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You can't expect a replacment for every little problem you spot. Especially backlight bleeding. They all have it. They already gave you replacements. If its just a wifi problem they can easily fix that. I'm not trying to be a dick but it just seems like you're abusing the return system because the machine isn't flawless. The bad part is that they offer to repair it and you refuse. I've had many issues repaired by them. I got a replacment only after they fixed one of my MacBooks 3 times.

In reading other threads, there are some members here that have had way more replacements on the new iMac than I have, and their's were ALL for yellowing/backlight bleed. I've had numerous problems, not the same thing everytime. Why aren't they banned, but I am? And a repair would take longer than a replacement, the Apple Store here has a really slow turn around time. At least they did. Took my buddy a week and 1/2 to get his MacBook Pro fixed.
 
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I see your dilemma. Get your money back and then have a friend lend you their credit card and order a custom mac. Then just pay him cash or what ever. Hope things work out for you
 
I suppose if Apple put a logo in a turd you'd be first in line to hand over your money.

If Apple did that, do you think Apple would be making $10s of billions in straight profit? You know who does do that and it shows? HTC and Dell.
 
If Apple did that, do you think Apple would be making $10s of billions in straight profit? You know who does do that and it shows? HTC and Dell.

If you hand over $2,500 for a computer it should be flawless when you get it.

Apple only make so much because yourself and others are happy to accept second rate quality. You would make billions if you sold everything you made for at 100 mark up.

Before anyone claims the rubbish from any of the tear downs They haven't got a clue how little Apple pay for anything.
 
If you hand over $2,500 for a computer it should be flawless when you get it.

Apple only make so much because yourself and others are happy to accept second rate quality. You would make billions if you sold everything you made for at 100 mark up.

Before anyone claims the rubbish from any of the tear downs They haven't got a clue how little Apple pay for anything.

My buddy used to work back of house at the Apple Store awhile back, margins are pretty high. He told me how much the store or Apple would pay for some of the items. And it's definitely not like buying a video game that only has a 5-10% markup, haha.
 
I know that you've already been in touch with Tim Cook but I would either try him again or else try a consumer champion in one of the national newspapers. We have several here in the UK in the broadsheets who can be good at applying a little pressure. A case with Apple would probably be quite attractive to them because of the click bait on the website!

It sounds like - from what you've told us - that the guy at Apple is being a little un-professional. Acting out of spite is not something that I would expect from any customer service team.
 
This is the biggest load of crap I've ever had to deal with. I think for $2500, I should have a computer that works properly. I do not know who else to contact because when I call the online store I'm directed back to Executive Relations. And when I talk to the guy handling my case at Executive Relations, I ask if I can speak to someone else or his superior. He tells me I am only allowed to talk to him. I call BS. Most people at Executive Relations are just kids... well mid 20's.

At this point I don't know if I want to own an Apple product and they don't seem to care. I guess me buying 12-13 computers, 4 ipads, 7 iphones, and 5 iPods (family) over the years doesn't mean anything.

It's a mass produced product - you can't expect absolute perfection from a mass produced product. And you're correct - they couldn't care less about your purchase history - if anything - bitching and saying "Well i've bought XXXX over the years why wont you help me" will actually make them want to help you less.

Maybe you should give up and do Apple a favour and take your $2500 elsewhere - since you seem to expect a replacement machine for anything less than perfection. I'd have told you to get ****ed 2 replacements ago.

And they're perfectly entitled to request it back, and to ban you. You're costing them money. If anything you probably got the A/C adviser in trouble for going against an ER decision. ER = final say. End of conversation.
 
It's a mass produced product - you can't expect absolute perfection from a mass produced product. And you're correct - they couldn't care less about your purchase history - if anything - bitching and saying "Well i've bought XXXX over the years why wont you help me" will actually make them want to help you less.

Maybe you should give up and do Apple a favour and take your $2500 elsewhere - since you seem to expect a replacement machine for anything less than perfection. I'd have told you to get ****ed 2 replacements ago.

And they're perfectly entitled to request it back, and to ban you. You're costing them money. If anything you probably got the A/C adviser in trouble for going against an ER decision. ER = final say. End of conversation.

I'm not looking for a perfect computer, I'm looking for one that works.
 
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If you hand over $2,500 for a computer it should be flawless when you get it.

Apple only make so much because yourself and others are happy to accept second rate quality. You would make billions if you sold everything you made for at 100 mark up.

Before anyone claims the rubbish from any of the tear downs They haven't got a clue how little Apple pay for anything.

I never said i'd accept second-rate quality. Better check yourself. Considering how many people buy and repeatedly buy Apples, I would assume their quality isn't second-rate on average. And because they make so much money, I also don't hesitate to send a flawed product back.

I was replying to his broad statement of Apple's marketing being so good, they could sell turds.

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My buddy used to work back of house at the Apple Store awhile back, margins are pretty high. He told me how much the store or Apple would pay for some of the items. And it's definitely not like buying a video game that only has a 5-10% markup, haha.

Apple makes no secret of its margins, per SEC filings and rules. It's 25%. More on iphones, iPads, less on iMacs.

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It's a mass produced product - you can't expect absolute perfection from a mass produced product. And you're correct - they couldn't care less about your purchase history - if anything - bitching and saying "Well i've bought XXXX over the years why wont you help me" will actually make them want to help you less.

Maybe you should give up and do Apple a favour and take your $2500 elsewhere - since you seem to expect a replacement machine for anything less than perfection. I'd have told you to get ****ed 2 replacements ago.

And they're perfectly entitled to request it back, and to ban you. You're costing them money. If anything you probably got the A/C adviser in trouble for going against an ER decision. ER = final say. End of conversation.


Costing Apple money? What are they, the local family mom & pop shop?
 
Costing Apple money? What are they, the local family mom & pop shop?

No, but they're still a business whose main goal is to make money, not satisfy somebody with excessive OCD over tiny problems in a mass-produced product.
 
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Also, going the PC route isn't a simple one, not because I don't know how to use one, I do. I just have a lot of money invested in OSX software.
 
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Update: So I emailed everyone at Apple I could, and then Apple Global Security calls me, says I am not a welcome as an Apple customer anymore. As she would not let me record this conversation, I asked if I could, I am typing this out instead. I asked what exactly this meant and she just repeated "you not a welcome as an Apple customer anymore". So I asked, "Well, If I buy an Apple product from the store and buy Applecare can I get my product serviced, or does this only apply to the online store?". Again the response was "you not a welcome as an Apple customer anymore, you are to cease and desist writing to Apple or contacting them from hereon."

I never did anything to justify this. I just emailed and wrote corporate to get my issue resolved. And I guess it is resolved, anyone want to buy a ton of apple products?
 
Man that sounds annoying! I became frustrated just reading how Apple were dealing with it.

I have noticed though, they do not offer the service they used to back in the day which is unfortunate. I have had to deal with their customer support many times and it's just not first class like it used to be.

In regards to returning, I don't blame you for returning a cosmetically damaged product. Apple pride themselves on how well built every one of their products are. How many times have we heard Phil go on about it at keynotes? Consumers should expect a pristine product from Apple, as simple as that. You definitely pay the price for one.
 
IMHO, we are only hearing one side of the story. To me I think something he did caused Apple to react this way. Threatening calls, or something a long those lines. If you didn't, then I apologize, but never seen a company including Apple do this.

Now it's time to get the BBB and Attorney General involved. It obviously seems Apple refuses to help you any more. And if they record you, and say they are recording this conversation, that automatically allows you to record them too and you don't need their permission.
 
IMHO, we are only hearing one side of the story. To me I think something he did caused Apple to react this way. Threatening calls, or something a long those lines. If you didn't, then I apologize, but never seen a company including Apple do this.

Now it's time to get the BBB and Attorney General involved. It obviously seems Apple refuses to help you any more. And if they record you, and say they are recording this conversation, that automatically allows you to record them too and you don't need their permission.

I never threatened them, I wrote them very professional emails, and mailed letters. You could see my frustration through the letters and emails, but I never threatened them. The only threat I made was to not buy an Apple product again. I did send A LOT of letters to various corporate emails, but it was all pretty much the same thing I wrote in my first post just going on more about how dissatisfied I was. And that email they sent me had no disclaimer how this was for my eyes only. So it's fair game. They told me it was illegal for me to record the conversation. I looked at state laws and it is without their permission, otherwise I would have.
 
Oh and if anyone wants to see what I wrote to Apple, here it is exactly as I wrote it:

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Edit: here's the very original, the one above I added some stuff and the BBB at the top

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I feel your pain. After getting 4 iPad's, 3 iPhones and 2 AppleTV's I was ready for a Mac PC, but that didn't work out for me as I really wanted. My original hackintosh was much better and less problematic then 3 brand new iMac's.

I am on a 3rd replacement (this time brand new, not a refurbished) and still have a problem with screen not being uniform. To some on this board, $1800 might be a pocket change or half yellow screen might be OK, but it isn't for me.
I am sick of waiting about 2 weeks for another replacement (my systems were BTO) since no local stores carry anything other then base models

This system goes back to Apple, but this time around, I am not buying another one. I really love the look of iMac, but I cant rationale keeping one knowing that I can get a better and a bit bigger random screen out of box for $150 and it wont be yellow. If I was a big gambler, I would continue this adventure of buying/waiting and returning defective systems, but I am sort of burnt out after 3rd time. No more iMac's for me and at this point I will wait and see for what will be announced next month (if anything)
 
I feel your pain. After getting 4 iPad's, 3 iPhones and 2 AppleTV's I was ready for a Mac PC, but that didn't work out for me as I really wanted. My original hackintosh was much better and less problematic then 3 brand new iMac's.

I am on a 3rd replacement (this time brand new, not a refurbished) and still have a problem with screen not being uniform. To some on this board, $1800 might be a pocket change or half yellow screen might be OK, but it isn't for me.
I am sick of waiting about 2 weeks for another replacement (my systems were BTO) since no local stores carry anything other then base models

This system goes back to Apple, but this time around, I am not buying another one. I really love the look of iMac, but I cant rationale keeping one knowing that I can get a better and a bit bigger random screen out of box for $150 and it wont be yellow. If I was a big gambler, I would continue this adventure of buying/waiting and returning defective systems, but I am sort of burnt out after 3rd time. No more iMac's for me and at this point I will wait and see for what will be announced next month (if anything)

That's unfortunate. $1800 isn't pocket change for me, so what I spent definitely isn't pocket change. What's sad is that Apple thinks this yellow problem and backlight bleeding are up to standards. What's even more sad is the PC my father bought for $600 and the $300 monitor look and work better than any of my iMacs did. Oh and my 2006 intel core duo white iMac works better and screen looks better too (well the wifi and Bluetooth) it's pretty slow for anything besides web browsing haha.

But honestly I can't believe Apple Global Security called me. That sickens me, and makes me feel like I'm a criminal. I didn't do anything wrong. Well apparently asking for a working computer is wrong.
 
I never threatened them, I wrote them very professional emails, and mailed letters. You could see my frustration through the letters and emails, but I never threatened them. The only threat I made was to not buy an Apple product again. I did send A LOT of letters to various corporate emails, but it was all pretty much the same thing I wrote in my first post just going on more about how dissatisfied I was. And that email they sent me had no disclaimer how this was for my eyes only. So it's fair game. They told me it was illegal for me to record the conversation. I looked at state laws and it is without their permission, otherwise I would have.

If they are recording you, you don't need their permission to record them. That is the law. That is the reason they say we are recording this conversation. Did they say that or did anything say that on the call? If so, you should have recorded them.
 
If they are recording you, you don't need their permission to record them. That is the law. That is the reason they say we are recording this conversation. Did they say that or did anything say that on the call? If so, you should have recorded them.

Unfortunately no, she never said she was recording the conversation. But the more I think about it the more it angers me. I was on speaker phone and she told me someone else was in the room, don't remember their name. But it was ridiculous, she wouldn't answer any of my questions, any response was pretty much "because apple said so", everything was vague. They made me feel like a crap, I didnt do anything wrong. I'm just a disgruntled customer, doesn't global security for Apple have more important things to do than call me?
 
If you haven't I would contact the Attorney Generals office. That works much better than the BBB. I have had to use them before against AT&T and it worked out much better than BBB's response in helping me.
 
But honestly I can't believe Apple Global Security called me. That sickens me, and makes me feel like I'm a criminal. I didn't do anything wrong. Well apparently asking for a working computer is wrong.

Man, I've read you're thread and you have certainly been through some ordeal, I have to say. Yes it's true Apple can be reluctant to just doing over-the-counter replacements, but rather they prefer to try and repair. I had issues where they "repaired" my iMac but damaged other things in the process. The customer service at the store wasn't good and I went to Customer Relations. They took care of me although I had to jump through a couple of hoops.
Here's the thing though, I'm not trying to jump on you per say but like one other poster mentioned, there's two sides to every story. While your posts to us here MR comes across as humble, nobody here knows other than you what really went on between you and Apple. Firstly I can't even read that email you posted, the text is too small and blurry.

Even if the letter was well written without threats (other than to never buy another Apple product) nobody here knows other than you what you said to them on phone conversations. After all you did say you were on the phone with them for 2hours.
I've been in sales for way too many years and as a customer myself I've had my share of frustrations with a company for their lack of customer service but there's never been a time where security had to get involved and directly contact me, let alone ban me as a customer of a major corporation such as Apple. That's just not common whatsoever. And all my years in sales security never got involved with customers unless there was theft or something threatening that occurred.

I won't accuse you of anything but I can speculate that you're not being as honest to us here MR as you want us to think. Sure, you showed us the letter (that I can barely read...:rolleyes:) but I'm thinking you've said much more over the phone that turned out to be very threatening. You weren't even allowed to speak to the customer service rep you'd been dealing with. If security intervened there had to be much more to the story than you're telling.

As far as other people on MR habitually exchanging iMacs for yellowing screens, you can't believe everything you read on the internet. People do exaggerate. Case in point why I'm holding much of your posts suspect. You're portraying yourself to be an innocent customer who was wronged. You probably were but as Apple's security had to get in touch with you, sounds like you put forth more force towards them then you're letting on.
You're able to tell us what you want us to know here, I'm wondering what Apple would say if they could post their experiences with you?

Once again man, not trying to slam you but your story, plus Apple's security getting involved just isn't adding up to you being completely innocent. If you have truly been 100% innocent here with zero reason for Apple's security to get involved then yes, you should get in touch with BBB. Just know that Apple will have their side to tell with proof just as you will.

P.S. They can't stop you from buying a Mac, you can get one anywhere outside of Apple's stores. For service, use someone else's name and let them get the servicing done.


If they are recording you, you don't need their permission to record them. That is the law. That is the reason they say we are recording this conversation.

No, they don't say that. Companies have to say (and it's usually done by an automated voice) "This call MAY be recorded for quality and control purposes".
 
You aren't the only one losing faith in their quality and customer relations.

Since the last refresh of all their products between me and friends we've owned every new product, and the failure rate on everything is significantly higher than the last 15 years I've been with apple.

The wifi issue is to do with their new network cards. Believe me when I say this because I could barely use the Internet on my new retina MacBook. Wouldn't talk to anything regardless of what I, or the geniuses did. However I persisted on my own one night til the early hours and after what seemed like 100 resets of my mac, all of the trouble shooting you described, and re setting my airport express it just started working and I've had no trouble since. I used the 5G mode initially but now it works on the 2.4 too. It's a bizarre problem but there are many complaints on the apple support pages with frustrated customers. Apple just don't want to admit it.

If I were you I'd be pretty pissed at how they've handled you as a customer and that they seem almost arrogant to their own success to the point that they are becoming cheap and lazy with customer service.

Which ever option you decide, best of luck. I've had 6 iPhones with faults and I'm still not happy. Just seems to the be the way these days - high volumes of sales, high levels of problems.
 
I recently read a story that Apple is going to do less replacement but more repairs since it would save them at least $ 1 B / year.

Complain in Wall Street Journal and see how the reaction is then. When Steve Jobs originally left Apple the company lost track and nearly went under.

I wonder if Steve Jobs is watching this from wherever he is - if so he must be fuming so quickly the rot has set in. Once again the pencil shufflers have taken over.
 
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