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Just a graphics card.

The new iMac is great, it's more than I expected it to be. I wasn not expecting an update anytime soon, not a complete update anyway. Not only did we get an update but the iMac now gets a G5 processor and has shrunk into basically just a screen.
I am going to order Bluetooth for mine but I can see why it is not an industry standard yet. The only thing I will use BT with is my PDA because nothing else I have is wired for it right now. So that's $45 to get rid of one USB line. Eventually I will have everything connected wirelessly but BT printers are still a new item. It will be a while before everything has bluetooth and everyone has new equipment. I'm glad Apple is pioneering the technology, but it isn't the same as USB. USB was such a clear improvement while not costing that much more.
As far as a camera being standard, I think that would be premature also. Not enough people have the internet connections necessary to really use a camera online. Just not enough people are interested in it yet. Apple obviously has more plans for camera use for communication onlineand tout the ability to have multiple people involved in a video conference. It would add cost to the iMac and would be a feature that most people would not know what to do with for a while.
What Apple does need to do is fix the graphics card problem. I'm not really a gamer. I like CIV 3 and games like that but recognize how important game playing ability is right now with young computer buyers. If someone asks you what kind of computer you have and you say Dell, then there is the possibility that it is a good gaming machine. If you say you have an Apple then it is automatically perceived that you have a poor gaming machine. I know that it has little to do with how good the computer and software is but a lot of decisions are made based on social reasons.
Apple is winning with the iPod, but it is giving the consumer exactly what it wants. I know that the vision for Apple computers is different from that of being a gaming machine. With iLife your Apple is the processing center for all of your creativity. Where you can combine, create and produce almost anything you like. Which is enough for me, personally I find that more rewarding than playing games. But games are fun and more popular than ever right now.
And since iMac is the model more likely to be purchased by young people and students it should have better gaming abilities. It's going to be side by side with PCs in dorms, if Apple starting beating PCs there it is going to make a lasting impression. If not standard that at least as an option.
I know that it probably takes away from the "vision" behind the iMac, but when you are selling more and the extra production has lowered overall costs you can think about incorporating more features. I would meet the needs of the market place first. With a killer graphics cards I can't see how you could say that there is a better PC out there right now.
 
jkaz said:
so for the ultimate machine, we have:

23"
built-in:
ae
bt
standard 512 ram
upgrade to 128 vram
bluetooth remote control
fax/telephone capabilities
the capability to use as digital tv recorder
and maybe a 'built-in' isight

at the prices these new imacs are at, i'm very very surprised that they
don't offer an "ultimate" imac


for this config:
• 512MB DDR400 SDRAM - 1 DIMM
• 250GB Serial ATA drive
• AirPort Extreme Card
• Bluetooth Module
• iSight
• Bluetooth Module + Apple Wireless Keyboard & Mouse + Mac OS X - U.S. English
• 20-inch widescreen LCD
• 1.8GHz PowerPC G5
• SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
• NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra w/64MB video memory


Subtotal $2,451.00

isn't this still well below the top of the line g4 imac?



***edit***

update with info from apple-history

"The 17" model, with an 80 GB hard drive, 256 MB of RAM, 64 MB of VRAM, and a CD-RW/DVD-R "SuperDrive" was $1799.


In November 2003, Apple introduced a 20" flat-panel iMac, with specs otherwise identical to the 17" model, for $2,199. All models were discontinued in July 2004."


take off the isight and keyboard/mouse and you have

g5 1.8
extreme
bluetooth
250 gig hd
512 ram


for the same price as

g4 1.25
80 gig hd
256 ram

no extreme, no blue tooth.

quite a difference it seems



look at these figures, tho, xtremehkr.

if you add the bluetooth and airport extreme to the 20in, you are in the same price range AND have more hd, processor and ram.

apple could have easily had a 'high end standard' for personal computers by loading it with the 250 hd, one chip of 512 ram, bluetooh, extreme, and if they could have given the option of 128 ram, make it only available in the top top model.


i don't know video cards very well, but i'm not going to buy a new computer that has a lesser video card than a friend of mine that just bought a powerbook with a better one.
 
Maybe

jkaz said:
look at these figures, tho, xtremehkr.

if you add the bluetooth and airport extreme to the 20in, you are in the same price range AND have more hd, processor and ram.

apple could have easily had a 'high end standard' for personal computers by loading it with the 250 hd, one chip of 512 ram, bluetooh, extreme, and if they could have given the option of 128 ram, make it only available in the top top model.


i don't know video cards very well, but i'm not going to buy a new computer that has a lesser video card than a friend of mine that just bought a powerbook with a better one.

Maybe there will be an ultimate model that will be announced in time. I don't mind that iMacs have one or two features that are beaten by a PC. From what I recall the 20" iMac comes with a 160GB HD that for $90 more can be upgraded to 250G, not bad. You're right about the Extreme though, there are wireless cities now and that technology is almost standard. Memory I am not all that worried about either, a one gig upgrade and you have quite a lot, probably as much as I would need.

Apple's strength lays in the overall combination of hardware, software and design. Apart from the graphics card, other weaknesses are small by comparison. When looking at the strengths though there are many that Apple has now.

The design is superb, and not many people expected the G5 to become a standard. The software though it way under rated in my opinion. iPhoto, Mail, Safari, iMovie, iDvd, Mail, iSync, iCal and even Appleworks are all great and very reliable programs that make life a lot easier. Not to mention the OS which makes Bill Gates cry.

Given the overall picture I stand by the iMac as being the best deal out there right now. But I would pay a little more for a better graphics card, or to be able to put a better one in there.

Especially if this new iMac lasts as long as my old one is. I don't really need a new Apple, I just want one. How often do you hear people complaining about how long their computers last because they have no excuse to get themselves a new one?

I think that if gaming weren't so popular right now the new iMac would be cleaning up the competition, by the consumer focus is on gaming right now. Meet the demands of the market with Apples standards and I don't see how they can go wrong.
 
Yes, it sucks for gaming.

If it's compared to the top of the line PC/Mac.....

but it kicks A55 on my not so old Dual 867Mhz G4 Tower with a Radeon 8500 card. I'd take it for gaming. 😀
 
All those who are unhappy with the new G5 imacs should just buy a PowerMac. I myself am going to get a PowerMac instead of getting another imac. Sure people say that the PowerMacs are too expensive but you pay the same amount when you look at things 4-5 years down the Road. Over a 4-5 year period one can easily go through two imacs while a PowerMac like todays Dual G5 lineup could last 4-5 years before having to get a new machine. Not to mention the time savings one would enjoy on the Power Mac.
 
MarkCollette said:
Can anyone confirm if we need FW800 for HDTV (1080p), or if FW400 would suffice?

i'm pretty sure FW400 is sufficient for HDTV.

1) a lot of HD boxes come with FW400 interface
2) standard broadcase can be handled by USB1. (ex. eyeTV USB) HD is more signal but i don't think it's so much that FW400 can't handle it.
 
solvs said:
Advice to you newbie, not a way to make friends here. Neither is starting a thread on something like this when there are a ton of them out there. No offense, but this has been brought up already. A lot.

I agree that the VRAM is a little skimpy, but as someone who doesn't play video games it doesn't matter to me. Neither does Airport or BT (or camera). I'd rather not pay for them, and for those who do, adding them is pretty easy. That's all Fuzzy meant (though you could be a little nicer to the newb, we were all new at one point). It's too bad Apple doesn't also give you a way to upgrade the video card when you buy it like with the PowerBooks, but I guess that's what the Towers are for. Maybe Apple will come out with a low end Tower soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

Unfortunetly the iMac is not for you. Understandable. But people are kinda sick of hearing about this. Yes, it sucks for gaming. E-mail Apple to complain. Then join the New iMac thread.

I hear your point, but how many of us would play games, IF our Macs had good enough graphics cards?
 
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