I am looking forward to this Apple device. I am just hoping that it is portable and affordable at the same time, and we don't have to compromise on the features.
Pretty strange move, IMO. I'd love for Apple to refocus on a simple product matrix and make each product the best it can be at that price/performance level. Instead, they seem to have moved from an attitude of not worrying about self-cannibalization to actively encouraging it, as long as it involves pushing customers further up the price ladder. Long-term, this is a worse strategy, as it will reduce customer satisfaction when more people realize they overpaid for a machine that is beyond their needs.
I may be surprised when this comes out if it's actually reasonably priced and isn't a straight up rip off compared to the base M4 MBA, but I really don't expect that to be the case.
I would argue that if Jobs were to do that product matrix now, there would be another column:Upon Steve Jobs return to Apple, his first order of business was to scrap the massive product lineup with confusing points of differentiation and created a simple product matrix.
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This quite literally saved the company. Tim Cook is heading in the direction of Gil Amelio. I'm an Apple enthusiast and I have trouble explaining to friends what the point of difference is between the Air, Pro, Max, Plus, suffixes across product lines.
I like your idea and I have very fond memories of the iBooks.This would be the perfect time to revive the iBook — I can’t believe it hasn’t been mentioned by name yet in the comments. The old iBook actually made almost the same compromises as what’s being discussed here — it lacked FireWire and had a slower CPU compared to the PowerBooks of the time.
A $599 iBook that prioritized durability and fun colors/style would absolutely slay in the current market. Only a very small portion of Mac users utilize Thunderbolt or Multiple displays, and M1-level computing power is clearly enough for Consumer computing.
Once a new ultraportable is ready, you call that the new MacBook Air, and the naming conventions would actually make sense again. Air/Max and i/Pro are both pretty easy to understand, if Apple would just stick to using them as they were intended.
I agree with you, but surely also the target is a little bit more than that?The target? It's pretty obviously kids - this has "educational" written all over it. As such, it's probably a good idea, and I'm sure it'll be available as a retail item, but it makes sense for Apple to focus on the educational / intuitional sector again - it used to be a big thing for them but they drifted away from it in favour of prestige retail consumer products - I can fully understand why an education institution would prefer to provide students with a cheap MacBook, with keyboard and touchpad, rather than an iPad + pencil + Magic Keyboard. I also don't think it'll cannibalise the MAcBookAir market too much - people will still want "prestige" toys.
maybe to compete with the education chrome books?I guess just don't see that that particular market is large enough, for Apple to enter.
But we shall see...
And the G4 Cube, the 2008 MacBook/MacBook Pro unified body design, the original Apple TV. Jobs had some missteps, but those didn’t hurt Apple. If anything 2008 MacBook redesign killed the original MacBook as we knew it and the Air took its place after that entry line started to fizzle. Hence why the 12 inch MacBook became what the Air could have been.People seem to have forgotten the big fat eMac and the cracking MacBook during the Steve Jobs era.
This is really getting old. Apple back then was cash strapped, Microsoft saved it from bankruptcy. It's not some Steve Jobs magic that will make products better, but a standard practice with troubled companies. Apple today is not a troubled company. Market leaders need to expand product variety, not cut it back.Upon Steve Jobs return to Apple, his first order of business was to scrap the massive product lineup with confusing points of differentiation and created a simple product matrix.
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This quite literally saved the company. Tim Cook is heading in the direction of Gil Amelio. I'm an Apple enthusiast and I have trouble explaining to friends what the point of difference is between the Air, Pro, Max, Plus, suffixes across product lines.
So no possibility of Apple Intelligence. I'm sold.😁We know Apple: 8gb RAM because it is aimed at… you having to buy another 2 years later double the price.
Why would they do that?Me too. I'd at least consider it a possibility.
That said, I'm very sure it will be only called a MacBook, if it runs macOS.
👉 Service revenue.
If it's not iPadOS, it'll be macOS "lite". Without sideloading. App installation only from the App Store.
That's how they might spin this: "By reducing the OS to its essentials, we could use an A-series SoC - enabling unprecedented levels of affordability in notebooks. And it supports all the carefully curated secure apps from the Apple App Store. And Apple Intelligence (on 8GB of RAM). We believe it's an awesome notebook for education."
Thanks. I had some suspicions on that. The Walmart Air appears to be an extreme outlier in the product stack that would eventually be retired, and this makes the most sense.The M1 is 5 nm process, it uses more power for the same performance as the A18 Pro which is 3 nm. I suggested a die-shrunk M1 some time ago, and it looks like this is the same idea.
Drop the A18 Pro in the M1 MacBook Air chassis and screen, add one more USB C port so you can run power, external display, and still plug something in without needing a dock, keep the headphone port so a schoolroom full of people don't have to fight over bluetooth frequencies, don't scrimp on the battery and I think you have a winner. And reusing the original M1 MacBook Air parts as much as possible keeps the development cost down.
The Chromebooks are only $200 but only have that odd and very slow storage. Those manufacturers are even bigger cheap-skates than Apple.
The M4 is great for video editing, but it's overkill for regular office work. That is a lot of transitors doing nothing while you answer an email. This rumored MacBook is not for the power-users that make up most of this forum.
I wonder if this is prompted by user telemetry that the CPU is normally less than 20% utilization.
Walmart only started selling them in March 2024 when Apple released the M3 MacBook Air and stopped selling the M1 in its own stores. I'm guessing Apple wanted to test the market on a $700 (now $650) Mac to see if a) there was a market for it, and b) that these were added sales and not cannibalizing sales of the higher end MacBook Air models. IThanks. I had some suspicions on that. The Walmart Air appears to be an extreme outlier in the product stack that would eventually be retired, and this makes the most sense.
Generally not true about Apple. Apple [generally] does not raise prices despite providing more competence with each new generation. E.g. my loaded 2011 (4 GB RAM), 2016 (16 GB RAM) and 2023 (96 GB RAM) MBPs each cost me ~$4k, but the increase in competence of each box was orders of magnitude of improvement. Value-wise a huge price decrease over the years.Of course they will raise the prices on the MBA if a cheaper MacBook comes out.
It's Apple we are talking about 💰😂
There are a few factors at work. A) Apple likely committed a minimum volume of A18 purchases from TSMC. If the iPhone 16 series isn't selling as well, this is a way to get value from money they were going to spend anyway. B) If Apple reuses the existing M1 chassis and display, this reduces development and production costs. C) Apple is shipping no other products that still use the aging 5nm process. D) 2027 may be the last year the M1 is fully supported by a new version of macOS.Best I can tell, the cost for the A18 and the M4 base models are about the same price.
Generally not true about Apple. Apple [generally] does not raise prices despite providing more competence with each new generation. E.g. my loaded 2011 (4 GB RAM), 2016 (16 GB RAM) and 2023 (96 GB RAM) MBPs each cost me ~$4k, but the increase in competence of each box was orders of magnitude of improvement. Value-wise a huge price decrease over the years.
That said, logically Apple would move MBA up in price a bit to make pricing room for some even lower-end laptop. But any new MBAs with higher pricing will also have higher competence - - because every new device has higher competence.
I actually agree with you, I think it would’ve been easier to keep the A name for the entire family of chips and felt that way when they introduced the M1. And it’s even more annoying nowadays because everyone acts like the iPad getting the M chips is some huge big deal, as if the iPads “went all out” with power. Even though iPads have always used “M chips” for years and years and years prior to the M1. They just had a different name, and it was A#X. People act like the M chips are some new huge thing just because the name change, it’s ridiculous.There is a difference: It creates even more confusion for the consumers, especially not tech savvy, who would want to compare A chips and M chips when trying to buy specs that they need. Just a reminder: it is already complicated when comparing older and newer M/M Pro/M Max/M Ultra chips. Not A is added to the mix.
It would make more sense to because then they will be on the same scale at least
Best I can tell, the cost for the A18 and the M4 base models are about the same price.
I actually agree with you, I think it would’ve been easier to keep the A name for the entire family of chips and felt that way when they introduced the M1. And it’s even more annoying nowadays because everyone acts like the iPad getting the M chips is some huge big deal, as if the iPads “went all out” with power. Even though iPads have always used “M chips” for years and years and years prior to the M1. They just had a different name, and it was A#X. People act like the M chips are some new huge thing just because the name change, it’s ridiculous.