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What to Expect in the Third Generation MacBook

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fokmik said:
yes touchbar on a laptop is a better feature than a fixed keyboards that,almost half we dont use them since they are on auto (brightness display,keys)
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TB is better? How is it better? Give me at least one use case scenario where TB is better? I'm not being sarcastic, nor trying to 'pick up a fight'. I'm serious.

I will give you my use case scenario, but also from a lot of people I know that use macs:
* I use keyboard shortcuts for EVERYTHING. And I do mean everything. For all apps that I use + custom keyboard shortcuts using keyboard maestro. No touchbar can compete with this, since I use them without looking at the keyboard, and I have feedback.
* I am a developer, so any looking off screen is a no go for me. And the ESC key is pretty important, I hate pushing on glass surface to get the ESC key.

And all designers that I know of personally use keyboard shortcuts of course. Only use case scenario where TB is useful is for newbies to the platform. Great for them. At least on start, but what about later on? Those users won't learn keyboard shortcuts like they are supposed to. And that's a big minus in my book.

I owned rmb15 2016, and returned it after a week of usage. Besides lousy battery life, TB is my biggest complaint with the machine. Pretty useless (imho of course), and glitchy as hell.

But of course, I could be wrong. I will gladly listen to any pro TB argument.
 
you still have your shortcuts...but having something we dont use instead of having something what we want is a step further. I already know where ESC is and others tabs, i dont have anymore, keys like brightness up/down for display or keyboard and i can fill those with something i need
 
We don't use? But I do use it. I use esc key about 100 times a day. At least. I use brightness and volume keys also. And still, all I have asked is that you provide me with examples of why you find TB so useful. Is that so hard to do? :)
 
Seems to be hard because i use the esc key also..and i dont need a physical key anymore and i dont look down because i know the behavior of my apps and what the tb shows
Volume is just s press and slide for me
I bet you are not used not to look down on tb so thats why its hard for me to explain why tb is better or for you to tell me vice versa
For me customizing is far better than something fixed
 
So - we're looking at a Kaby lake CPU that will have a slightly faster turbo boost and slightly better graphics, probably faster SSD, faster RAM and the new 2nd gen keyboard (but probably still no TB3 or extra USB-C port and the jury's out on the improved colour gamut screen)... Does this list of paltry upgrades imply Apple will cut the price I wonder?
 
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So - we're looking at a Kaby lake CPU that will have a slightly faster turbo boost and slightly better graphics, probably faster SSD, faster RAM and the new 2nd gen keyboard (but probably still no TB3 or extra USB-C port and the jury's out on the improved colour gamut screen)... Does this list of paltry upgrades imply Apple will cut the price I wonder?
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I still think there's a chance they will drop the headphone jack and add a Lightning port. But otherwise, yes, I think it's due for a price drop if it's really going to take the place of the MBA, especially now that the new MBP's are out.
 
If by some miracle a second port was added (although I'm not expecting this until the redesign), I just hope Apple puts it on the other side. Don't know what they were thinking on the MBP nonTB with both ports on the same side!
 
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we will be getting new codec support and tb3 since is native...so i guess for most will be fine..
 
fokmik said:
we will be getting new codec support and tb3 since is native...so i guess for most will be fine..
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Why will the Kaby Lake rMB get TB3? The current model has no Thunderbolt support at all and the first post in this thread shows that Kaby Lake Y chips (those used in the rMB) will still not get native Thunderbolt Support - so unless Apple adds the Alpine Ridge controller (and there's been no room for this chip on the first two models), it will be USB-C only (and probably only gen 1 USB 3.1 at that).
 
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Why will the Kaby Lake rMB get TB3? The current model has no Thunderbolt support at all and the first post in this thread shows that Kaby Lake Y chips (those used in the rMB) will still not get native Thunderbolt Support - so unless Apple adds the Alpine Ridge controller (and there's been no room for this chip on the first two models), it will be USB-C only (and probably only gen 1 USB 3.1 at that).
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Yep. Actually if you compare them there's not much of a difference between them: https://ark.intel.com/compare/88199,95441
So, should we wait for Coffee Lake or Cannonlake?
 
kiranmk2 said:
Why will the Kaby Lake rMB get TB3? The current model has no Thunderbolt support at all and the first post in this thread shows that Kaby Lake Y chips (those used in the rMB) will still not get native Thunderbolt Support - so unless Apple adds the Alpine Ridge controller (and there's been no room for this chip on the first two models), it will be USB-C only (and probably only gen 1 USB 3.1 at that).
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current model is skylake core m....the kaby lake core m/i5 will come native with tb3 and no longer require alpine ridge
"Kaby Lake is to be based on Intel's current 14nm process node, rather than its delayed 10nm node, and feature relatively minor tweaks to the Skylake architecture including native support for USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt 3 peripherals."
 
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fokmik said:
current model is skylake core m....the kaby lake core m/i5 will come native with tb3 and no longer require alpine ridge
"Kaby Lake is to be based on Intel's current 14nm process node, rather than its delayed 10nm node, and feature relatively minor tweaks to the Skylake architecture including native support for USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt 3 peripherals."
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Where do you get that quote from? I can't find any information to confirm that Y processors support TB3 natively.
 
I really want the Touch Bar and Touch ID. Anyone have any ideas on whether we should expect that or not? Or should I just go with the Pro. My '12 rMBP is starting to show its age sadly
 
im really waiting on the kaby lake.

it should have stronger usb c output for external monitors (particularly running 60hz at 4k/5k), and the new keyboard. Which should basically future proof my specific needs until they switch to zen from AMD

I dont think they will put Ax core processors soon. if ever. the gpu side isnt strong enough to support external monitors at the resolutions intel/amd can at 60hz. They would have to develop a completely different chip.
 
wait for the KL...no one should buy the current gen now. The kaby lake is kind of confirmed...with the ability to add 16gb RAM,probably TB3 and price cut. Even the non touchbar 13" MBP will have a price cut since Apple reports that is not selling well...so it seems that the touch bar will come in every macbook sooner or later,plus external touchbar+touchid(if they can put the arm secure element in it) keyboard
 
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If the rumours are true and the MacBook is getting 16GB Ram and Kaby Lake processors, it's going to be VERY difficult for me to decide between getting a 12" MacBook or the MacBook Pro later this year.
 
Dave245 said:
If the rumours are true and the MacBook is getting 16GB Ram and Kaby Lake processors, it's going to be VERY difficult for me to decide between getting a 12" MacBook or the MacBook Pro later this year.
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12" Macbook or 15" Macbook pro? strange , but if you compare 12" Macbook vs 13" nTB MBP than yes...hard,if you travel a lot-Macbook, if not, 13" nTB MBP
 
fokmik said:
12" Macbook or 15" Macbook pro? strange , but if you compare 12" Macbook vs 13" nTB MBP than yes...hard,if you travel a lot-Macbook, if not, 13" nTB MBP
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I was thinking the 12" MacBook or the 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, i have a 2012 iMac at home, but i also use an iPad Pro for things like drawing and media consumption, my current MacBook Pro 2011, has been a great machine and saw me through 4 years of university. However this year may be the year i update, it's just a matter of to which machine. I do all sorts, i'm a writer but i also edit audio such as podcasts and so on.
 
If I could have my cake and eat it too, my dream setup would be:

current 2016 retina MacBook footprint & weight, with
- thunderbolt 3 (I'll live with a single port)
- 16 GB RAM
- 1 TB SSD
- enough GPU to run the LG Ultrafine 5K

But I'm sure that's not realistic, unfortunately.
 
svendobbelaere said:
If I could have my cake and eat it too, my dream setup would be:

current 2016 retina MacBook footprint & weight, with
- thunderbolt 3 (I'll live with a single port)
- 16 GB RAM
- 1 TB SSD
- enough GPU to run the LG Ultrafine 5K

But I'm sure that's not realistic, unfortunately.
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the next one, can really have all of it...16gb ram we already have a rumour, 1 tb ssd has very high chances since the Pro now offer 2T, for that LG it must have TB3 and you are good to go and buy. Lets see what march event will prepare for us
 
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