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The more I read about it, the more I see a baseline iPad with built-in keyboard running iPadOS and not a Macbook subset - and for only distinguishing marker to have the name MacBook slapped on it for sales/positioning reasons.
Me too. I'd at least consider it a possibility.
That said, I'm very sure it will be only called a MacBook, if it runs macOS.
It’s such a silly idea, not sure why they insist it’ll run iPadOS.
👉 Service revenue.

If it's not iPadOS, it'll be macOS "lite". Without sideloading. App installation only from the App Store.

That's how they might spin this: "By reducing the OS to its essentials, we could use an A-series SoC - enabling unprecedented levels of affordability in notebooks. And it supports all the carefully curated secure apps from the Apple App Store. And Apple Intelligence (on 8GB of RAM). We believe it's an awesome notebook for education."
 
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Should be less than $600 since you could get M1 MBA Education version around $700 before.
 
We know Apple: 8gb RAM because it is aimed at… you having to buy another 2 years later double the price.
 
I see a 8-10" display, 1-1.5lbs, 1 USB C (doubles as charging port), 1 USB A, 1 HDMI port. It will appeal to people who need something small to hook up to a projector for presentations. They'll bring back the Newton name.
Whilst I’d love a new form factor, if the focus is providing a low cost machine, then they’ll just use the existing 13” MBA body as it is I think. Zero R&D cost. Zero retooling. Just cheaper internals.
 
Upon Steve Jobs return to Apple, his first order of business was to scrap the massive product lineup with confusing points of differentiation and created a simple product matrix.

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This quite literally saved the company. Tim Cook is heading in the direction of Gil Amelio. I'm an Apple enthusiast and I have trouble explaining to friends what the point of difference is between the Air, Pro, Max, Plus, suffixes across product lines.

This is portraying history inaccurately. Jobs did simplify the lineup and it was indeed helpful. However the Mac lineup previously had dozens of models and even third party models, with 3 or 4 models all taking up the same price and performance brackets each. Jobs hit the reset button, but he didn't stick to anything like the table you shared for very long. The last few years under jobs had the Mac lineup similar to what it is today. What saved Apple was the iPod and Microsoft. Microsoft not only helped bail Apple out, but they also kept tripping over their own feet during this time period. But even with all that, Mac sales of the era you are showing and even during the end of the Job's era were no where near what they are today. With Ive and Jobs out Apple has increased its sales 3x what they were. Jobs was needed for the relaunch but he was too strict and would have held the company back in the long run. Ive's form over function was eating the company alive with lawsuit after lawsuit from failed hardware designs that couldn't be properly engineered due to absurd requests from the design team, and fading consumer confidence as their devices bent, overheated, got keys stuck, couldn't get a signal, had no ports, were too slow,... the list of hardware fumbles is endless.

Cook came in with banger after banger and sales soared under his leadership. The M series Macs knocked it out of the park with their performance. Then when the case redesigns came in, they knocked it out of the park again with useable ports and keyboards. He launched the most successful best selling audio devices the AirPods and the best selling watch, the Apple Watch, all while increasing iPhone, iPad, and Mac sales.

There is nothing confusing about the Mac lineup now or with the addition of a new base MacBook. Heck we already had a base MacBook in the past.

MacBook = Budget entry level device for students and lower income.

MacBook Air = Mid range thin and light coffee house work horse for those on the go with non software intensive workflows.

MacBook Pro = The high end machine for heavy tasks and professional workloads.

I don't mean to disrespect the graph, but lumping all consumers into one bracket isn't realistic. There are consumers who want to be in the Apple ecosystem that don't have thousands of dollars to throw around. There are consumers that need something more performant than an entry level machine, but are just looking to get the job done, they don't need a hotrod. And there are consumers that are tech enthusiasts who want power or others who just want to experience a premium luxury device. If Apple isn't selling a device in each of these segments, they are leaving money on the table.

On the other hand they could waste money by over crowding the market with devices that are too similar, but so far that hasn't been the case. Apple has been missing the budget segment from their mac lineup. They have the iPhone SE/e, the Apple Watch SE, the base iPad, the base AirPods, etc. Now it is time to complete the Mac lineup with the base MacBook's return. Selling the aged M1 MacBook Air at Walmart was the successful trial run.

MacBook is really the lineup that you can complain the least about when it comes to this topic:

MacBook $649
MacBook Air $900
MacBook Air 15 $1100
MacBook Pro 14 $1500
MacBook Pro 16 $2300

There are hundreds of dollars clearly delineating the price brackets and markets for these devices. If you are going to bark up this tree, at least direct your energy at the iPhone lineup first (though even that is a fine lineup serving its purpose and should make complete sense with the iPhone Air).

You will never see these issues and complaints being raised by general consumers and the sales numbers back it up. These things come from the hardcore Apple enthusiasts. They don't like change. They want their 3.5 inch phones (even though small phones don't sell) and they want their 3 device line up (even though a broader lineup helps sell more devices). If Apple listened to the vocal minority of their fans, they would be bankrupt by now.
 
Perhaps I should've blamed Sculley. I was mixing up my post-Jobs-firing CEOs. I remember wanting to buy a Mac in the 90s but going through the catalogue (yes, it took an entire catalogue!) I couldn't figure out what to buy. The salesperson in the store pointed at three Windows PCs on a table and said: "good, better, best". I looked at my Dad and we went for "good". It took almost an entire decade after that for me to buy my first Mac, now in the Jobs era: I got a PowerBook 17".
Good for you? My first Mac was a PowerMac Performa 6400/180. It included the monitor and it was over $2000 in 1996. And my dad bought it at Sears, so the Apple warranty was a joke back then too. Yes, then it was confusing since Apple didn’t offer anyone education on their product lines. Spindler just kept pumping out different models to see what sold.

I studied what was inside that Performa: 603e PPC CPU with 64MB of RAM. At 11 years old, I was pretty informed since I read about the Mac line up then. Later I tried to upgrade it to a Sonnet G3 L2 cache card with a 3Dfx video card; it didn’t work.

Also, many of my friends knew the difference between a Pentium and a Pentium II; even an AMD Athlon later on. A lot of these guys were hardcore tech people either.

The first Mac I bought with my cash was the early 2005 15” PowerBook G4. I bought it angry that Apple switched from PPC to Intel, but I realized I should’ve waited very quickly. Especially when my 1999 iMac SE with 1GB of RAM was still performing VERY well for the time.

I can imagine a kid of the same age trying to figure out what to buy in a Tim Cook era Apple Store today.
I think a kid today would have WAY more knowledge about an iPhone and iPad than a Mac. Not sure what age you were in your post, but I don’t think it’s a problem. In fact, most kids I’ve met understand those devices better than me. Don’t think the line up is hard for them: iPhone, iPhone Plus, iPhone Pro and iPhone Pro Max. The iPad might trip up certain people, especially with the mini, but I think most people know they don’t need an iPad Pro.

Both Jobs and Cook seem to still be following what Amelio set up for product line cohesion; plus money hoarding.

Also, there was some overlap in Jobs era: G4 Cube, eMac, MacBook/MacBook Pro Intel Core Duo confusion in 2008 and original Apple TV (strip down Mac mini G4 running Front Row). Jobs made some fumbles and created small confusion. It happens, nothing is perfect.

Mac shipments grew this year after the M4 came out. Clearly consumers, professionals and business types are understanding the line up. The mini, iMac, Studio, Pro, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro are pretty well defined. Even my non-tech friends understand a Mac mini, iMac or MacBook Air would be products they’d consider if they ever needed a PC. Clearly your perspective isn’t resounding with the audience at large as they seem to understand what they’re buying.

I get you think there’s similarities, but we’re not anywhere close to a Quadra, Performa, Centris, LC, Classic, Quagmire or 5## all-in-one situation. Most of the time they were renamed older machines.

You mentioned Jobs about cohesion in your other posts, except Apple is still following the naming scheme Jobs used before he departed. They briefly added an iMac Pro and they made the Mac Studio.
 
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Upon Steve Jobs return to Apple, his first order of business was to scrap the massive product lineup with confusing points of differentiation and created a simple product matrix.

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This quite literally saved the company. Tim Cook is heading in the direction of Gil Amelio. I'm an Apple enthusiast and I have trouble explaining to friends what the point of difference is between the Air, Pro, Max, Plus, suffixes across product lines.
People seem to have forgotten the big fat eMac and the cracking MacBook during the Steve Jobs era.
 
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Far superior single core performance, lower power consumption at idle, continued use of toolings after iPhone pro refresh... There are a lot of reasons.
How significant are those benefits with half the RAM and no thunderbolt, plus whatever else...
 
If it’s not the MacBook 26 with an A26 chip, I’m not gonna buy it.

Line drawn in sand Tim!
 
If it is just for a "cheap" MacBook I don't really get it - just keep selling older MBAs. Now if they are trying something different like even more of an ultra portable I could see that as appealing. Something the size of the 12" MacBook (maybe even sub 2lbs) but with an updated screen closer to actual 13" (with the smaller bezels) at a price right around or under the current MBA you might have something.
TSMC will probably be retiring the production lines that make the M1/2/3. Apple can produce the A18 on a current process node and save production costs that way.
 
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this would be really fun and interesting if this ran a variant of iPadOS and not macOS. macOS requires a larger footprint than iPadOS in terms of disk space and memory usage. I acknowledge taking a concrete step forward to deprecate macOS is a very big deal and can lead to customer confusion and I still think it would be really fun and interesting. “…and we call it iBook.”
Important to remember iPadOS is still a touch-first operating system.

Odds of it being the OS on this device have got to be close to 0%.
 
Would absolutely love this in the Macbook 12" format. Traveling with anything bigger than the 13" (MBA or MBP) is just impossibly heavy and difficult when you have other stuff in your pack, and it changes the size of the pack. Also know seniors who find any current offering too heavy and want something way lighter.

I always had a crush on the 12" but the performance and the finicky keyboard was a huge turn off. The fact that they were able to stick that entire computer on 1 board with a smaller surface area than a Raspberry Pi was just mind blowing. It's been even more possible with the new chips, and I'm sure Apple has been testing a version that is far more powerful in a similar chassis to make sure people's sourness from the first release aren't lingering.
 
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The old 12-inch MacBook is set to be revitalized.
If the price is reasonable, it could attract a certain group of users
 
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I disagree here. If this is $649 MSRP, perhaps available on special for $599 or even $549, it should sell well. Clearly someone's buying the old M1s at Walmart even though they are no longer officially supported. This would have full support, be available at Apple Stores and authorized resellers, and be actively marketed.
I think it may appeal more to Apple fans, those who may want an Apple laptop but don't want to pay the prices for what is available at the moment. A lot of window users don't have any intention of changing.
If a laptop is only going to be used for basic stuff, like browsing and a bit of office work then one with a N100 CPU will do fine. In one of our stores in the UK, a Asus laptop with a Celeron N4500 processor., 4GB of ram and 128GB storage running Windows 11s, is around £179. Which for a bit of office work is fine.

I suppose we will have to wait and see.
 
I see a lot of clickbaity YouTubers who know nothing more than anyone else claiming a $699 price point.

I just don’t see Apple “going cheap” myself. This is Apple.

I see it more like this coming in at $999 where the Air currently sits. This will allow the Air to take the position of the non-Pro MacBook Pro at $1499. Then the MacBook Pro will only be offered with the Pro chip starting at $1999.

Some have previously questioned the non-Pro MBP, with many recommending it if you feel the need to upgrade the Air due to price similarity. So it would make sense for Apple to drop the non-Pro MBP and replace it with the Air. Maybe the Air will even get the ProMotion display, which many ask for, if it goes in at $1499, in order to justify the price jump.

If it comes in at $699 it’ll just cannibalise MBA sales, and I don’t see Apple doing that.
 
Since Apple is the world's 4th largest computer seller and uses its own OS, IMO some portion of any new A18 Macbook sales will by definition "take sales away from the windows based laptop market." Or at least will take some market share away from the Windows-based laptop market.
Depends on how many people get fed up with Windows, I changed to Mac because of where MS was going with Windows 11 and looking at how things have gone, I was not wrong. I also wanted a machine that was powerful, but quiet and used less energy.

Compatibility is the thing, while a lot of software have version for macOS, some don't
 
The M1 will be closed out, it's an obsolete process now. This will replace it. The question is will Apple drop the price to go after the people who want more than a Chromebook.

I should wander off and see what Dell has for an ultralight.

Edit, I did. For $500 you get:

  • AMD Ryzen™ 5 7530U 6-core with Radeon™ Graphics
  • Windows 11 Home
  • AMD Radeon™ Graphics
  • 16GB: 1x16GB, DDR4, 3200 MT/s
  • 512 GB SSD
  • And a crappy screen. 15" granted, but terrible specs.
The Passmark site says A18 Pro is 12,900, The 7530U is 15,500. M1 base is 14,100.

The smaller option (12", same price) has 8 GB RAM, 128 GB UFS (?) storage, and Intel's usual gutless graphics. Passmark has the N200 at a whopping 4800.
But people who go for a lower end machine, normally only use it for office stuff or browsing, maybe watch the odd video, so as long as it can play video and do the things I mentioned, they are not bothered, even a sub £200 machine will do that, just about.
 
Shouldn’t this iPhone-chip based Mac be called a MacBook Air and the non-Pro M-chip based Macs called MacBook? It would make a lot more sense.

Or maybe Apple should call this iPhone-chip based Mac something like MacBook Lite, since it will be the lightest in weight and the lightest in performance among all other MacBooks.
 
USB4 supports a minimum of 20 Gbps ports. It can’t be 10 GBPs and qualify for being USB4. I doubt Apple would ship a Mac with outdated USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports, which ARE 10 GBPs.

Also, with USB4/TB4, the two standards pretty much converged. At this point, Thunderbolt is an Intel certification for USB4 and newer standards, so TB4 is USB4 with additional features that are part of the USB4 standard as well, but they are optional features in USB4, whereas they are mandatory in TB4.

Both USB4 and TB4 support PCIe pass through, Display Port Alternate mode, and USB3 packets. TB4 is required to support 40 Gbps speeds while USB4 is allowed to support 20 Gbps but can also support 40 GBPs as an optional feature. Both USB4 and TB4 are required to maintain USB3 (all flavors - 3.2 Gen 1 and 3.2 Gen 2) compatibility. TB4 is required to be backward compatible with TB3, while USB4 can be compatible with TB3 but it’s not a requirement. USB4 can support one or more external displays while TB4 is required to support at least two external displays.

So, to sum this up, the A18 chip in the MacBook will be capable of at least 20 Gbps speed and at least one external display, but it may support 40 Gbps speeds and two external displays. It depends on how striped down Apple want to make the compliance with the USB4 standard. The A18 chip (if USB4 compliant) must also be able to support PCIe pass through. I think that PCIe based external devices should be able to connect to USB4 ports, but I haven’t tried it. Perhaps these external USB4 devices with PCIe based chips in them must also be USB4 compliant and not rely on TB3 only to be able to connect to USB4 ports, as USB4 computers are not required to maintain compatibility with TB3.
 
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Same reason why iPhone 16e exists. You can't just keep selling older iPhones if you want to make deep cost cuts.

Everything from the notch cut LCD, big battery, to the large trackpad costs money. All of that can be cheaper.

Honestly, nobody wants a 12-inch display these days because productivity is so much reduced. The idea of the Sony Vaio and netbooks passed a long time ago.
Also, presumably they will design the interior so that it can keep on taking newer Ax class chips, as the years go by.
 
Honestly, I applaud Cook for being a supply chain genius. But the problem with maximising profits alongside a scale of infinite growth is that there is a moment where cutting corners will start to affect the products because you simply cannot squeeze any more out of making the logistics more efficient.
I think we are now at this stage in the Apple Inc. lifecycle. There’s leaving things out of the box (my Powerbook 12 came with a full set of dongles for different video connections, my original iPhone came with a dock), doubling down on reducing component cost, designing everything with lowest possible cost in mind (from ‘form follows function’ to ‘form follows supply chain’), making products unservicable and overcharging on repair and component prices, to constantly re-tiering the product lineup to create spaces for ‘intermediary products’ that allow for above base level prices, and more important, make higher higher end prices seem more legit.

I expect this Macbook to start slightly below or at current Air prices. Air and Pro prices will increase by at least 10%.
 
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