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Unfortunately, the marketers decided that "5K" was just a label to play with.

And the "K" in 2K, 4K, 5K, 6K, etc. is not about PPI. As used by most manufacturers, K=720. It's a count of lines in the height of the display. 720p is one of the standards that the ATSC came up with for defining the generation of television post NTSC. Computer makers picked up on it, as well as standardizing on the 16:9 aspect ratio of the ATSC, though many of us prefer the 16:10 or even 4:3 ratio for computers.

The Dell in question is a 2K monitor, 1440 lines.
So... the XDR is a 4K monitor?
 
I've almost pulled the trigger on a LG C3 over Christmas but the fear of burn in keeps me from doing it. I guess at this point with OLED advancements it might be an unrealistic concern.
None on mine at all... but yeah, I've only had it just about 19 months, not 10 years =)
 
Wish I could get excited about Apple displays. Unfortunately, since the “budget” (and over engineered) model starts at 1500, and I work with three displays, they’re a non-starter no matter how good they are.

Dell makes such good displays at reasonable prices, that don’t even look bad, that I just can’t even consider Apple displays sadly. Apple are gradually pricing themselves out of my range.
You have 3, 5K displays? Dell 8k displays are $4,000+. They built a $50K competitor 6K Pro Display for $5K. For the average home users replacing their iMacs, the Max/Ultra Studio. So those that really can’t spend that can use any monitor.

It’s much like their laptop. Yes it’s $2K but compare the speakers, trackpad, solid frame with most competitors. Even my $4K Alienware only competes with its display and graphics and Cherry MX keys.
 
Unfortunately, the marketers decided that "5K" was just a label to play with.

And the "K" in 2K, 4K, 5K, 6K, etc. is not about PPI. As used by most manufacturers, K=720. It's a count of lines in the height of the display. 720p is one of the standards that the ATSC came up with for defining the generation of television post NTSC. Computer makers picked up on it, as well as standardizing on the 16:9 aspect ratio of the ATSC, though many of us prefer the 16:10 or even 4:3 ratio for computers.

The Dell in question is a 2K monitor, 1440 lines.
2K refers to the number of pixels horizontally, its a approximation of resolution 2048 × 1080, commonly used with TV/Media
4K is an approximation for the same, refers usually to 3840 × 2160 (4K UHD media) or 4096 × 2160 (movie projector.)
5K is yet another approximation of pixels to the 5120 × 2880 resolution.

720P is widescreen HD
1080P is full HD
144OP is quad HD
 
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If they update the XDR they better make it more “pro” by adding an HDMI or sdi port and a way to hardware calibrate it with a more common spectrometer than the ones they allow.
 
I don’t see any of this changing before thunderbolt 5
That's a good point, but if I recall correctly Intel said that the first devices with support for TB5 will be released in 2024. So I wouldn't be surprised if the next gen MBP or Mac Studio will come with support for TB5, with an updated display that comes shortly after
 
It seems like Thunderbolt 5 with up 120 Gbps 'Bandwidth boost' is required for 5K/6K at 120HZ external displays. We won't see Macs with that until M4 or even M5 in 2025/2026. I hope we see a miniLED Studio Display and OLED Pro Display XDR with ProMotion sooner rather than later, will pretty much be 'peak' display.
Well both the Studio display and Pro Display XDR are only running Thunderbolt 3, so even Thunderbolt 4 should be enough to just double the refresh rate since they both double bandwidth of Thunderbolt 3.


Edit: I was wrong. The Bandwidth doesn't double with Thunderbolt 4, it has the same bandwidth as Thunderbolt 3.
 
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AAPL has made a huge mistake in their display technology and market appreciation. Rare, but their corporate ego can sometimes be self destructive. There is a larger market for newer Apple desktop devices - from the lowly Mac mini to the studio max - that can’t justify the cost a Mac display. It feels like a rip off, especially with money grabs like $400 height adjustment and the other options. In turn, a chink in the ecosystem develops and they took what was once an opportunity for expansion and turned it into an opportunity to turn customers away. i was so ticked and annoyed at the blatant money grab that I turned my back on a loaded studio max, display and a $5k purchase and built a superior machine from scratch. All over a $400 height adjustable rip off. My watch will not be replaced, my air pods max still suck and I’m eyeing up an S24 when my phone contract is up in May. A Mac friendly, ecosystem integrated, more affordable display would open up Mac desktops to more than a few market verticals. Not to mention, AAPL wouldn’t look like crap to their most loyal customers of 2+ decades.
 
AAPL has made a huge mistake in their display technology and market appreciation. Rare, but their corporate ego can sometimes be self destructive. There is a larger market for newer Apple desktop devices - from the lowly Mac mini to the studio max - that can’t justify the cost a Mac display. It feels like a rip off, especially with money grabs like $400 height adjustment and the other options. In turn, a chink in the ecosystem develops and they took what was once an opportunity for expansion and turned it into an opportunity to turn customers away. i was so ticked and annoyed at the blatant money grab that I turned my back on a loaded studio max, display and a $5k purchase and built a superior machine from scratch. All over a $400 height adjustable rip off. My watch will not be replaced, my air pods max still suck and I’m eyeing up an S24 when my phone contract is up in May. A Mac friendly, ecosystem integrated, more affordable display would open up Mac desktops to more than a few market verticals. Not to mention, AAPL wouldn’t look like crap to their most loyal customers of 2+ decades.

Who hurt you ?
 
Expecting Apple to release a larger iMac sometime within the next two years. Don't think the displays from Apple will change much
 
I think it would be a great idea to allow tvOS or, even better, iPadOS but more desktop-like, to the Studio and Pro Display XDR, since they either have or will have an Apple silicon chip. Basically what Samsung does with the M series monitors.
remember Front Row? that was great.
 
Let me translate those rumors for you into the Apple product roadmap for the 400 days coming:
- 27” display with thin iMac form factor, same annoying brightness jumps and same speakers that lack any depth for the price tag of the current 27” display. But hey, it’s thin!
- 32” pro screen for $$$$$$$$$$$$$
- about the larger iMac, just shut up and buy the Mini/Studio options (for twice to thrice the money, of course)
 
Valid, but at the 30"+ viewing distance I sit at for the screen size... you don't really see it. Kinda like a billboard, you can get away with a 6 megapixel photo because the cars are 200 feet away.

Yea, it depends on whether you're using it for viewing text documents or watching video
 
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That's a good point, but if I recall correctly Intel said that the first devices with support for TB5 will be released in 2024. So I wouldn't be surprised if the next gen MBP or Mac Studio will come with support for TB5, with an updated display that comes shortly after

The next gen Mac Studio will have M3 and the M3 variants released so far only have Thunderbolt 4 controllers. I guess we'll have to wait for M4 (= spring 2025) before Apple will release new displays with high refresh rate. Unfortunately. I urgently need to replace my 2017 iMac and was planning to buy the M3 Studio this year....now, I am not sure if I better hold out another 12 months...
 
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Well both the Studio display and Pro Display XDR are only running Thunderbolt 3, so even Thunderbolt 4 should be enough to just double the refresh rate since they both double bandwidth of Thunderbolt 3.
No, it's not enough. Thunderbolt 4 has the same bandwidth as Thunderbolt 3. It's not enough to double the refresh rate of a 5k+ display unfortunately. Will have to wait for M4 gen.
 
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I just wish they'd make the Apple Studio in a wider (no pun intended) range of sizes with the same feature-set (built-in speakers; webcam; 5k+ resolution) as the current 27". A large ultra wide with high-res for example would be great, but Apple have never really got into the monitor game in a big way so not sure I could see them changing now.

The XDR is clearly overdue an update, but not sure if they will update the 27" yet. Maybe they will just add a higher-spec 27" alongside it?

I know the XDR specifically didn't have a built-in webcam due to some of the environments it was likely to be used-in, but I do wonder if they would update it with a better panel, add speakers etc so there was more of a standard set of features across all the monitors.
 
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