release roadmaps, companies selling a finished end product do not because it's strategic suicide.
Also the Osborne effect is studied in business classes around the world it definitely happened.
Apple_Robert
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I don’t believe there is anything overly wrong with Apple. Apple hasn’t promised any new products on a specific date this year. You being upset with Apple doesn’t make sense, OP. Keep saving your money and be patient.
...and so is Apple (Apple Silicon SoCs, MacOS/iOS etc.) - it's just that they only supply parts/OS software to themselves (or commission them from TSMC if you prefer).
Roadmaps from PC parts/software makers tell you a lot about what end-user products are coming and when. Windows end-of-life dates are published years in advance.
Even with Intel Macs you could go onto Intel's Ark website and see "Oh look, the Gen 16 i7 variant with 60W GDP and Iris pro-plus graphics isn't shipping until Q4 so we won't be seing a new i8 MBP until at least then" (made up stats, but there were definitely times when this sort of thing explained the non-appearance of Mac models).
Post-Apple Silicon, Apple's future products (who's features are largely determined by the SoC) are an entirely closed book - the M5 Pro/Max/Ultra SoC could be coming out next week, next fall or never. Effective end-of-life for MacOS Tahoma will come whenever updates stop trickling out... maybe when the last Intel Mac turns vintage/obsolete (or maybe not).
