I was thinking about dementia while typing that post.Are you going to put one on yourself so your kids can find you?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I was thinking about dementia while typing that post.Are you going to put one on yourself so your kids can find you?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I was getting ready to say if someone knew what that bag wasWhat is the make of the bag shown in the first picture?
I generally don’t either, but my daughter’s backpack and my wife’s keys are another story. And I’m usually always the one that has to find them.Am I the only one who hasn't lost anything in over 30 years?
Once it’s ‘with you’ it shouldn’t appear on any else’s devices.Anyone figure out how a plane will work when there are 50 other iPhone's picking up your Air Tagged keys in your carryon as traveling with them? Will its proximity to your phone prevent others from being able to disable it?
One factor is certainly how often one uses public transport. I've used public transport probably six days a week for most of my adult live. The most frequently forgotten object was probably an umbrella (which one also easily forgets at restaurants, stores etc.). When travelling by train on leisure trips with multiple items of luggage, forgetting an extra plastic bag with food in it has happened multiple times. I've also forgotten hats in the overhead luggage compartment in trains more often than I would like to admit.The “travel” use cases some are touting here also seem of limited value. Knowing where your misrouted luggage is (assuming all the technical requirements to be able to ascertain that accurately are met) is of little value. It won’t reunite you with you items any quicker. if someone intended to steal your items, having the tag hidden in your bag will only help you retrieve the empty bag, and possibly the tag itself.
I sure hope so. These things need to support the scenario where items purposefully, temporarily leave your possession.Why would they start beeping? There’s very rarely a flight that takes a full three day. And I am pretty sure a baggage handler carrying a bag for a couple of minutes won’t trigger the anti-stalking feature; that probably won’t start for at least an hour. Apple isn’t stupid enough to not having considered such scenarios.
I understand, but is attaching tags to everything you may possibly carry with you really the answer? Carry extra tags just in case, like for a bag of food? Manage when each one should or should not be “active” (assuming you can be notified if you stray away from them or something like that) so you don‘t get bothered when you decide to leave home without your tagged umbrella?One factor is certainly how often one uses public transport. I've used public transport probably six days a week for most of my adult live. The most frequently forgotten object was probably an umbrella (which one also easily forgets at restaurants, stores etc.). When travelling by train on leisure trips with multiple items of luggage, forgetting an extra plastic bag with food in it has happened multiple times. I've also forgotten hats in the overhead luggage compartment in trains more often than I would like to admit.
Point of clarification - we drive on the right side.You can't talk too much when you're still driving in the wrong side of the road![]()
The fact that you’d love to buy one, is your justification.No, you're not. As much as I love Apple and gadgets, I can't, in any way, justify buying one of these, as much as I would love to.
My argument was multi-pronged:I understand, but is attaching tags to everything you may possibly carry with you really the answer? Carry extra tags just in case, like for a bag of food? Manage when each one should or should not be “active” (assuming you can be notified if you stray away from them or something like that) so you don‘t get bothered when you decide to leave home without your tagged umbrella?
I honestly think making an effort to apply some repeatable, routine behaviors during transitions (arriving at home, leaving home, entering/leaving a vehicle, entering/leaving an establishment, etc.) would remove most of the need for these devices for the majority of people. When leaving home I always ask myself “do I have everything I need (wallet, keys, paperwork if I need it for an appointment, etc.)”. In other transitions I ask myself “do I have everything I had when I entered”?
I‘m not a medical professional, but I think there may be other benefits to trying to do it on our own. I know I don’t remember phone numbers like I used to. The reason is “well, they are all in my iPhone anyway.” I worry that the more we allow these devices to provide what I can only refer to as “mental crutches”, the heavier the price we will pay down the road as we approach the inevitable age-related cognitive decline.
iPhones have iCloud Activation Lock though.You'd probably be able to reset them to factory conditions as you can with an iPhone.
But I can’t reset your iPhone if I steal it from you, that was my point.As have AirTags.
Unless you have a personal valet carrying your luggage for extended periods of time, the anti-stalking feature won't kick in. These this the decision tree for an AirTag:I sure hope so. These things need to support the scenario where items purposefully, temporarily leave your possession.
Regarding the beeping after three days. These things don't just start beeping after a 3 day period. To prevent unwanted tracking of a person or vehicle, they make themselves known pretty quickly if you start to track them. Else the unwanted tracking prevention – especially of someone without an iPhone that can detect someone else's AirTag – doesn't really work if you can track their movements for a whopping 3 days before they make noise. I'm trying to resolve in my mind how this unwanted tracking prevention behavior allows the checked bag scenario to also work.
See this article:But I can’t reset your iPhone if I steal it from you, that was my point.
if Airtags have IAL too, then they are a pointless theft.
But why? It becomes useless as soon as it’s locked to the first Apple ID?Soon to be the most stolen thing ever.
Yes, this is the point I have been making-a stolen AirTag is useless to the thief.See this article:
"AirTags also have a unique security feature called Pairing Lock, which protects against people who may find your lost item and snatch the AirTag from it to use as their own. Huang likens Pairing Lock to the iPhone’s Activation Lock. “It means that if you lose your AirTag, somebody can’t just pick up your AirTag, re-pair it with their phone, and continue using it,” he says."
All fair points, and I would never argue the feature should not exist. I do have the concerns I stated about it, though.My argument was multi-pronged:
a) People do lose stuff all the time, even if a lot of it is low value (umbrellas, gloves, hats, plastic bags)
b) Some of those items actually have a somewhat significant value (I have hats, gloves, Swiss army knifes that cost close to $100)
c) Within that group, some items are suitable for attaching trackers like AirTags (I have Tiles on a couple of my hats and I have quite a number of times spent considerable amount of time retracing my steps to find stuff I had lost, also there is no ‘managing’ needed, attach the tracker, label it in the app with the name of the item and you are set until it is time to change the battery)
I am just triggered by generalisations like ‘I have never lost something in 30 years’ because I think a lot of times they aren’t actually true and even if, they aren’t true for most people.
And yes, routines help which is exactly the reason why you lose stuff when you break routine, eg, when travelling. Routines also don’t help too much with stuff falling out of your pockets. Have you never had something slide out of your pants pocket while sitting down, or a glove falling out of your jacket pocket while walking?
And finally, maybe that’s just the inverse of Murphy’s law, but I haven’t lost a single hat since I attached Tiles to them (and I don’t mean recovered thanks to Tile, they haven’t gone missing in the first place). And should features like Find My iPhone not exist because they make us less careful?
There is some value with an airtag in the airline situation. Being able to say to the agent “I lost my bag, my airtag shows it in Chicago, can you help?” Rather than “I lost my bag, it never arrived on the luggage belt, can you help?” should be useful. (If the luggage tag was with an airline that scans the baggage tags, hopefully they already have that info, but when I worked for the airline (over 15 years ago, to be fair) all the luggage wasn’t always scanned.Nope. Not by a long shot.
I just don’t see any use case for this product that would apply to me. I’ve always had certain routines in place so the things I need to find (keys, phone, wallet, checkbook, remote controls, etc.) are always where I expect them to be. Not saying I sometimes can’t find an item I rarely use quickly, but I’m not about to attach a $30 tag to an infrequently used item anyway.
The “travel” use cases some are touting here also seem of limited value. Knowing where your misrouted luggage is (assuming all the technical requirements to be able to ascertain that accurately are met) is of little value. It won’t reunite you with you items any quicker. if someone intended to steal your items, having the tag hidden in your bag will only help you retrieve the empty bag, and possibly the tag itself.
I had a set of aluminum rimoya for a few years and locked my iPhone inside the carryon after a hardcore week in Hong Kong - Find My iPhone didn’t work - didn’t see it. Gave up and caught my flight home. Found the iPhone (still powered up) in my jeans pocket later when unpacking. Curiously HK airport security didn’t say anything when they scanned my carryon. That doesn’t definitely mean the tag won’t work however because Ultra Wideband is a different system but I doubt it will because the aluminum rimoya completely encases it in metal. Maybe you should try and see if later version Bluetooth headphones will remain connected if you put the iPhone in the closed suitcase?I'm curious if it could work when it is inside my aluminum rimowa suitcase. Or the signal is just not powerful enough to pass through the material. Anyone ideas?
That’s a very interesting point. With all of their emphasis on privacy and security you could construe that this is a breach of someone’s trust if it’s not clearly pointed out to them when they get an Apple device. And shouldn’t users be compensated for the packet usage? At minimum there should be notification and an opt out mechanism from this de facto network.What does that mean for our 4G/5G usage?
Will our phone pick up airtags as we walk around and continuously send data back to Apple's servers?