Zenman12
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No it’s not going to android. But a smaller island. Like what they do with the notch.
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What to Expect From the iPhone 18 Pro After the Latest Rumor Reversal
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vr38dett
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Hoping that "burgundy, brown or purple" is one new color option they're considering adding. I have an iPhone 15 PM in blue, and if I can't get black or blue, the iPhone 18 PM would be a non-starter for me, which leaves me debating the iPhone 17 PM as the battery needs replacement on my current phone. As a criticism of the current model, I think they need to do a chamfer on the camera plateau. I keep mine in a case so it's not a huge issue for me, however, that slight change would be nice on the chassis.
Spinarelo
macrumors 6502
Going to guess no, based on number 12
12. iPhone 18 Pro Max may be slightly thicker than the iPhone 17 Pro Max, perhaps to accommodate a larger battery
*Edit* never mind you asked about the regular pro not the max
So you would skip a phone and it'd be a non starter based on color? Man, just throw a case on it. It's not like Desert Titanium was that nice...
vr38dett
macrumors newbie
Yeah man, I would. Guess that makes me the dude version of a basic b...haha. It's petty, I know. Every car I've bought in the last 20 years has been
I'm a black, space gray, silver, blue, or green fan. Interestingly, my iPhone 11 PM was the first time I'd ever deviated from black. I bought an M4 MBAir back in September and went with the midnight color and really like it.
Once the new MBPro's come out, I'll go for a loaded spec on chip and memory but that will be in space black. The pro hues are important to me. Stupid first world problems I know.
The looks and build of my iPhone 16 Pro Max in natural titanium is beautiful without a case, and the durability has been quite good.
Purchased an iPhone 17 Pro Max for a family member and found the aluminum is ok, but certainly softer, less scratch resistant and rather dull looking in silver.
Regarding iPhone 18 Pro / Pro Max it seems that once again Apple will only make the minimal changes in an effort to protect their massive profit margins. Witnessing their true expertise in convincing people to buy is what the company does best, above and beyond actual improvements.
johnsawyercjs
macrumors 68000
While the flood illuminator seems to be the most likely part to go under the display, it's pretty small and so this wouldn't allow the size of the Dynamic Island cutout to be reduced as much as the rumors have claimed it will be. The larger Face ID component that might also go under the display, allowing this reduction in DI size, is the IR camera. The rumor site "Instant Digital" released a photo of what they claimed is the upcoming Face ID and front-facing camera module, and it showed the IR camera moved to the upper left corner of the display. With current display technology, it's more difficult to get good results from moving the IR dot projector under the display, since the display layer will mess with the dot projector's beams more than with the IR camera's reception of those beams.
The front-facing selfie camera will go under the display at some point, but not likely with the iPhone 18 Pros. All the rumors have the Dynamic Island cutout sized to accomodate both the selfie camera and a similarly-sized component, which will most likely be the IR dot projector.
Zenman12
macrumors 6502
Is it the module we saw? I thought it was just the flood? I thought the dot projector was easier and the IR was the most difficult?
We agree about the selfie camera. It can be done. But it sucks. And Apple wants to at least meet current quality.
Agreed. It will be like the smaller notch. Several iPhones with this new DI until they can hack away at the tech to get it under the screen. I do think the DI will become a permanent software feature that appears and disappears in the distant future.
johnsawyercjs
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Oddly, Instant Digital for some reason replied to discussion about the photo they posted by saying it depicted only the flood illuminator on the left, connected to the other components via a ribbon cable, and the MacRumors article took their word for it. But clearly the large part on the left side of that ribbon cable was the IR camera, with the flood illuminator as part of that component, visible as two small pins. The IR camera's lens looks a little cloudy because of the coatings on its surface, to allow only IR light to pass through, and that's what was shown on the component on the left in that photo. The selfie camera lens was shown at the right end of that ribbon cable, and to the immediate left of that lens was the dot projector, identifiable by its slightly fuzzy, flat appearance, rather than a lens.
That said, it's still possible that the photo posted by Instant Digital might have been an early Apple prototype, and that the final configuration might be the other way around, depending on whether the advances in display technology they've been working on favor putting one or the other of these two components under the display.
The IR camera seems to be easier to move under the display since it doesn't need to see the dots with quite the exact precision as the dot projector needs to emit them. The dot projector seems to be the tougher part to place under the display, since with current display technology, the display pixels get in the way of the 30,000 dots emitted by the projector, and this messes with the precise angles that each beam needs to be emitted at. The Face ID hardware/software expects all of those dots to be emitted at a certain angle, and if those beams get diffused by the display layer, they no longer work accurately. There's only one infrared LED in the dot projector, and it gets split into 30,000 beams by a very precise diffraction optical element on the projector's surface, and if there was a display layer above it, that would act as another, undesired diffraction layer. So display technology and the IR dot projector will both probably need to be redesigned to move the dot projector under the display, so they can work together to get the beams to reach the user's face with the same precision as with the current system.
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Zenman12
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Well it’s not clear to me. I take their word too. How would you know?
The flood illuminator would be easiest since it’s just lighting up the face, no?
johnsawyercjs
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These aren't things I know for sure, but they're likely extrapolations based on how these components work, and what they actually look like and where they're currently located in the body of the iPhone (neither of which are secret), and where current smartphone display technology is at today, and where it's headed. Based on all of that, I wouldn't take Instant Digital's word for their interpretation of what their photo shows. The wording of their later clarification seems odd since it doesn't match what their photo shows.
The flood illuminator is indeed the easiest part to move under the display, but as I said, the component at the left end of the ribbon cable in the Instant Digital photo (which would place it under the display's upper left corner) isn't just the flood illuminator, it's the IR camera as well. The flood illuminator is shown below the lens, taking the form of two small pin-like things.
As I say, it's possible the photo leaked by Instant Digital could be a prototype that doesn't represent how Apple will actually arrange the front-facing parts in the iPhone 18 Pro models, and in fact it doesn't seem necessary to move the IR camera under the display's upper left corner, since if Apple figures out how to move the IR camera under the display, it could just as well remain where it currently is, to the left of the dot projector, and only the display area immediately above the IR camera would be where the display pixel hardware would be redesigned to allow the IR dots to get through, after bouncing off of the user's face, and to the IR camera. This would allow Apple to retain the same geometry between the dot projector and its receiver, the IR camera, without having to re-train/redesign the system to work with an IR camera further away.
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Zenman12
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So to be clear, you think BOTH the flood and IR camera will be underneath for the iPhone 18 pro line? That would be good if true. Not like would complain. 2/3 Face ID components under the display is better than 1/3.
macos9rules
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I more and more dream of Apple releasing a small phone again. Ideally, the same footprint as the 3G and 3GS. Early on I had small phones (Siemens SL45, Motorola StarTAC, Nokia 8210 and 8310) and they were wonderful. Small was what everyone wanted. I never got used to the iPhone 6 size and even less to the larger ones (currently have a 15 Pro). I wish they gave people options, like they do with the iPad. I would pay good money for an ultra small footprint phone. The Air is enormous and doesn't solve any issues for me.
johnsawyercjs
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So far that's one reasonable interpretation (I won't go so far as to call it a conclusion). I wouldn't be totally surprised, though, if somehow Apple manages to put the dot illuminator under the display first, or even both at the same time, if they've made some significant display technology breakthrough, which they'd have already had to make to get it into production for the 18 series. Tim Cook did say something about Apple releasing some things this year that "nobody's seen before", or words to that effect. But whichever of these parts might go under the display in the 18 Pro models, it seems likely that one of them will remain in the Dynamic Island cutout for the time being, resulting in the reduced-size but still existing cutout that the rumor renderings have been depicting. Between now and the release of the 18 series this fall, it's likely that someone in the supply chain will leak a photo of the display that will be used in the 18 Pros, and then we'll see the size of the Dynamic Island.
The part shown in the Instant Digital leaked photo might either be one of Apple's what-if experiments to see whether Face ID would still work to their specs if the IR camera is moved, or it might even be for the iPhone Air, showing the IR camera moved to the upper left corner to make room for a second rear camera.
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
It’s obviously going to be a great device but very minor from 17 pro which let’s face it is very minor from 16 pro
Camera wise VA is cool but camera sensors seem to be same again. Unless they are increasing the aperture not sure it will be much difference
Camera wise VA is cool but camera sensors seem to be same again. Unless they are increasing the aperture not sure it will be much difference
8K as a recording format is absolutely not dead. 8K as a display format probably never should have been a thing to begin with- people have a hard enough time telling the difference between HD 720/1080 and UHD at any normal panel/projection size and viewing distance, as such 8K TVs are totally silly. But in pro cameras we regularly record higher resolutions than the finishing resolution- it's useful in many, many ways- and depending on sensor characteristics it's totally necessary in some cases. That said, last thing I want is 8K recordings from my s#!tty phone sensor.
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