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TheGeneralLee86

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What upgrades can I do to this mac and these are the specs:
PowerMac G4
CPU 733Mhz
1.5GB Ram not sure if DDR Ram or not
2 X 60GB HDD
GB Ethernet
5 USB PCI Card
SCSI PCI Card I am not 100% sure but am positive
OS 9.1
OS X 10.3.5
ATi Radeon 128MB GPU

I would like to install and find either a single CPU or Dual CPU of 1.0Ghz or more on this machine.
 

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Sonnet Duet 1.8Ghz Dual, or a Newertech MaxPower 2.0 Ghz single. Sonnet is hard to find, Newertech is extremely rare.

OSX 10.5.8 Leopard (or you can try installing Snow Leopard PowerPC).

PCI-SATA cards, so you can use SATA drives. ATI FireGL X3 is one of the best video cards you can get. It'll need to be flashed. You might be able to get an X1900 XT in there, but I've never done that so I'm guessing.

Belkin also makes a series of USB Bluetooth adapters if you want to have Bluetooth.
 
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It is not DDR RAM. I have the same model but with Ye Olde GeForce2 in there.

Your system can run MorphOS, which is updated and has updated software. It can also run Mac 10.5 with LeopardAssist. Mine runs rather well in 10.5, even though it is horribly underpowered for it. It can also run Linux, but PowerPC flavors of Linux trade updated software for the speed of a slug.
 
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TheGeneralLee86

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Sonnet Duet 1.8Ghz Dual, or a Newertech MaxPower 2.0 Ghz single. Sonnet is hard to find, Newertech is extremely rare.

OSX 10.5.8 Leopard (or you can try installing Snow Leopard PowerPC).

PCI-SATA cards, so you can use SATA drives. ATI FireGL X3 is one of the best video cards you can get. It'll need to be flashed. You might be able to get an X1900 XT in there, but I've never done that so I'm guessing.

Belkin also makes a series of USB Bluetooth adapters if you want to have Bluetooth.
Thank You and whatever one I can find first will probably be the one I go with, just need to find one now and do you know where I can find them?
It is not DDR RAM. I have the same model but with Ye Olde GeForce2 in there.

Your system can run MorphOS, which is updated and has updated software. It can also run Mac 10.5 with LeopardAssist. Mine runs rather well in 10.5, even though it is horribly underpowered for it. It can also run Linux, but PowerPC flavors of Linux trade updated software for the speed of a slug.
Ok was wondering about that one was not sure on if it was DDR or not thank you! I probably keep the original OSs on it because I want to keep compatible with writing the 1.44MB Disks that My Classic I and II can read so I can write vintage software that I find online to floppies to use on them
 
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eyoungren

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Thank You and whatever one I can find first will probably be the one I go with, just need to find one now and do you know where I can find them?
eBay is the only place I've ever seen them. They stopped being sold by the manufacturers over a decade ago.
 

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What upgrades can I do to this mac and these are the specs:
PowerMac G4
CPU 733Mhz
1.5GB Ram not sure if DDR Ram or not
2 X 60GB HDD
GB Ethernet
5 USB PCI Card
SCSI PCI Card I am not 100% sure but am positive
OS 9.1
OS X 10.3.5
ATi Radeon 128MB GPU

I would like to install and find either a single CPU or Dual CPU of 1.0Ghz or more on this machine.
- It's SD ram, not DDR.
- I would go with a SATA PCI card, there is plentiful info on those in this forum.
- Any NEC USB 2.0 card should work
- You can install Mac OS X 10.4.11 or 10.5.8 (10.5.8 will need LeopardAssist or the installer bypassed)
at the very least, update to 10.3.9 and 9.2.2
- from your other thread, I don't think you're reading the label right, it probably has an ATI Radeon 7000 GPU, unless it has been upgraded to a Radeon 9600 or something. Very far behind a “ATI Radeon 128MB”. If you do indeed have a 128MB Radeon in there, that’s already a pretty decent card especially for being a slower G4. The “128MB” on the sticker is the original RAM amount of the system.
 
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TheGeneralLee86

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eBay is the only place I've ever seen them. They stopped being sold by the manufacturers over a decade ago.

I kind of figured, but wasn't quite sure, What words should I use to search for them? I know that might be a weird question but just want to make sure that I am using the right search criteria so I don't miss them when they come up for sale.

- It's SD ram, not DDR.
- I would go with a SATA PCI card, there is plentiful info on those in this forum.
- Any NEC USB 2.0 card should work
- You can install Mac OS X 10.4.11 or 10.5.8 (10.5.8 will need LeopardAssist or the installer bypassed)
at the very least, update to 10.3.9 and 9.2.2
- from your other thread, I don't think you're reading the label right, it probably has an ATI Radeon 7000 GPU, unless it has been upgraded to a Radeon 9600 or something. Very far behind a “ATI Radeon 128MB”. If you do indeed have a 128MB Radeon in there, that’s already a pretty decent card especially for being a slower G4. The “128MB” on the sticker is the original RAM amount of the system.
I opened the case and it is a Ati Mac edition Radeon 9250 128MB says it right on the GPU Board, which is red. I am pretty sure the USB Card in it is USB 2.0 cause when I check system profiler it said High Speed USB.
 
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I kind of figured, but wasn't quite sure, What words should I use to search for them? I know that might be a weird question but just want to make sure that I am using the right search criteria so I don't miss them when they come up for sale.
That's tough to say. Sonnet as a company still exists so searching for them will get you a bunch of new products you have to wade through. If you search specifically for a Sonnet Duet or a Sonnet G4 you won't find anything really. You just kind of need to be there I guess whenever an item is for sale - which is infrequently. The Newertech you'll never find there. I've never seen it, but I know someone who has that processor.
 

TheGeneralLee86

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That's tough to say. Sonnet as a company still exists so searching for them will get you a bunch of new products you have to wade through. If you search specifically for a Sonnet Duet or a Sonnet G4 you won't find anything really. You just kind of need to be there I guess whenever an item is for sale - which is infrequently. The Newertech you'll never find there. I've never seen it, but I know someone who has that processor.
There found one already from Bonanza.com here What do I need for a heatsink and if the one that is on current processor will work?

I ended up buying it.
 
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I kind of figured, but wasn't quite sure, What words should I use to search for them? I know that might be a weird question but just want to make sure that I am using the right search criteria so I don't miss them when they come up for sale.


I opened the case and it is a Ati Mac edition Radeon 9250 128MB says it right on the GPU Board, which is red. I am pretty sure the USB Card in it is USB 2.0 cause when I check system profiler it said High Speed USB.
That is awesome. That’s a pretty decent card for that system. Someone else definitely upgraded it before you. That is the one of the best graphic cards that supports OS 9, and is also decent on OS X.
 

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What do I need for a heatsink and if the one that is on current processor will work?
No idea. I have a Sonnet, and I had a single Sonnet before that.

But they looked like this when I bought (had) them.

Sonnet_N29502_Encore_ST_G4_Duet_1_8_1233152987_534774.jpg
 

TheGeneralLee86

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That is awesome. That’s a pretty decent card for that system. Someone else definitely upgraded it before you. That is the one of the best graphic cards that supports OS 9, and is also decent on OS X.
That makes me pretty happy then I scored good on it then. It is a PCI GPU Now on to upgrading the CPU and I already bought the one I linked which the seller says is compatible with Digital Audio PowerMac G4 which is what I have and hopefully it works.

No idea. I have a Sonnet, and I had a single Sonnet before that.

But they looked like this when I bought (had) them.

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But I contacted the seller cause in the listing it said he has a heat sink for it and to contact him and he will include it.
 
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eyoungren

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But I contacted the seller cause in the listing it said he has a heat sink for it and to contact him and he will include it.
OK, well that's good then. Hopefully 'heat sink' also includes the fan(s). I've never seen a G4 Sonnet without a fan for the heat sink.
 

TheGeneralLee86

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Looks like I might have to go with a single CPU at 1.8Ghz cause he says "I do have a single 1.8GHz 7448 upgrade that does include a heatsink, as well as a single 1.8GHz 7447 that includes a heatsink. I also have a 1.4GHz 7457 CPU card that should plug in and work with your existing heatsink (it originally came from a Digital Audio). And, I also have a 1.53GHz 7457 CPU card that came from a Quicksilver. That one should work with your heatsink if you cut some clearance for the capacitors, or if you use a heatsink from a Quicksilver. The Single CPU Quicksilver heatsinks are still pretty easy to find. If you want to proceed with the dual CPU, I can make a heatsink for it, but it will take some time. Or you can DIY something on your own, or if you can find a heatsink from a dual 800MHz or dual 1GHz Apple Quicksilver computer, it should work." What do you guys think?
 

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How much did you pay for that DA ?? An MDD would be better since you can get 2GB of DDR memory and better upgrade options.. a 1.42 dualie is better.
 

TheGeneralLee86

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How much did you pay for that DA ?? An MDD would be better since you can get 2GB of DDR memory and better upgrade options.. a 1.42 dualie is better.
$200 USD and it is a Graphite Digital Audio and in very good condition, came with the original Keyboard, Mouse, and software, mostly just Adobe Creative Suite CS2, didn't come with all original restore discs it has eMac restore disks and ordered some PowerMac G4 Digital Audio ones for it but they don't work with it for some reason only the eMac ones do?

I used the ones I bought that said they were for PowerMac G4 and the OS X disk won't boot for some reason keeps giving me error 1 on reboot though I can see the cd or DVD whichever it is and I used the one labeled PowerMac disks and they get to near the end of copying disk 2 and error out. I know the disks are not scratched, the CD/DVD Drive works cause I can use the emac OS X Disk and it works fine and I burned an iso of OS 9.2.2 and that works fine as well, The HDDs all sound good and hear no clicking or anything.
 
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Check your firmware version - like the sawtooth and gigabit Ethernet it has to be 4.2.8f1 - odd the discs you have are not working, but you can find the original ones on the garden. I am surprised the eMac disc set us working on it, but it isn’t normal as you should be able to use the original discs it came with - try to download the original DA disc set from www.nacintoshgarden.org.
 
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TheGeneralLee86

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Check your firmware version - like the sawtooth and gigabit Ethernet it has to be 4.2.8f1 - odd the discs you have are not working, but you can find the original ones on the garden.
Yeah I did Update the firmware and still nothing though I can use the emac ones that came with it (which is weird cause they are definitely not original to this machine) when I bought it and they work fine with no issues.
 

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That is messed up man.. maybe a logic board issue ?? But do this goto the site I left for you and try to download, burn the DA original disc sw set. Maybe the original discs you bought (assume eBay) ? were no good and not working. Try the garden and let me know - if after that and the originals from there work - kewl beans, otherwise dude your discs are probably messed up( the DA ones). But even so, eMac shouldn’t work on that machine. WEIRD !
 

TheGeneralLee86

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That is messed up man.. maybe a logic board issue ?? But do this goto the site I left for you and try to download, burn the DA original disc sw set. Maybe the original discs you bought (assume eBay) ? were no good and not working. Try the garden and let me know - if after that and the originals from there work - kewl beans, otherwise dude your discs are probably messed up( the DA ones). But even so, eMac shouldn’t work on that machine. WEIRD !
Yeah I'll do that, I wonder if the data on those disks is corrupted somehow?

Edited: I'm wondering if the disk is suppose to have another disk with it? because when I search for a retail version it looks like this with 2 disks:
s-l1600.jpg

Mine looks exactly like the disk with white background and blue x but did not come with the grey disk?
 
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Those look like retail discs.. But, again check with www.macintoshgarden.org under Digital Audio G4 install media. Download those files and burn them - try again. No way an emac disc set can work on the DA, unless if it was altered to run.
 

TheGeneralLee86

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Those look like retail discs.. But, again check with www.macintoshgarden.org under Digital Audio G4 install media. Download those files and burn them - try again. No way an emac disc set can work on the DA, unless if it was altered to run.
I am downloading a DVD iso of OS X 10.4.11 Tiger I figured that might be a little easier. I noticed that on the emac DVDs they had the Mac OS X 10.3.5 on them separately and I think that is why it worked if I tried anything else on the DVD it would tell me it was the incorrect Macintosh.
 
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