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What to Expect at Apple's 'Spring Forward' Media Event
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Your comment was fantastic - spot on!
I'm amazed at how people have become (read: like you said, it's the same group of people most often, but the group seems to become larger by the day). In another forum, I commented about how it would be nice to have an option for full OS X on an iPad, or at least some hybrid solution. I got attacked, saying iOS does everything I need. Apparently others know what I want. When I explained the changing market, and pointed out how many of Apple's competition offers full or hybrid OS options on tablets, they chastised me for having an opinion.
That's the sort of behavior that stagnates Apple's innovation. When you accept and defend Apple's shortcomings, they see no need to innovate, as they get into a mode where they know even if they release garbage, their followers will follow. When they're not held accountable for releasing a quality product, what's the motivation to design such products?
That's just the problem. It doesn't work as a target device for anything (including mac pro). There are a ton of 4k screens available, and they are all fine (for the most part), but I'd love to see an apple one that is thunderbolt, has camera, etc, etc.
Also keep in mind the TB display is targeted to be used with MBx. So with a new macbook air, especially if it has new charge adapter, I really do have hope there will be a refresh. 5k isn't possible right now as an external monitor, but even if they make it with fused glass like the current low-res iMac, I think thousands of people will be happy very quickly.
Me too. I think the stock price will go up dramatically in the early part of the day (like it did last Friday). Then, I have no idea. I bet it will slowly drop over the next few days unless Apple starts taking order and tells us they've sold millions. Stockholders need good news or the stock will go down.
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The reality is that iOS and Mac OS X are about 90% parity under-the-hood, so it really has never been about putting "full OS X" on iPads.
This isn't really a *new* thing either...the number has climbed but when I was originally hacking the iPhone before the full SDK was released, I was amazed at how much "Mac OS X" is in there.
So I guess the better question/position is "what do you want on 'iOS' that is on 'Mac OS X' that Apple isn't giving you?"...because if defined that way, it is very probably coming sooner than you think.
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The reality is that iOS and Mac OS X are about 90% parity under-the-hood, so it really has never been about putting "full OS X" on iPads.
This isn't really a *new* thing either...the number has climbed but when I was originally hacking the iPhone before the full SDK was released, I was amazed at how much "Mac OS X" is in there.
So I guess the better question/position is "what do you want on 'iOS' that is on 'Mac OS X' that Apple isn't giving you?"...because if defined that way, it is very probably coming sooner than you think.
-K
I'm going to guess faster with about the same battery life. 12 hours listed probably means 7-10 real life (depending on use, excluding 3D games), which is probably enough to comfortably get 90%+ of people through a day, and I think Apple is OK with that. Also the possibility there's just a smaller battery, and the extra space could be used for other things. Eventually that'll mean thinner, but I guess we need to wait for a major case redesign for that (maybe the rumored 12"-er is that).
You've been able to have a keyboard since the beginning, so they haven't kept that from you.
A mouse OTOH...there is no cursor as it is Cocoa *Touch* so I don't know about that
-K
Glad technology has reached the point where you are fine. Guess we can just stop here.
Longer battery is always going to be better.
I think we should wait for this aforementioned...
..."garbage" before we use that label, no? Is there a particular recent product you had in mind to apply this to? I've bought pretty much everything out of Apple in the last few years and can't think of a single product that fits that moniker, but we may buy different things...
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..."garbage" before we use that label, no? Is there a particular recent product you had in mind to apply this to? I've bought pretty much everything out of Apple in the last few years and can't think of a single product that fits that moniker, but we may buy different things...
-K
Why would you want a mouse and a keyboard on an iPad or iPhone? Kind of pointless...if you want one of those use a MacBook or an iMac
From pictures alone apple steel link looks better and also has a more expensive look to it.
The keyboard makes sense, but there is no cursor for mousing. Maybe this person doesn't like touching the display...tho this was framed in the context of "hybrids" so IDK...
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Not seeing this as more than an Apple hobby. yes there will some hype and sales in the beginning, but will die down fairly soon.
That's my feeling b4 it launches.
Why? Well I see most saving their $350 minimum and putting it toward a new phone or upgrading their data plan etc.
I see the Watch as mostly redundant. There's some convenience gained by having a small screen on the wrist but offset for most by having to keep track of another device and charge it and update it. And heaven forbid if you have to "troubleshoot" it.
IT's a bit Ipad like in nature too in the redundancy of it all. Big, normal and tiny screens. The Apple family. For most just buy a new bigger screened phone.
I'm not seeing the fashion side either because of 2 factors. First, the expensive watch is the cheap watch except for the expensive band. Ok and the face will look a bit nicer but not really since it is mostly a screen.
Second, your nice expensive watch will be crap next year. I know that doesn't stop many from buying expensive Macs, but this is something worn on your wrist.
And let me add that this really is Apple's first foray into what is much more of a fashion item than anything else they've done.
That's my feeling b4 it launches.
Why? Well I see most saving their $350 minimum and putting it toward a new phone or upgrading their data plan etc.
I see the Watch as mostly redundant. There's some convenience gained by having a small screen on the wrist but offset for most by having to keep track of another device and charge it and update it. And heaven forbid if you have to "troubleshoot" it.
IT's a bit Ipad like in nature too in the redundancy of it all. Big, normal and tiny screens. The Apple family. For most just buy a new bigger screened phone.
I'm not seeing the fashion side either because of 2 factors. First, the expensive watch is the cheap watch except for the expensive band. Ok and the face will look a bit nicer but not really since it is mostly a screen.
Second, your nice expensive watch will be crap next year. I know that doesn't stop many from buying expensive Macs, but this is something worn on your wrist.
And let me add that this really is Apple's first foray into what is much more of a fashion item than anything else they've done.
You've been able to have a keyboard since the beginning, so they haven't kept that from you.
A mouse OTOH...there is no cursor as it is Cocoa *Touch* so I don't know about that
-K
I just don't think iPad + keyboard = laptop. Then you are getting into the whole windows hybrid crap.
As long as there is non-touch software that doesn't exist on the iPad, a mouse and keyboard will be a must. But to answer your original question, no, there really isn't anything that macs can do that iPad doesn't or couldn't potentially do. And if xcode was available on an ipad and ipad had a keyboard, I probably would ditch my MBA.
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You missed the question of the original poster. He was presenting the idea that there is nothing that a mac can do that an iPad doesn't or potentially couldn't do. The best argument I could come up with was that input devices would be a problem.
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I was thinking the same thing. I mean I will buy a mac pro and when next version comes out, I will sell current and buy a new one and only lose 500-600 in the process (with my type of job, that's fine, I know a lot of people that's not fine). But that's a Mac Pro, it has good resell value. How would an older watch that would be obsolete sell for 7500, 50k or whatever prices they are giving it? People who can afford those watches would not be buying them from eBay as they are more of a fashion statement (would you buy expensive clothing from goodwill?)
Releasing a gold watch is certainly a radically different approach. They have not released gold iPhones or iPods. Even just having the steel and aluminium versions, ie, selling the same product using different materials is something completely new.
Therefore existing pricing patterns might easily not apply. Getting a 128 GB iPhone 6 Plus follows existing pricing and up-sell patterns. Get something more with each $100 step. Whatever your initial purchase target was, just spending $100 more could give you something tangible (size or storage). Getting the gold version will certainly not be the traditional up-sell, whether it costs $2000, $5000 or more.
Lol at this comment. What's wrong with buying an Apple Watch Sport? The fact that you can't afford an Apple Watch Edition doesn't make you less of a person. I guess you only buy 128 GB iPads and 64 GB iPhones then...
Why do you guys think the sport is going to be cheaper than the regular one.
On the site they list
Watch < Sport < Edition
I'd think that order is a price sort order as they list it.
I'm on the same boat. I don't see Apple selling the steel version for thousands of dollars, I'm thinking it'll be like around $500, maybe $600. The Apple Watch Edition is another story though, that may very well be $5,000, $10,000 or $20,000. It really depends on what Apple wants, maybe they just want the Apple Watch Edition to be a niche product, only for the really rich people because if you think about it, I don't think a middle class customer will buy a $2,000-$5,000 watch, they may as well just get over it and sell it for $20,000 for the really rich people.
Will you be able to change bands? Just curious if they update the watch if you will have to buy the whole thing, or if you will be able to just buy the watch.