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What makes you feel proud of owning a Mac?

Well you all seem to have your reasons for using a Mac so I can't fault you for that, however I can't relate to your horror stories of using PCs... I also can't understand your affinity for OSX... I've never operated a Mac using OSX but it doesn't look too different from any other OS I've operated... I've never had trouble with XP and am even sometimes overwhelmed by how much I can actually do with it... at first I thought most Mac users were computer illiterate, but some of you seem to know your stuff... there seems to be no reason you should have all these problems with Windows, especially with the resources you have on the internet that can help... but to each his own... I look foward to someday using this OSX and finding out what all the fuss is about...

benixau- still doesn't work... what exactly is a dock anyway?
 
go to www.apple.com/macosx and check it out. It is a more functional, graphically better version of the taskbar.

if you want to install (maybe run it too?) you should be an administrator or at least a power user.

PC Clone, if you want more help getting it pm me and i will email it to you. you must have Win2k Pro or XP (Pro?) because it uses transparency.
 
Here's my .02, and it will be a quick one, since its nice here and I wanna grab some photos. :D

Young littler rice boys buy honda civic and put spoliers on them, lower them, put bigger exhausts and trick out the engines. What does that accomplish? It gets them an extra 25hp, upping the ante a slight bit.

It makes their honda faster on a straightaway but have you ever tried rally racing in one??? It's like riding a pot of mashed potatoes on wheels. You get thrown back and forth due to the general poor handling that affects the ol' honda.

A BMW, Saab, Audi or other "low marketshare" machine might lack the acceleration of the honda, but it excels in the curves, and acctually holds up just fine with the honda in a straightaway. Maybe even beats it. :) It's just that the rice boy thinks the spoiler adds 10mph to his car and that the Saab or Beemer is a "yuppie old man's" car.

Sure, you pay more of a premium, but you get a car where attention has been paid to the details...

Make sense pc clone? I bet you have or want a tricked out civic. Me? I'm buying a Saab 9-3. And I'll toast yer rear any day. :)

Just my like DP1000. I know how to use it. baby.

I really still wanna do this "analogy" with ***** sizes. teehee
 
Update

Thanks Les glad you enjoyed my story.
About the paraphrase....even though I really like it and feel the same way about it as you as I continue to grow I will respect your request :( right after this post!

PC Clone...........The best way I can explain all the fuss of owning and using an Apple computer is this: when you buy a car or a cellphone for that matter would it not make sense to buy a product that is created, assembled and OS written from just 1 company (No matter how monopolistic that sounds)? Motorola cellphones although nice looking good quality the operating system of the last 7 in the past 3 years is highly glitchy compared to the top 2 manufactures and sales companies -- Nokia and Ericsson/SonyEricsson (of witch also produce the largest # and most widely used Cell Sites & software on which GSM/GPRS/EDGE/CDMA2000/UTMS networks operate on). Also when you purchase specific brands of Ford or Chevrolet/Pontiac cars you tend to get that "Clone" look and feel that always isnt what the original can provide --Ford Probe GT vs Mitsubishi Eclipse vs Eagle Talon AWD were all produced using 3 engines and platforms originally from Mitsubishi. Also the Chevy Cavelier and Pontiac Sunbird/Sunfire are basically the same car except for a few internal ergonomics and external cues, but one is better quality while the other is better looking. So when I buy a computer from say IBM being the best quality of PC worldwide--proof in them making the most consistent business sales--compared to say Gateway; although its still 2 or more companies assembling the hardware and operating system there is still room for too many glitches and errors. However when I will buy a Mac I am confident that the software and hardware within it will be fully support, troubleshooting will be easier to deal with (since Apple will not have to refer you to MS for an OS issue), and the complete solution gives me more bang for my buck outta the box to use all the hardware as it was intended, greatly increasing efficiency.


Great conversation we all have here thus far!
 
It's About Pedigree!

Hi,

I used to have a copy of the Apple/Addison-Wesley book on the Macintosh User Interface (ca 1988). Don't have it anymore, lent it to someone and never got it back! I recommend it. There is a more modern book with a similar title but it's written from a different view-point.

But I digress. There may be folks here who know Apple/Mac history better than I do; I'm open to correction but I think the essence of what I'm going to say is correct.

In those days (i.e. 198x), Apple put a team of clever people into a think-tank with the brief to spell out how the computer should serve the user rather than burden him/her by requiring the user to serve the computer. Remember, this was the era of command-line interfaces.

Most of the recommendations that the think-tank team made were not feasible with the technology of the time, 8-bit processors too slow, RAM too slow and too expensive, hard drives too small, slow and expensive etc., etc.

Nevertheless, Apple put into the Mac as much as they could at the time. In succeeding years, even through the era when the CEO knew more about soft drinks than he did about computers, Apple put more and more of the think-tank's recommendations into each succeeding generation of Mac hardware and OS. They stayed faithful to the original vision and implemented more and more of it as the technology made it feasible to do so.

That is the pedigree that is unique to the Mac and which, as far as I know, no other computer can claim and that's why I want to have and use a Mac.

I do also have a Windows machine, I had to get it to comply with the requirements of the British Open University and to get up-to-speed with the machine my employers put on my desk. I do think that Windows has improved over the years, something had to replace the DOS user interface and once it arrived then it needed improvements. But have those improvements enjoyed the consistency and integrity which are the legacy to the modern Mac from that original think-tank?

It's also relevant to say 'imitation is the sincerest form of flattery'!

I can't speak for the latest Macs (I can't afford one but that's a UK thing and a worthy topic for another thread!) but it seemed to me that a Mac application didn't require as much RAM or hard drive as a comparable Windows-based one. If there are software writers reading this, maybe you can comment on this aspect.
 
Originally posted by PC Clone
I only bash in response to the PC bashing I've seen here... and also, I don't base everything on one benchmark, but several, and I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find more... my point is, fine, if you like Macs because of the OS interface and the neat looking products and the simplicity of the programs, that's your taste... but don't go bashing PCs and PC users, because you are not better than us...

Also Shadowfax, where have I seen your name before?
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sorry about the ext. away over xmas, i only had 56k access at the place i was and really couldn't stomach it, opting to wait the ~1 1/2 weeks to get back to broadband. shadowfax is from lord of the rings, and he's actually in the movie that just came out (2 towers). if this has already been mentioned, sorry for the superfluity of this post. if that's not a word, it's close enough for me.

peace out.
 
New Titanium

I've always been proud of my Macs because of their superior design and engineering as well as the wonderful operating system. Only until recently have I been disappointed with the new Titanium due to it's poor airport reception. I'm told that the metal case interferes with the signal and that I should get an external 3rd party wireless card or external antenna. I think this is ridiculous and is poor design and engineering. I'm not the only one with this problem: the Apple support forum has many posts describing the same issue. I hope that Apple can do something about this soon. Has anyone here had this experience with the TiBook?
 
Re: New Titanium

Originally posted by EJG
I've always been proud of my Macs because of their superior design and engineering as well as the wonderful operating system. Only until recently have I been disappointed with the new Titanium due to it's poor airport reception. I'm told that the metal case interferes with the signal and that I should get an external 3rd party wireless card or external antenna. I think this is ridiculous and is poor design and engineering. I'm not the only one with this problem: the Apple support forum has many posts describing the same issue. I hope that Apple can do something about this soon. Has anyone here had this experience with the TiBook?
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I use my TiBook 50% of the time, have a wireless network at home, and my whole school is wireless. I noticed that, compared to iBooks, the signal was only about 10% lower according to the status bar. I saw somewhere that if you remove the battery and press, hold and slide the wall between the battery compartment and outside of the case that it would re-seat the antenna. I did this and for me it worked. My signal is strong, and MacStumbler shows identical signal strength on both laptops.
The only time I have seen dropouts at all was on the iBooks with a bad airport card. Also, the signal does increase if you turn the TiBook a bit to point the side of the case to the hub.
 
Re: Re: New Titanium

Originally posted by Les Kern


I use my TiBook 50% of the time, have a wireless network at home, and my whole school is wireless. I noticed that, compared to iBooks, the signal was only about 10% lower according to the status bar. I saw somewhere that if you remove the battery and press, hold and slide the wall between the battery compartment and outside of the case that it would re-seat the antenna. I did this and for me it worked. My signal is strong, and MacStumbler shows identical signal strength on both laptops.
The only time I have seen dropouts at all was on the iBooks with a bad airport card. Also, the signal does increase if you turn the TiBook a bit to point the side of the case to the hub.
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Do you have one of the latest TiBooks. They have been improving airport reception little by little with each new release of them.
 
Re: Re: Re: New Titanium

Originally posted by MacBandit


Do you have one of the latest TiBooks. They have been improving airport reception little by little with each new release of them.
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Alas, no. I have an early 400. No complaints though.
 
I don't like windows. I'ts ugly and really buggy as filled with viruses... allways haveing to patch something or what ever.
I don't like the hardwear, even thow the specs are great... Running Linux or Unix should be great in an AMD 1.7 Ghz... and I belive that that pc will run graet.

But I prefere the ease of use of the mac OS, the cool computers (looks) and the specs... I really don't use much apps but MS Office and internet apps... Music and photo stuff, but all in OS X.

Pc are good as Mac's are. but not all the stars are the same... that is the beuty of life...

G.-
 
Loving OS X

1. The one mouse button, no confusion for myself or my kids (I'm more efficient with keystrokes, kids how to use the Mac easier when taught with one mouse button).

2. I can cycle thru EVERY open WINDOW in a single program (Command+Tilde~), just like going thru individual programs (Command+Tab) This equals more productivity on a Mac. YOU CANNOT do this on a WINDOWS machine--->really funny since the OS is called WINDOWS!

3. No more ridiculous and annoying error windows complaining about Registry, DLLs, IRQ settings because some bad coded or even well coded application decided to take over the OS' files and rewrite them. On a Mac at least I can understand in plain English what the error report is telling me.

4. Mac has only 1 ever present Menu Bar!!!---Saves screen realestate, especially good when you cannot afford a 17/19/23" monitor but still good even if you do. Imagine 5 apps open on a single monitor all with menu bars all over the screen that you cannot even reduce just to the tittle bar only--when comparing info on 2 different windows that must be open. I dont want to go thru several different (say 20 applications) boxes on a task bar to see how many windows are open in a particular app.

5. Within my Applications folder (PC program files Name of Program folder, within this folder) Application have their own Plain English title names no some junk like WINWORD.EXE.

6. When I delete a program all I have to do is open my Apps folder and drag+drop to the Trash + empty the Trash. No worry of destabilized fragments left over, or fragments that are shared with the systems files in the system folder on a PC. Example Try installing Adobe Acrobat Reader then uninstall it on Windows ME/95/98SE/XP and you'll get some error saying some files cannot be removed because their being shared.

7. Shortcut keys for folders on a Mac--Cannot do on Windows.

Cheers
 
Originally posted by PC Clone
Oh that thing... isn't it basically the same as the Quick Launch?
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sort of. it also shows us what is open without taking up any more space.

w/wuick launch, they are jsut a set of buttons. your apps still show up in the taskbar.

>the taskbar does this:
host start-button (entity in itself)
quick launch (if on) and any other toolbars
show open apps + app windows
host systray items

>dock does this:
quick launch eqiv
show open apps
host trash can
show minimized windows

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the dock is much simpler. with the menu bar at the top for all menus + systray eqiv. our screen is much more organized. less confusion on where to look for things.

but i always maintain it is personal perference. Its just given a preference most people chose MacOS's interface, but windows' compatability. I have all i need/want/desire on the MacOS platform. why choose windows??
 
my PC

I own a pc, i've owned one all my life. The one I curently use is a 650Mhz AMD w/ 512 memory running XP, it's not much slower than my dad's 1.8gig P4, but has a whole lot of problems. Like when I turn it on, it makes a noise like a dial-up modem, and I have to restart it. It also has other problems that I don't feel like listing, but none of these problems occur on my dad's PC. However i'm switching to a iMac, because the one's i've seen at the apple store and CompUSA completely blow both pc's out of the water. If PC Clone had ever used Mac OS X, he would realize that it's completely superior.:)
 
1. The fact that any computer from apple (maybe except for the eMac) inspires PC users to switch, drool at the beauty, or just stare.
2. Guys who see girls using Macs ask them out
3. It's a great product from Steve Jobs, the great and wonderful CEO of Apple and Jonathan Ive, the greatest and most innovative guy on earth.
4. It's great for everyone from computer illiterate people to advanced users, alpha geeks and developers.
 
pretty sad that you depend on your computers for a date. :(

tho i do agree macs will get more public attention than PCs in general, weather it be of the opposite sex or not, weather the females "giggle" or not... just dont count on it being your matchmaker.:rolleyes:
 
Innovation.

How about the fact that even their "failures" are incredible efforts.

I'm thinking of OS X 10.0 and of course the *glorious* Cube.:cool:
 
Xero, we do not depend on our computers for dates.

if that was the case i would be dating someone in CA by now. of course i am not and living in australia makes that so much more difficult.

you see we were just commenting. saying that, as you so bluntly put, macs attract more attention than their beige and black couterparts.

no worries.

moby1, apple has never had a failure. just something that didnt go according to plan. You see that cube would be perfect now. DP 1G, 333DDR RAM upto 2G. SD + 120GB HDD. a smallish fan (or none at all) and it would be a killer of a machine.

all apple had to do was fit it with a full size AGP and PCI slot and we would all be clammering to buy one.

it was just too early for it to be terribly successfull. of course, now that those specs can be realised, go check how much they fetch on ebay.
 
Originally posted by Xero
pretty sad that you depend on your computers for a date. :(

tho i do agree macs will get more public attention than PCs in general, weather it be of the opposite sex or not, weather the females "giggle" or not... just dont count on it being your matchmaker.:rolleyes:
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I think most women don't have to depend on much to get dates as they usually hold the key to the vault... if you know what I mean..:D
 
Each Mac is a complete composition.

An artistic composition, that is.

The Macuser's seamless experience comes from the completeness of the concept that underlies the design and functionality of the machine.

No design or performance point goes unconsidered. Sure, sometimes we wish a certain area had gotten more attention at a paraticular time, but if we don't want our computers to cost $6000 each, some compromises must be made.

Each Apple is about providing a complete product. I wouldn't want a Yugo with a V-12 in it, because it wouldn't be useful at all. Efficiency and integration of design is paramount to Apple, as it should be, and we are the beneficiaries of their vision.
 
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