I am still not sure if a OLED external Monitor a good decision is. As a TV i have no concerns, but for a Mac/PC-Display with many static elements ... hm... and if such Monitor will cost >2.000€ or $ and will show Burn out effects after 3 years... I still use a 5K LCD-based Display from Dell from 2015 til today and the Display is still 1a!
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What to Expect From Apple's Next Studio Display and Pro Display XDR
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With computer and display connected with another dangling cable. Unlike the 27” very stylish iMac.
I’m still running on a late 2014 iMac 27” i7. The only thing I would complain about is the display showing ghosting artifacts, actually.
I’m running a 24” iMac M3 next to it, and it really does not show me the great difference in performance, what it is marketed for. It depends on use case maybe, but the performance is not really the killer here.
The screen size limit of the 24” sucks big time though. The audio quality is poor with a very flat sound profile (who would have guessed that from speakers having to squeeze into this unnecessarily flat design…). The overall impression of build quality and design is rather miserable.
How's the burn-in as compared to these results?
Longevity And Burn-In Investigation: 10-Month Results - RTINGS.com
Longevity And Burn-In Investigation: 10-Month Results
It has been about ten months since we started our long-term accelerated longevity and burn-in test, and our 100+ TVs and monitors have cumulated over 500,000 hours of runtime.
www.rtings.com
On-topic: Should it "come to pass", it will be interesting to see how Apple's rumored implementation of of "dual stack" OLED technology fares for burn-in.
Checking it over with several burn in tests, I notice none -- pretty remarkable.How's the burn-in as compared to these results?
Longevity And Burn-In Investigation: 10-Month Results - RTINGS.com
Longevity And Burn-In Investigation: 10-Month Results
It has been about ten months since we started our long-term accelerated longevity and burn-in test, and our 100+ TVs and monitors have cumulated over 500,000 hours of runtime.
On-topic: Should it "come to pass", it will be interesting to see how Apple's rumored implementation of of "dual stack" OLED technology fares for burn-in.
What are you using for your burn-in testing? We purchased both a LG G2 and C2 for the holidays in '22 and after keeping track of the rtingsdotcom on-going burn-in test (linked above) I'd be curious to learn more about about how to properly check our panels as time rolls along.
On a cost-basis vs longetivity, one could purchase 5x OLED TVs for grading vs 1x Pro Display XDR but the OLED TVs never attain a true 1000-nit HDR grading environment. Interesting that it seems as though Sony has now decided to go miniLED for its flagship HDR TVs.
First look at Sony's next-gen miniLED LCD TV technology – updated - FlatpanelsHD
First look at Sony's next-gen miniLED LCD TV technology – updated
FlatpanelsHD got a unique first look at Sony's upcoming flagship
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I held out for 2 weeks hoping for a VESA mount standard ASD to show up in the refurb store. Everything but that model has been showing up. I finally gave up and placed an order for a new one from B&H. I got the impression that the model I wanted was so high in demand that even if a few of them showed up as refurbs, the chance that I'd be able to snag one in time would be slim.
No more than a day after I place my order, guess what shows up in the refurb store? Yup, it's the one I've been waiting for, but when I click on it I find that it's already out of stock. It sold out so fast that the index page hadn't had time to update to show that it was no longer available.
I made my decision and was planning on living with it regardless, but I'd be lying if I claimed I didn't feel just a little bit better about the refurb models vanishing before I had a chance to ponder my options.
No more than a day after I place my order, guess what shows up in the refurb store? Yup, it's the one I've been waiting for, but when I click on it I find that it's already out of stock. It sold out so fast that the index page hadn't had time to update to show that it was no longer available.
I made my decision and was planning on living with it regardless, but I'd be lying if I claimed I didn't feel just a little bit better about the refurb models vanishing before I had a chance to ponder my options.
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You seem bothered but I don't see that is Apple's fault.
Companies make products that can keep them in business, and companies (unlike governments - the two are different concepts for human societies) must make a profit.
It is wholly unreasonable to be mad at a company just because they won't make a small-niched product like a 32" 6k XDR AIO. That would be an expensive (circa $7000) product that would make up less than 1% of their computer sales, to say nothing of the overall company portfolio. Most people spending more than $7000 on a computer will not want an AIO but will buy separates. That's is what people do today, not just with Apple products, but all the other vendors out there.
It's like you don't accept that Apple actually wants to make money.
If there was a market for a 32" 6k XDR AIO then some company out there would make one.
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Well, that's an awful lot of conjecture! LOL
Every user has their own use needs and it truly is nice (no snark) that Apple provides a product line to currently suit yours.
Me? I'm looking for a 32"6K XDR iMac for my ever-growing backlog of 6K HDR footage aaand, as I expect to be purchasing an ≥8K HDR capable camera setup this year, it would be nice see a 42"/8K XDR iMac on offer from Apple, as well.
For those of us shooting HDR content (be it on our iPhones or mirrorless cameras), there's a gaping hole in Apple's line up with the absence of large(r than 24") screen iMacs capable of editing, grading, producing in a full 4K, 6K, 8K resolution HDR environment. And, as Apple's XDR displays currently outperform even the highest-level consumer HDR televisions, it would be nice to make use of said XDR iMacs as a delivery platform for such HDR content consumption. Perhaps fulfilling Steve Jobs' long-sought Apple Television vision?!
Look, I appreciate that there are many users for whom such a device makes no sense for their needs and uses, and that's fine, no one is trying to dissuade their purchasing decision...quite frankly, spending time on how others spend their money is never part of my day. They're happy? I'm happy for them!
For this user, I come to these forums to let Apple know that I'm amongst their AIO user-base who are still still waiting to upgrade their 27" iMacs (2019 i9, in my case) with 24", 28", 32" and 42" XDR models! FWIW, my M1 Max 16" MBP just ain't cutting it with that teeny display and a Studio/PD XDR combo is, and has been, a non-starter, er, "solution".
You taking notes, Tim?
Why? How would a couple of extra cable prevent you from editing 6K/8K video?
I understand being less desirable solution.
The allure of an AIO is simplicity, turn it on, get to work. I wish to think no further regarding my desktop computer than I do to watch some television or listen to the radio...they're all just appliances.
The gaping hole in Apple's XDR lineup is obvious, there are XDR iPhones, XDR iPads, XDR MBPs, and, yes, XDR component desktop computers with the Mac Pro, Studio and Mini and the Pro Display XDR...so, whither goes the XDR iMac?
To me, it's a win-win world where Apple provides the tools of choice to their user base...should one wish nothing more than an M4 Max 32" 6K (or 42" 8K) XDR iMac with some TB4/TB5 ports, they can buy one, and should another user wish a more configurable M4 Max Studio with more I/O and the option for any display of their desires, they can go that purchase route, as well.
For this user, I have absolutely no need or desire to have to accommodate desk space for an unwanted bloc of aluminum along with the extra cabling/wiring and the accommodations for an extra power outlet just to do what an identically-specced AIO will accomplish with a single power cord. XDR iMac, please.
As I see it, the XDR iMac is an inevitable device. HDR content creation suffers from many obstacles as I type this, the primary hurdle, as I see it, is a full-resolution HDR desktop environment for the masses to create that content...in broad terms, adoption of new standards occurs when a critical mass of users have migrated to that technology. On this point it should be noted that Apple revealed with their XDR MBPs that transporting their "DCI-P3 1600-nits" video signal internally to their MBP XDR display is the elegant solution (eliminating a whole daisy-chain of I/O gadgetry to get a proper HDR signal to an external non-Apple display). An elegant solution that will arrive (hopefully sooner than later) with the XDR iMac.
Anyhoo, those are my needs and requests from Cupertino.
P.S. To your "How would a couple of extra cable prevent you from editing 6K/8K video?" question specifically...if it were only "so simple" as a couple of extra cables, here's the reality in all its gory details...
LG OLED C Series (C1/C2) DaVinci Resolve Mastering Display Tutorial - YouTube
(Note: I have zero affiliation with the link's author, provided for educational purposes, only.)
...32"/6K and 42"/8K XDR iMacs, please! LOL
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I can just see the riots on this forum and YouTube when John Ternus takes the stage at WWDC 2024 and announces the 32" iMac Pro XDR with a starting price of $9999 with an M3 MAX, 32GB of RAM and 512GB of storage.
Better yet base M chip, 8GB of RAM and 256GB of storage but only $8499. But all the rest available as BTO with Apple’s typical markupI can just see the riots on this forum and YouTube when John Ternus takes the stage at WWDC 2024 and announces the 32" iMac Pro XDR with a starting price of $9999 with an M3 MAX, 32GB of RAM and 512GB of storage.
I can just see the riots on this forum and YouTube when John Ternus takes the stage at WWDC 2024 and announces the 32" iMac Pro XDR with a starting price of $9999 with an M3 MAX, 32GB of RAM and 512GB of storage.
Nobody needs 32GB ram :/
For me, the biggest news would be a 50% drop in the price of the current XDR when a V2 is announced. Yeah, wishful thinking on my part. lol
Presently dreaming of my next monitor setups and I’ll start with one comment: if the next XDR includes camera and mic it becomes substantially less interesting to me. Those are not ”features” in a pro display, they’re distractions.
That said, while perusing old rumours of next gen Apple displays, and using a Studio Display at present, I’ve realized that simply having a larger Studio Display would hit the sweet spot for most of my needs. Scale that 5K display up to 6K, add ProMotion, and I’m in the market. But not a guaranteed sale… if the XDR picks up the tandem OLED tech from the iPad Pro I may break down and add it. It’s certainly of more interest than the Studio Display to me. Perhaps both to replace my present dual 32” 4K setup…
Regardless, I expect Thunderbolt 5 to be required for any true enhancements to Apple’s display lineup. C’mon Mac Studio with TB5…
That said, while perusing old rumours of next gen Apple displays, and using a Studio Display at present, I’ve realized that simply having a larger Studio Display would hit the sweet spot for most of my needs. Scale that 5K display up to 6K, add ProMotion, and I’m in the market. But not a guaranteed sale… if the XDR picks up the tandem OLED tech from the iPad Pro I may break down and add it. It’s certainly of more interest than the Studio Display to me. Perhaps both to replace my present dual 32” 4K setup…
Regardless, I expect Thunderbolt 5 to be required for any true enhancements to Apple’s display lineup. C’mon Mac Studio with TB5…
to the monitor vendor:
After extensive discussions in various forums, you should build the following monitor:
~32", 6K, 120+Hz, Glossy Coating, max. 2.000€, DisplayPort 2.x & TB5 support
After extensive discussions in various forums, you should build the following monitor:
~32", 6K, 120+Hz, Glossy Coating, max. 2.000€, DisplayPort 2.x & TB5 support
To simplify, I would hope the current XDR drops to half of the price and let the updated version command the current pricing.Presently dreaming of my next monitor setups and I’ll start with one comment: if the next XDR includes camera and mic it becomes substantially less interesting to me. Those are not ”features” in a pro display, they’re distractions.
That said, while perusing old rumours of next gen Apple displays, and using a Studio Display at present, I’ve realized that simply having a larger Studio Display would hit the sweet spot for most of my needs. Scale that 5K display up to 6K, add ProMotion, and I’m in the market. But not a guaranteed sale… if the XDR picks up the tandem OLED tech from the iPad Pro I may break down and add it. It’s certainly of more interest than the Studio Display to me. Perhaps both to replace my present dual 32” 4K setup…
Regardless, I expect Thunderbolt 5 to be required for any true enhancements to Apple’s display lineup. C’mon Mac Studio with TB5…
Have you ever seen Apple reduce the price of a premium device by half just because a successor has been released? I think a maximum of 20% is possible, but it is more likely that the predecessor will be taken off the market so that only the successor will be available.
Really hope the Studio Display gets a refresh in 2025. I'd buy one today if it didn't have such outdated specs. Main things I want to see:
On a sidenote: it's surprising to me how few companies are trying to compete with Apple in the 5K resolution monitors. There's LG 5K UltraFine and Samsung ViewFinity S9, but that's it... all three of them are around the same price point. So for Apple users, there's no realistic alternative to the Apple Studio Display, which is probably why Apple doesn't feel the need to compete.
- Better camera. Apple makes some of the best cameras in the industry on their phones. I understand more on a MacBook that it's tough to fit the better cameras inside the notch, but there's plenty of space inside the Studio Display (and iMac for that matter) for a larger camera module. It's time they just stuck the iPhone Pro main camera module in the Studio Display.
- Streamlined VESA mounting points. It should be pretty easy to figure out how to put some screw holes directly in the monitor body instead of needing the adapter.
- Detachable power cable. This one is obvious. Just use the same cable that's on the iMac!
- Upgraded ports. Keep 3 USB-C ports and add at least 1 more Thunderbolt port (of course Thunderbolt 5, the current version has Thunderbolt 3) for daisy-chaining monitors and/or external storage. Add aux in/out, and Ethernet ports. I don't need an SD card slot, but surely the camera folks would appreciate it.
Bonus
- Airplay. The display would need its own graphics card for this, so it probably wouldn't be worth the extra cost unless they already planned to have an onboard graphics card for improved performance. This could be essentially double as an Apple TV/HomePod as well.
On a sidenote: it's surprising to me how few companies are trying to compete with Apple in the 5K resolution monitors. There's LG 5K UltraFine and Samsung ViewFinity S9, but that's it... all three of them are around the same price point. So for Apple users, there's no realistic alternative to the Apple Studio Display, which is probably why Apple doesn't feel the need to compete.
You just have to keep your eyes & ears open with the usual suspects of the panel manufacturers to see if there will be new panels with 32"+ & 220PPI & 90 or 120Hz. If nothing comes along, then Apple can't build anything either.
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