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Just curious, but why would the new Mac Pro and Studio be updated to the M4 chip instead of the M5? Wouldn't the M5 be the better chip since it's the latest? I'm not sure of the differences between them or whether an M4 Ultra is better than an M5.
Manufacturing capacities for any new chip generation are limited, and are thus allocated to the best-selling devices first, which for the M series means iPads and MacBooks, and also to the simpler designs of that generation first. Lower-volume devices like the Mac Pro and Studio get it last. Whatever chip generation a new Mac Pros or Studios gets, it will be at a time when the next chip is already upcoming, if not already launched.
 
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What I want (in no particular order):

  • Get rid of the notch
  • Get rid of the island
  • Enable face unlock on all devices
  • Fix the plastic issues that makes the keys shiny after a while
  • Affordable storage options on hardware
  • AI that works or is not there at all
  • Get serious about the Max headset
  • Get serious about the mouse
  • VP is not going to happen outside very specialized use cases. Let it go.
  • A phone which does not require the hands of a giant
Alas, none of these will happen in 2025 (nor 2026, probably).
 
It depends on how you define working. Apple hasn’t grown in almost 3 years because consumers have stopped buying Apple products regularly and/or interest in Apple products has waned.

Apple’s stock price is completely detached from fundamentals and financial engineering can only mask the problem for so long. Growth in passive investing is another reason for their stock performance but that’s another topic for another day.
Please share whatever it is you have been smoking to incorrectly suggest "Apple hasn’t grown in almost 3 years because consumers have stopped buying Apple products."
 
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Please share whatever it is you have been smoking to incorrectly suggest "Apple hasn’t grown in almost 3 years because consumers have stopped buying Apple products."
They’re a publicly traded company. You can look up their financials for yourself.
 
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I am waiting for Mac Studio Ultra, I moved to AMD/Nvidia to replace my Mac Pro 2012. The 24 GB RAM in 4090 is a bottle neck for my workflow, my M1 Max 64 GB MBp, though slower GPU is doing lot more than I planned. Hopefully M4 ultra supports 512 GB RAM.
Ok, just curious, what would you gain from having that much RAM? I noticed a pattern when using LLMs which is that for every billion parameters, you'll need 1GB RAM. So, if there's 128 billion parms, you need 128GB. Right?
 


Apple is going to have a busy year in 2025, based on the rumors that we're hearing right now. All of the rest of the Mac lineup will be updated with M4 chips, plus there's a new iPhone SE coming, and a whole new iPhone 17 "Air" that's slimmer than any iPhone to date.


The iPhone 17 Pro models might also get a major design update with a new look for the camera and the chassis, plus Apple is going to debut a whole new "Command Center" device for smart homes. New AirPods Pro 3 are on the horizon, and some iPad refreshes are coming, too.

This guide outlines everything that we know about the new products coming from Apple in 2025, based on current rumors.

New Flagship iPhones

It'll come as no surprise, but this September, Apple will unveil the iPhone 17 lineup. Apple is making some major changes to its flagship models this year, eliminating the iPhone 17 Plus and introducing a new ultra thin model.

iPhone 17 Air (September 2025)

In 2024, Apple introduced a super thin iPad Pro that's just 5.1mm thick, and it's part of a new trend toward making products thinner and lighter. Instead of an iPhone 17 Plus, this year we're getting a super thin iPhone 17 that'll be something of a hybrid between the standard iPhone 17 and the iPhone 17 Pro in terms of price.

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We don't yet know what Apple will call the new iPhone, but rumors have been referencing it as the "iPhone 17 Air," and the "Air" name fits in with the "Pro" naming that Apple already uses for the iPhone lineup.

The iPhone 17 Air will mark the biggest update to the iPhone's design we've had since the iPhone X launched in 2017. The iPhone 17 Air isn't a directly replacement for the iPhone 17 Plus, so it's not just an iPhone 17 that's thin. It's going to have a single-lens 48-megapixel camera rather than a dual-lens or even triple-lens setup, and there's a new display size.

It's supposed to have a 6.6-inch display, so larger than the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro, but smaller than the 17 Pro Max. It will be slim, but just how slim is unclear. Rumors suggest that it could be around 2mm thinner than the iPhone 16 Pro, which measures in at 8.25mm thick, so between 6 and 6.25mm is likely. That would make the iPhone 17 Air the thinnest iPhone to date, slimmer even than the 6.9mm iPhone 6 that holds the title right now.

Because the new iPhone is so thin, it can only house a single-lens rear camera, and there's only going to be one speaker at the top rather than one at the top and one at the bottom. It's possible there will be a narrower pill-shaped cutout for the front-facing camera, resulting in a narrower Dynamic Island, but whether that'll actually happen remains to be seen.

This year, all iPhone 17 models are expected to get ProMotion display technology with up to 120Hz refresh rates, so that will no longer be a feature limited to the Pro models.

The iPhone 17 Air could get a titanium-aluminum frame, which would keep it lightweight, and it will have the same next-generation chip Apple plans to use in the iPhone 17 rather than the higher-end chip Apple will use for the Pro models.

Apple plans to use its Apple-designed modem in the iPhone 17 Air to test it out. The new 5G chip will be launched in the iPhone SE, low-cost iPad, and iPhone 17 Air this year, and Apple is already working on improvements that will make it feasible to use across the iPhone lineup.

The 5G chip won't support mmWave 5G, but it does have sub-6GHz 5G, which is more commonly used in suburban and rural areas in the U.S. and in other countries.

With the iPhone 17 Air, Apple is focusing on design and form factor as the device's selling points rather than its internals, and we are expecting a price tag somewhere between the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro. It's likely to be more expensive than the iPhone 16, which is priced starting at $799, but less expensive than the 16 Pro, which starts at $999.

iPhone 17 (September 2025)

Apple still plans to offer a plain old iPhone 17, and it could have a larger 6.3-inch display, up from 6.1 inches. It's expected to be Apple's lowest-cost flagship device, but rumors suggest we can count on a dual-lens camera setup with a 48-megapixel Main camera, a 24-megapixel front-facing camera, and support for ProMotion.

iPhone 17 Pro (September 2025)

The iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max will be Apple's high-end devices per usual, but this year there could be some notable design changes. Rumors suggest Apple is planning to do away with the titanium frame in favor of an aluminum frame, and there could be a half-glass half-aluminum rear casing.

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Removing half of the glass in the iPhone 17 Pro models and replacing it with aluminum would make them more durable to drops and damage, while leaving support for wireless charging in place.

There have also been rumors about a new camera bump that's made from aluminum rather than glass. Some rumors say it will have an "elongated oval shape" and a horizontal layout, but it's not quite clear just what the camera setup is going to look like at this point.

The iPhone 17 Pro models could get 12GB RAM, with other models set to have 8GB RAM.

Apple is expected to upgrade the camera in the Pro models, introducing a 48-megapixel Telephoto lens. With that upgrade, the iPhone 17 Pro models will have a 48-megapixel Wide lens, a 48-megapixel Ultra Wide lens, and a 48-megapixel Telephoto lens.

At least one iPhone 17 model is expected to have a mechanical aperture that will let users adjust the size of the aperture, which changes the amount of light that reaches the lens. A variable aperture will let images be captured with a shallower depth-of-field, and it's likely that this would be an iPhone 17 Pro feature.

Features Rumored for All iPhone 17 Models
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Article Link: What to Expect From Apple in 2025
“isn't a directly replacement”
 
I don't know why, but, 2025 feels like it's shaping up to be the biggest year in the history of Apple.

I expect:

  • All-new Apple Vision Pro that moves the needle in every conceivable way.
  • All-new Apple Vision that brings the power of Vision to the masses with insanely affordable (below $2000) hardware.
  • All-new iPhones with new design language, improved Apple Intelligence capabilities, and best-in-class camera system.
  • Incredible iPads Pros with M5 built for the next generation Apple Intelligence and Apple One (Ultra).
  • New Apple TV with Apple Intelligence content discovery features.
  • New HomePod lineup with Apple Intelligence.
  • New Apple Watch with enhanced Apple Intelligence capabilities.
  • New AirPods Pro 3 with Apple Intelligence capabilities baked right into the experience.
  • New Apple One Ultra plan with new productivity apps and the most powerful Apple Intelligence features.
Also: Expect new Macs for legacy computing customers still using macOS.

Not entirely sure about "insanely" affordable as ~$2000 USD

Apple hasn't had best in class camera system for many years.

I am not sure about all these Apple Intelligence usage.

All of that means is if Apple Vision doesn't gain traction. And Apple Intelligence ( or LLM ) isn't as big of a deal. I dont see how it is the biggest year in the history of Apple. That bar was set by the launch of iPhone.

I am also not sure which part of PC is legacy. If anything the world has learned PC ( Mac or Windows ) isn't being taken over by Tablet in any shape or form.
 
I'll definitely be getting the Series 11 watch and Airpods Pro 3.

Might also be tempted to get a 17 Pro Max.

No plans to replace my M3 Air.

Nothing else interests me. I'd like a Vision headset but not until it's on the 4th or 5th gen and the price comes down.... if Apple doesn't kill it lol.
 
I don't know why, but, 2025 feels like it's shaping up to be the biggest year in the history of Apple.

I expect:

  • All-new Apple Vision Pro that moves the needle in every conceivable way.
  • All-new Apple Vision that brings the power of Vision to the masses with insanely affordable (below $2000) hardware.
  • All-new iPhones with new design language, improved Apple Intelligence capabilities, and best-in-class camera system.
  • Incredible iPads Pros with M5 built for the next generation Apple Intelligence and Apple One (Ultra).
  • New Apple TV with Apple Intelligence content discovery features.
  • New HomePod lineup with Apple Intelligence.
  • New Apple Watch with enhanced Apple Intelligence capabilities.
  • New AirPods Pro 3 with Apple Intelligence capabilities baked right into the experience.
  • New Apple One Ultra plan with new productivity apps and the most powerful Apple Intelligence features.
Also: Expect new Macs for legacy computing customers still using macOS.

“The 11 biggest tech flops of 2024, ranked – from Windows Recall to the Apple Vision Pro.”

Moving the needle?
To kill the pain?
Ouch.

 
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No one wants an iphone air, watch air or whatever air with even more ridiculous battery life time. No one cares about 1 or 2mm, seriously, that is no real innovation :confused:
I want an iPhone air. The only stupid bit is they’re making it too big in width.

As a iPhone mini fan I want another small phone.
 
I'd say you're guaranteed to get m5 MacBook pros, m4 MacBook airs, m4 iPad airs and m5 iPad Pro.

When will the next ultra drop for the studio? and will it be an m4 or leading with the m5 ultra?
 
M4 ultra studio, please. Soon.

nVidia made my waffling easy. If I'm gonna pay steep prices on a new machine, I might as well get the one with the OS I like and one that won't melt my legs off and noticeably dim the lights when I switch it on.

I do hate waiting for Apple to upgrade their higher end hardware.
Or need a small nuclear fission reactor to power
 
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Any chance of a larger iMac? The 27" was removed, but never replaced ... and not everyone can afford a Studio plus screen.
 
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