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lol. Macs are always better. I tryed to crash my Jag mac by running 30 apps and working 10 simultaneously. All that happened is that the CPUs were maxed. My fan didnt even speed up from its usual DP 867 hum.

NO, i repeat NO pc can match that sort of stability. when i quit the apps etc everyhting was normal. no crashes of OS, or software (inc. MS Office+MSN!!!).

oh and did i mention that even in finder i had NO, i again repeat, NO lag. full speed in a 2000 folder directory.

<sarcasm>yay my XP PC cant even open IE 6 or explorer (is there a difference??) cause it has a bug after ONE week and it is behind a firewall. i am happy, it was two days before.</sarcasm>


to me, there is no competition. actually to everyone here (except pc clone) there is no competition.
 
Originally posted by edesignuk

Heh! Way ahead of you, all I see of his posts now is this! ;) :D :p
Typical Fruit(Mac user), always wants to hide from anything remotely intimidating... I am not a "troll"... I didn't come on here yelling obscenities, flaming random posters or making irrelevant posts... I simply came to debate the superiority of PCs in a heavily biased enviroment, treating everyone with respect...

Unix-
1. :rolleyes: Fine then, would you consider a fast, reliable, inexpensive machine in which you have access to pretty much any program you want, can navigate effortlessely through the OS, is easily upgradeable, easily customizable, and just plain kicks ass, a good computer? If you answered yes, then you just described my PC...
2. Please tell me why your OS is supoerior to mine, without lying or blantantly exagerating...
3 and 4. Hmm... all programs my PC can easily run... tell me again, how much was your G4?
5. Ha, give me the money you spent on your Apple and I can have a machine built that'll blow you away...
6. Fair enough... I, however, like learning as much about PCs as I can, especially this day and age...
7. "PeeCee"... how cute... and no Windows does not suck otherwise 90% of the computers running our world wouldn't be operating with it!
8. *puts "silly glasses" on* Hey, PC users DO envy Macs!*takes glasses off and snaps back to reality* Did you ever think maybe they were just interested in your groovy looking case rather than actually caring about what was inside? Aesthetics have always been Apple's #1 marketing tool...

And I don't have a laptop, so I could care less what your powerbook can do... all I know is it wouldn't hold a candle to an equally priced PC...

Les- ok bud, fair enough... sometimes I wish me and my buds could take a look at you Apple guys' computers that you claim never seem to work... cuz like I said, XP Pro has worked great for me and everyone I know who has it...

benixau-
owned.txt

No crash, no fan acceleration, only slowdown...
 
Originally Posted by PC Clone
Typical Fruit(Mac user), always wants to hide from anything remotely intimidating
Not hiding, ignoring, I'd rather not read your ramblings.
I, like a lot of other Mac users on these boards also have a PC. I myself have a 1.4Ghz AMD, 512Mb DDR home built system with XP Pro. I also have a box running W2K Server as my file server, a box running W2K Advanced Server which is my local domain and DNS server. So as you can see I am not in any way ignorant of the windows world, I was using it long before I used a Mac and still am using it to this day, in fact my line of work is in PC desktop support both hardware and software.
But since I 'discovered' Mac I have used it more and more over my PC with the releases of 10.1, then the latest (and fastest) 10.2, and I for one only use my XP box when I have too (KaZaA!). Mac OS X is a FAR superior OS, you can see from the leaked bits of m$ longhorn that they are trying to copy the smooth graphics of the Aqua interface (e.g. 'genie' effect when shrinking windows).
XP Pro IMO is M$ best, most stable OS so far, but, with OS X's UNIX routes it is still much more stable, easier and more pleasent to get along with.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion as am I. But I'm afraid I still don't seethe point of you being here just to stir thing up....it's pointless.

Peace :)
 
PC clone, read this post carefully, cause I don't want to have to say any of this again. I respect your wanting to debate, and you are being pretty cool about the response you're getting, now read carefully before you keep asking why mac?

I, like many here have a lot of windows experience.. about 12 years worth. I was one of the original PC users back in 83 when I was running a BBS out of the bay area that got 50+ calls a day with my 1200baud hayes modem... I was using DOS 3.1 and various MS apps before many of the guys you go to LAN parties were born. So I don't need lectures on the abilities of the PC platform. I simply got fed up with Windows..... the hardware on a PC is much the same as a Mac.. PCI, DDR, AGP, USB, IE1394, 802.11B..... the only propriatary mac hardware is the DVI screen connection which is superior to your VGA/XGA connection anyway.

The thing you need to understand is that people who use computers for serious stuff (read: not games) need a system that runs stable. While 90% of people use PC (because it's cheaper, and runs many cheap home apps)...kinda like a Chevy is for the massses, and a BMW is for the elite.

People in the "back office" of design/graphics/production companies use Mac 90% of the time because it is STABLE..... not always faster, though in many apps a duel 1.25 G4 is faster than any P4, but just more stable. A company called Autodesk has a product sold under their label Discreet, its called cleaner 6, they also have a cleaner 5 for windows.. but I am read in a press release that they sell the Mac version at a ratio of 4 to 1 vs the PC version, they also make high end editor, it's called Smoke and it is the top of the line DV edit system, costs more than $260,000... guess what platform it almost always runs on? Unix... not Windows 2000... OS X is Unix, and at only 2 years old, it already has 3000 commercial apps available, and more come every day. Read more about Unix and Smoke here: http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2001/07_jul/reviews/smoke_review.htm

For example, if you were to try to encode a 90 minute DV into mpeg2 on a PC, you will likely have a crash that will cause you to have to restart.... that has been demonstrated over and over.. In a Mac... its a one time job... and it's usually faster.

Also you want to know why my OS is better than your OS (and this is what it boils down to for me, OS)... well consider this:

Large computer systems that run Airline reservations systems, Bank data centers, DOD computers, the internet it's self, all run on Unix... either BSD, AT&T, HPUX, Solaris.... they are all a twist on the same system... well Mac OS X is a BSD unix (4.4 lite).

Now ask yourself, if the worlds largest supercomputers depend on Unix for up time and not Windows 2000 or NT (which share the same Kernel as XP).. which OS is more stable?

There are NO "serious" computers that are mission critical running windows in corporate america... maybe smaller companies that can't afford Sun, IBM or HP mainframes/Servers do, but the rest use Unix. Yes, there are amature projects where people strung togther a bunch of PC's into a large processor grouping, but large companies don't depend on that kind of set up to run.

Windows machines are great home computers and great game platforms (like an X-box)... but they are not mature enough for me to run a $1000 app to edit my DV, let alone a professional.

Finally, I don't hear any clamoring from Mac users to port windows to the Mac... but there are more than 100,000 people who signed a petition to port OS X to the PC... hmmm..

:cool:
 
Originally posted by UnixMac
For example, if you were to try to encode a 90 minute DV into mpeg2 on a PC, you will likely have a crash that will cause you to have to restart.... that has been demonstrated over and over.. In a Mac... its a one time job... and it's usually faster.
Just one restart? This is why I use a Mac.

Great Post.
 
Well said, Unix Mac!

Like many here, I have experience in Windows and Linux.

I still run a PC for games. Gotta love Command & Conquer.

However, I realized I needed a laptop for school, since I commute and need something to code on (as the open labs are very insufficient). I had always enjoyed fooling and tweaking with my PC, but that also always led to problems. I wanted something that would do what I ask without fuss, and that I would never need to "tweak". I wanted something that would be stable and reliable, no matter what. Even Windows XP Pro, which I run on my PC, still gives me trouble from time to time. It's always something. If it's not a crash, it's a disconnect. If not that, it's a program crash. If not that, a line of Java that should work and does on other PCs does not. It's just always something.

So, I thought I may get a laptop with Linux on it. Then I remembered I spent 10 times as much time keeping that configured and running as I did on Win XP.

Then a friend showed me her laptop. It was an iBook. It was beautiful. So I looked into the Mac.

Mac OS X. Unix core. Superb ease of use. All the programs I need. Awesome compatability with other hardware. The fact that it works, and there isn't something. It works!

Then I saw the (Ti) PowerBook. G4 CPU. Lots of RAM. Super-thin. Titanium cover. 15" (and fantastic-looking) screen.

I only got my PowerBook G4 a few days ago, and I'm already in love with it. I was highly skeptical, but it's already become my main machine.

(The next paragraph and sentence sums up my response to the thread.)

It was last night, looking at the awesome "Flurry" screensave that it hit me: this machine is way ahead of it's time. It's like a computer from the year 2012. Seriously. The case, the screen, the power, ease of use. It all added up. This is what computers should be. My Mac is like no PC - it's much better.

I'm just absolutely in love with my new Mac.
 
Originally posted by Zion Grail

It was last night, looking at the awesome "Flurry" screensave that it hit me: this machine is way ahead of it's time. It's like a computer from the year 2012. Seriously. The case, the screen, the power, ease of use. It all added up. This is what computers should be. My Mac is like no PC - it's much better.

I'm just absolutely in love with my new Mac.

Im am totally in love with my Ti Gigabook.

It's just like the Chevy / BMW or Walmart / Nordstrom comparison I used above.

Mac's are just more "refined" and well engineered.
 
You really shouldn't have typed all that out, because I nor you can prove nor negate exactly how many companies use which OS... and um, today's games are one of the most system dependant programs you will run on a computer... you need a powerful CPU, you need a good hard drive, you need all your memory, you need stability... if you have a system that's optimized for gaming you basically have a system optimized for damn near anything...

Also:
http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii.htm
http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=50000333
http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/05_may/features/cw_aeshowdown.htm
And just for fun:
http://drunkgamers.com/switch0001.shtml
http://www.ubergeek.tv/switchback/
 
because my pC eats my audio work

heres the biggest reason im proud of owning my new 1ghz TiPB...

about 20min ago, my PC ATE, [yes chewed to peices and never to be found again], A bunch of unsaved drum samples that i had been designing for around 2 hours. yes i know i should have saved them frequently, but that doesnt mean they should just dissapear. :rolleyes: and the best part, is that this program [cool edit pro 2] is supposed to RESTORE unsaved work when it crashes, but apparently it decided itd rather not save my work this tim 'round, oye!

i know that my programs in OSX dont have that amount of jurisdiction over themselves to just decide to up and quite. OSX is stable as hell and i cant be happier about that.

the more i use my PC, the more i realize, that the majority of stuff i do just to get things working properly, the average user would never even think of. THATS why i dislike pc's more and more every day, and thats why my PC is becoming a rather large expensive gaming unit. :rolleyes: again, OYE!
 
Agreed!

My plan right now is to pay off what I owe on my credit card, and use what I make (and don't spend on gas and PowerBook payments) to save for an iPod and other such things. I've wanted "in" on the "digital lifestyle" since the Rio MP3 player. The first one. (And I got that one, too.) Well, now I'm determined to make it happen. And my PowerBook will be right in the center of it.

It's too bad I couldn't afford the 1Ghz PowerBook. But my 867Mhz Titanium PowerBook is still an awesome machine!!
 
Originally posted by PC Clone
... if you have a system that's optimized for gaming you basically have a system optimized for damn near anything...

im sorry but this is completely untrue. and its basically proven untrue by the exact posts that your arguing with: if that IS true, then how come a UNIX system isnt the gaming platform of choice? console games are 99% rock solid in stability, so how come gaming consoles arent used for servers? i know that sounds silly, but the point is that all these things are optimized for something: consoles for gaming, UNIX, solaris etc... for mainframes and server oriented tasks. the stability of a video game on a PC has very little to do with the stability of every day apps or even things like audio/video on the same PC. PC gaming is totally dependant on Direct X drivers, and direct x little or no say in how stable your non-gaming programs run.
 
^Well my point mainly is that a PC gamer looking to optimize his system is going to look for the best RAM, the best mobo, the best CPU, the best HD, best OS, etc... pretty much everything about the computer will have to be of great quality...
 
exactly, of great quality for -gaming-. serious 3d- designers arent going to go out and buy the latest nvidia card for there work, it just doesnt happen. and i beleive the majority of people here are agreeing that PC's are much better for gaming. so its settled then? :p
 
PC,

SGI has machines that run 8 MIPS 800mhz cpu's and cost in the 6 figures, but they can't run QIII at 200fps.... are they inferior for graphics production?

Sun, 8 X UltraSparcIII.... same thing...

Mac is just a low budget version of the above, while PC is just a toy for gamers.

Games are never written on a Mac, then ported to a PC, they are written for single processor PC's using direct X drivers..... later, if they are popular, they are ported (at a low budget) to Open GL and MAC....but they are not Altivec coded (too costly) and not multithreaded for MP macs... so how can a 1Ghz G4 pump out enough triangles to compete with a P4?? Now if they were to code the games right they, you might be quite impressed with the result, but they would end up costing $300 a piece... I personally don't care about that because I can buy a Dell for $800 to play games.

I care about Cinema 4D XL, Final Cut Pro, and Cleaner 6 running fast and stable.... and on a Mac, they do.

Now lets close this subject once and for all and prove that they only reason the mac shows slower speed to PC is poorly coded software: go here and look around... specifically look at the "ALL" column of the PowerPC G4 and the same column in the AMD and P4 "ALL" colums... this is the Gflops of the processor...the absolute power of the chip.

fastest AMD 2400mhz Palomino = 18.95Gflops
Available AMD 2200mhz = 14.9Gflops

fastest P4 3140mhz = 12.15Gflops

fastest G4 1600mhz = 16.9Gflops
Available G4 1259mhz = 13.12Gflops

A typical PowerMac has 2 G4's so that's 26.24Gflops

end of discussion

CPU Speeds on Distributed.net
 
The links I posted above are doing benchmarks on Photoshop and other Adobe programs... wasn't Photoshop originally made FOR the Mac?

Damnit stop changing your posts on me... and stop saying end of discussion when it's obviously not...

And benchmarks don't lie...
 
see my above post again, I edited in some info that will end this (hopefully)

BTW... this is a direct quote from one of your links....acehardware...

"The dual Apple PowerMac G4 performs similar to the single 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 Xeon, which is actually not bad at all. Notice that the second Xeon processor boosts the rendering performance by only 18%. This indicates that this kind of operation in Adobe Premiere benefits only slightly from a second processor. A single G4+ 1.25 GHz should perform more or less like a 1.8-2.0 GHz Pentium 4. This is highly hypothetical, but a 0.13µ G4+ might be rather competitive with the current Pentium 4 if the clockspeed were sufficiently high. So, while I am personally not overwhelmed, the G4+ is a rather potent CPU."
 
Originally posted by PC Clone
wasn't Photoshop originally made FOR the Mac?

and so was ms office. in those days it was made for mac and then ported to pc. but then steve 'left' apple.

until MacBU, office was made for windblows and ported to mac in a crappy incarnation. Now office is made totaly seperate (bar common document format code) with the MacBU coding entirelly for mac with a feature list from the pc guys to make sure that they at least match. I dont see transparent charts on excel 2002!!

pc clone, if your pc didnt slow down then it could be because you have alot of ram, a very fast cpu (>2.0Ghz) or a very fast HDD.

i did my comparisons on the following machines:

Spec (PC : Mac)

CPU (AMD XP 1800+ : DP 867)
RAM (256 PC2100 : 256 PC 2100)
HDD ATA-100 (40GB 7200rpm 8MB cache : 80GB 7200rpm 2MB cache)
Video (GF2MX 32DDR : GF4MX 32DDR)
Sound (AC'97 : built-in)
OS (WinXP Pro : OS X 10.2.2)


As you can see these machines are a fairly even match considering that i am using an <sarcasm> inferior </sarcsm> platform.


PS. Donwload, install and run moby dock and run your mouse from one side to another. you will watch your CPU usage go to 100% mine barely moves.
 
Unix- that's cool, I never said Apple's were trash... however in all the benchmarks I have seen Apples are never at the top...

benixau- my PC did slow down, but that's all it did... no crash... and I have a relatively humble 1GHz Athlon with 512MB of PC100 RAM, as you can see in my specs...
And what comparisons are you speaking of?
Also, that link didn't work... I can't find anywhere to download that Moby Dock program... what is it for?

Here's the conclusion from the aceshardware benchmarking article:

Conclusion

It is a pity of course that we couldn't test the PowerMac for more than a few hours. However, if you combine our findings with those of Digital Video Editing (here and here), we can get an idea how the PowerMacs compare to the Pentium 4 and Athlon CPUs out there. Digital Video Editing conducted tests on Adobe Effects and this piece of software is one of the more SSE-2 optimized applications available. In this case, a dual 1.25 GHz G4 is not even able to match a 2.53 GHz Pentium 4 and performed like a 2 GHz - 2.4 GHz Pentium 4. Lightwave shows us the best case for the dual G4: it benefits a lot from the second processor and is well optimized for the G4 too.


Basically, the 1.25 GHz dual G4 PowerMac is slower than most high end PCs (including single-processor ones), but it is not totally defenseless. In multi-threaded content creation applications, it can perform like a 2.2 GHz Pentium 4 and even a 3.06 GHz one. Considering that Content Creation is still the main reason why people buy Macs, this isn't bad at all. And while it may seem trivial to some, it must be said that the Apple PowerMac does feature a very nice system chassis that provides easy access to components.

Still, Apple needs a 0.13 micron chip soon, as a PowerMac is a lot more expensive than a typical OEM PC. Dell's 3.06 GHz Pentium 4 system is about $600 less expensive than the dual 1.25 GHz PowerMac. We also did a quick comparison between an almost perfectly similar equipped Dell dual 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 Xeon and Apple dual 1.25 GHz PowerMac G4 and found out that the Dell is still 500 to 600 Euros cheaper in Europe, while it outperforms the Apple in all content creation tasks. Of course, those simply seeking a PowerPC-based system that does not neccessarily run MacOS and does not cost a lot of money might look to the recently announced PowerPC-based ATX "Teron" motherboard.
 
Originally posted by PC Clone
The links I posted above are doing benchmarks on Photoshop and other Adobe programs... wasn't Photoshop originally made FOR the Mac?

Damnit stop changing your posts on me... and stop saying end of discussion when it's obviously not...

And benchmarks don't lie...

they may not lie, but they certainly prevaricate. don't ever assume a benchmark is final. there is always a flaw in a benchmark, especially a cross platform one.

you all have been talking about optimization of "ports" and the huge impact that has on benchmarking speed. for instance, our latest OpenGL 1.4 in the recent 10.2.3 update. i got decent system wide performance increases just from that.

photoshop benchmarks are bull. i have done enough comparing between my GHz tibook and my friend's 2 GHz P4 to know that, hey, some of those renders go OVER 2 times as fast on mine than his. and on some, his beats mine by a bit, sometimes by a lot. it all depends on the algorithms and how they interact with the processor... do you know how many filters there are in PS? and do you know how many of them the benchmarks you looked at tested?

Apple's own photoshop testing indicates that DP G4's are much faster than the P4. much like a tobacco company's tests on tobacco's effect on the human body are much less morbid than tests done by the DEA or whoever does them. Information is always twisted by bias, particularly in the mac-PC discussion, so why can't we all stick with our own machines? PC Clone, i think you really ought to go argue about how cool your 800$ AMD is with some PC slash-dotters... they might be out of your league, but it's really senseless to be posting on this forum if you don't like macs. this is not a mac bashing forum, i don't think. there are plenty on the net, i'm sure, and you can browse the net with your nice broadband and good ol' IE 6 and find one to suit your appetite. not that you haven't been one of the more civil mac-bashers, but, please, not here.
 
I only bash in response to the PC bashing I've seen here... and also, I don't base everything on one benchmark, but several, and I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find more... my point is, fine, if you like Macs because of the OS interface and the neat looking products and the simplicity of the programs, that's your taste... but don't go bashing PCs and PC users, because you are not better than us...

Also Shadowfax, where have I seen your name before?
 
i am in no way (yet) attacking the PC platform. I am attacking the way its main operating system utilises it.

And as for a non-MacOS ppc computer, i know they exist.

And here is a real link to moby dock. it is a program that gives win 2k/xp machines a dock.
 
Originally posted by PC Clone
Les- ok bud, fair enough... sometimes I wish me and my buds could take a look at you Apple guys' computers that you claim never seem to work... cuz like I said, XP Pro has worked great for me and everyone I know who has it...

Great screen shot. I need to address the "bashing" issue. I never do, at least intentionally. It's just that the vast history I have has guided me to the Mac as my platform of choice. I'm actually thinking of getting the new 3ghz Dell in a few months. Why? Like I said "Embrace those who seek the truth. Run form those who have found it". Let's all use our computer of choice and make history. And I apologize to anyone who felt I was ever bashing. To be fair I DO have 2 WIN2000 servers that have never failed. As a matter of fact I havn't rebooted them in a year! My "possesed" PC's? Gone. While any individual PC can run perfectly, my experience shows that in bulk, they never do. I am in charge of 750 machines. Only 30 of them are PC's now. The rest run from 333iMacs to G4 towers to Xserves. Those 30 PC's take as much of my resources as all the Macs combined. So going back to the reason for this thread, I'm proud I use a Mac because now I have TIME to be! :)
 
PC clone...

in a nut shell, many of us are former/current wintel users, we are not all just guys who haven't had the chance to experience the beauty of Microsoft..

That said, there are uses for all types of computers... if you are looking for an all around home computer and a game platform, no one here will tell you a Mac at twice the price is the way to go... but if you are doing publishing, graphics rendering, DV... the pro's usually go with Mac.. it's just more reliable.

As for why the benchmarks always show the mac lagging... just read the acehardware paragraph you posted...

Even at 1.25Ghz, the G4 is a powerful chip, most software out there is just no optimized that well for it, this is too bad because it would really shine.
Moto is still using a .18 micron process for the G4, and the speed is limited by that.... a .13micron chip is around the corner and that will likely run at up to 2.2Ghz.... take that and combine it with multi-processor based Mac/OS X systems and the gap wintel will once again be playing catch up.. because the P4 is not going to be doing 5Ghz anytime soon.

This battle will pick up with the 64bit chips comming out soon.... gone will be the 32bit OS and the clock speed will go back down to earth with it.. But the computers will do a lot more.

Just look the latest IBM 970 chip (rumored to be the G5).... it's an itanium killer.
 
My humble opinion!

First off I'd like to state that,for me, I'm still a Windows machine user, however I've also used a PowerMac G4 733Mhz QuickSilver before I tried overclocking it to death!

Now in my limited time (less than 1year) using OS X (10.1.5) I absolutely fell in love with the Mac OS X and hardware platform. This kind of emotion was never felt by me on any Windows machine.Y?

I had a hilarious and yet "heated" arguement with my longtime friendover PC's and Mac's. We argued just like everyone else over the vast software titles a PC user has access to and acquiring them for free over FTP/IRC/NiRC/MiRC channels. He mentioned that I'd be lucky to find any Mac related "iRC" channels over the net and if I did there might be 3 people their.......turns out he actually was right! LOL! less than 10 was found and the most found in any was actually 4 users of which only 1 person was active (answered my post in 49Hours). Advantage PC. When I finally bought my PowerMac I was glad that I PAID for software and got FULL support from the software company had I had any questions or needed technical support! Hence without paying for software comes the need of "iRC" internet channels for people not just to STEAL software but also get support for using it when needed.

Of the many arguements and discussions that my friends have it seems that there is always a race to see WHOM paid less for a part or a whole PC, getting the latest and greatest part to run the latest and greatest PC game and what the coolest tweak was!

I grew up all my life here in Toronto, Canada. learned about and used computers first on a Commodore PET originally in 2 months then my school upgraded to Apples (Orignal MacIntosh's and IIc's) from grade 4-8. In high school and in the accounting world it seems that PCs are the norm and rain supreme.

A revelation dawned upon me when I used the PowerMac last year. Computers where meant to assist the human mind in creativity and in computational analysis. Since then, the became a form of entertainment, and over the last 12 years on the PC side people had to adjust to how their computers worked (using apps--bugs/upgrading--hardware conflicts with the OS and apps/gaming--again OS conflicts/support and installing patches). And yet when I started using the Mac it only took me 2 days to honestly navigate through the OS, become highly productive in research and working on college assignments. I realized that the Mac was made to adjust to ME!!!!

For me, Y? Mac over PC? Games, thats what my PS2 is for and my kids use it more than me (though I do hope Americas Army is ported soon!). Versatility of Features in Office X, specifically the added features that IE, Word, and Excel have that are not available for the PC versions and all PC version features are available on the Mac. How even though CPU speed maybe faster on the PC side, the total system performance is much better on a MAC. And lastly and most importantly, Intel's 64-bit chip isnt 32-bit code compatible. Although AMD's SledgeHammers 64-bit chip will be..........Using an inferior Windows XP Pro on it will not compare to using a G4 CPU using OS X. What I mean is that OS X is a true MULTI-TASKING OS......it doesnt matter if Adobe,MS or any software company creates an application for OS X that doesnt natively support multiple processors, the OS X WILL give the application that added bonus of operating on multiple CPU's like it was coded to do so--even if the app wasnt originally!

UnixMac good arguements along with PC Clone.
Les Kern I really love that quote and hope that you dont mind if I use it!!!!!

Valclav Havel once said:" Embrace those who seek the truth, run from those who have found it".
 
Re: My humble opinion!

Originally posted by Prom1
I really love that quote and hope that you dont mind if I use it!!!!!

Don't use my paraphrase. The real one is "Keep the company of those who
seek the truth, and run from those who have found it." -Vaclav Havel (pretty amazing man)
I particularly like it because, as I grow older, I see the danger in all types of intolerant fundamentalism; whether it's politics, religion, or... PC/Mac wars. :)
Liked your story. I guess the one good thing that comes out of all this is that there is competition to see who can come up with the coolest most useful stuff, thereby advancing the lot of all. Long live the war!
Still, I am proud to use a Mac. Hey, I tried to do a Windows update on my 1.2Ghz OmniBook... it failed every single time I tried, and gave me really odd cryptic messages trying to explain why. There's ANOTHER reason I'm proud. Mac updates are flawless.
 
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