What We Want to See in Leopard

[michaelrjohnson]

(P.S. This is such a surreal argument, I'm sorry.)

The word you're looking for is unreal.

 

[GodBless]

Ya, I also love that arrow, just too bad it would make everything shift. Hmm...

llama

If we make it so good then Apple might copy us. We will be a part of the OS. But will Apple pay us even though we have the copyright? No.

They have some of the best lawyers so we wouldn't have a chance of getting credit.

 

[mkrishnan]

The word you're looking for is unreal.

No, I think I'm fine with surreal.

Now the people still creating theories about the release of a PBG5...that's unreal.

 

[michaelrjohnson]

If we make it so good then Apple might copy us. We will be a part of the OS. But will Apple pay us even though we have the copyright? No.

They have some of the best lawyers so we wouldn't have a chance of getting credit.

Yeah, we'd probably hear something like "concurrent ideation" or something.

 

[sacear]

My statements never changed the fact that they are part of the OS, they just made the fact openly known.

I don't spin things. I clear the fog and describe the scene. I don't cover up reality.

6 out of 8 of the main Tiger features on the Apple Mac OS X web page are Applications. This is not reality distortion as you claim it is, instead it is a fact.

GodBless,

Those applications are not part of the Operating System.

Several others in this thread have also stated that.

 

[dejo]

My point exactly. Of course it won't run.

Well, if my iTunes won't run without the OS, then the OS "runs the computer".

Here's some more background for you: Operating system

 

[sacear]

Definition of Operating System (OS)

Well, if my iTunes won't run without the OS, then the OS "runs the computer".

Here's some more background for you: Operating system

Thank you for that dejo.

An operating system (OS) is the system software responsible for the direct control and management of hardware and basic system operations. Additionally, it provides a foundation upon which to run application software such as word processing programs and web browsers.

iTunes, Safari, and Disk Utility are not a part of the Operating System.

 

[GodBless]

Well, if my iTunes won't run without the OS, then the OS "runs the computer".

Here's some more background for you: Operating system

Well if you look here then you will see that there are many definitions for Operating System. But just think there is just one correct definition for Operating System. Wikipedia isn't as reliable as you might think it is.

 

[dejo]

Well if you look here then you will see that there are many definitions for Operating System. But just think there is just one correct definition for Operating System. Wikipedia isn't as reliable as you might think it is.

And most of those definitions support the fact that the OS "runs the computer", esepcially #4...

 

[Flying Llama]

If we make it so good then Apple might copy us. We will be a part of the OS. But will Apple pay us even though we have the copyright? No.

They have some of the best lawyers so we wouldn't have a chance of getting credit.

Well if that happens we can know that we made leopard a better OS, and we get bragging rights.

llama

 

[sacear]

Definition of Operating System (OS) expanded

Well if you look here then you will see that there are many definitions for Operating System. But just think there is just one correct definition for Operating System. Wikipedia isn't as reliable as you might think it is.

All of those definitions support the fact that the OS is the basic code that controls the hardware and allows applications to communicate with that hardware. Wikipedia is correct.

For your reading pleasure, from the link you provided:

• An operating system (OS) is the computer program that manages all other programs on the machine.
www.pacificwebsolutions.com/hosting_terminology.html

• The most important program that runs on a computer. Every general-purpose computer must have an operating system to run other programs. Operating systems perform basic tasks, such as recognizing input from the keyboard, sending output to the display screen, keeping track of files and directories on the disk, and controlling peripheral devices such as disk drives and printers.
www.brontedesign.com/glossary.asp

• Software controlling the overall operation of a multipurpose computer system, including such tasks as memory allocation, input and output distribution, interrupt processing, and job scheduling.
www.satech.com/glosofmemter.html

• The software that runs a computer, including scheduling tasks, managing storage, and handling communication with peripherals. Examples include DOS, Windows 95 and UNIX.
faculty.valencia.cc.fl.us/jdelisle/lis2004/glossary.htm

• A collection of programs which, together, manage all the basic functions of a computer. The operating system runs other programs (such as a word processor or graphics editor), manages the storage of your own documents, and coordinates the functions of the computer itself and all the devices connected to the computer. Windows Me, Mac OS and Linux are three examples of operating systems. A program written to work under one operating system will not work on another operating system (a different version must be written for each operating system - such as Microsoft Office for Windows and Office for the Mac, and Apple iTunes for Mac and iTunes for Windows.
www.uhd.edu/academic/support/lc/student_resources/glossary.htm

• Software designed to control the hardware of a specific data-processing system in order to allow users and application programs to employ it easily.

• The software of a computer that controls the execution of programs, typically handling the functions of input/output control, resource scheduling, and data management (eg, CP/M, MS-DOS, VM/370).
www.oregoninnovation.org/pressroom/glossary.o-r.html

• A set of software programs used by a computer to manage its own resources such as the screen, keyboard, and hard disk, and to communicate with the user. Examples of operating systems are Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Mac OS 8, Linux, and Unix. The operating is the core of the computer's operation, and the application programs such as word processors and iTunes run on top of it.

• The master control program that runs the computer. It is the first program loaded when the computer is turned on, and its main part, called the kernel, resides in memory at all times. That is not iTunes.
www.park-meadow.org/computer_terms.htm

• The base of any computer system. Operating systems perform basic tasks, such as recognizing input from the keyboard, sending output to the display screen, keeping track of files and directories on the disk, and controlling peripheral devices such as disk drives and printers.
www.systemsoft.com/l-2/l-3/support-glossary.htm

• System that consists of several programs that help the computer manage its own resources, such as manipulating files, running programs and controlling the keyboard and screen.
www.tyner.com/glossary.htm

• The operating system is programmed to act as an interface between the user of a computer and the computer devices. This program enables the user to operate all software applications and to conveniently access all resources available on the computer including the CPU, media drives, memory, printers and storage devices.
www.harddiskrecovery.net/computer_glossary.html

• The software responsible for allocating system resources, including memory, processor time, disk space, and peripheral devices such as printers, modems, and the monitor. All application programs use the OS to gain access to these system resources as they are needed. The OS is the first program loaded into the computer as it boots, and it remains in memory at all times thereafter. DOS,OS/2,Win 9x&2000, Unix and Sun are all operating systems.
www.angelfire.com/ny3/diGi8tech/OGlossary.html

• A program that provides a user interface and an application interface (which makes it possible for application programs to run) and manages computer system resources.
www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/glossary.html

• Software that shares a computer system's resources (processor, memory, disk space, network bandwidth, and so on) between users and the application programs they run. Controls access to the system to provide security.
www.linuxjunkies.org/Filesystem/glossary.html

• The software that the rest of the software on a computer depends on to make the computer functional.
precisecyberforensics.com/glossary.html

• An operating system is the program that, after being initially loaded into the computer, manages all the other programs in a computer. The other programs are called applications.
www.gateway2sms.com/glossary.asp

• The program that manages all the other programs in a computer.
www.gslis.utexas.edu/~vlibrary/glossary/

• Software that controls the execution of computer programs and may provide various services.
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

• An operating system (OS) is the system software responsible for the direct control and management of hardware and basic system operations. Additionally, it provides a foundation upon which to run application software such as word processing programs and web browsers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system

iTunes, Safari, and Disk Utility are not a part of the Operating System.

 

[GodBless]

iTunes, Safari, and Disk Utility are not a part of the Operating System.

Apple claims that these are part of their OS and they create the OS. Not one of these definitions is from a company that makes an OS. None of them have official definitions and none know enough to define Operating System properly.

 

[sacear]

Apple claims that these are part of their OS and they create the OS. Not one of these definitions is from a company that makes an OS. None of them have official definitions and none know enough to define Operating System properly.

iTunes, Safari, and Disk Utility are not a part of the Operating System.

 

[michaelrjohnson]

Apple claims that these are part of their OS and they create the OS. Not one of these definitions is from a company that makes an OS. None of them have official definitions and none know enough to define Operating System properly.

iTunes, Safari, and Disk Utility are not a part of the Operating System.

I'm surprised this is still going on.

GodBless, I admire your determination, but still after reading all of your arguments, it's hard for me to come to the conclusion that those apps are part of the OS.

 

[MarkCollette]

If we make it so good then Apple might copy us. We will be a part of the OS. But will Apple pay us even though we have the copyright? No.

They have some of the best lawyers so we wouldn't have a chance of getting credit.

There is no such thing as copyrighting an idea.

Ideas are a dime a dozen - it's the implementation or execution that counts.

 

[mkrishnan]

There is no such thing as copyrighting an idea.

Ideas are a dime a dozen - it's the implementation or execution that counts.

The method of selecting windows is probably patentable, though.

 

[Flying Llama]

The method of selecting windows is probably patentable, though.

Yes, and that is what's so stupid about software patents, I hope the same law won't pass for Europe...

llama

 

[RacerX]

Innovation is basically new features; the things that we never saw before in OS X or anywhere else. (A Tiger example is the cmd+ctrl+d dictionary look-up feature.)

How is the dictionary look-up feature something we have never seen before in Mac OS X or anywhere else?

NeXT included Digital Webster with every version of NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP that could be used to define a selected word via either the services menu or key combination (cmd-=). When it wasn't included with Rhapsody, the Omni Group brought it back with one of the first web services applications... OmniDictionary, which has been available for Mac OS X since at least Developer Preview 4. And Nisus Thesaurus is also available via the services menu for doing a quick look up on a word.

The fact that Apple has put back something that was there before is hardly new. And it is absolutely not something we never saw before (except for some one new to Macs I guess). I know I see this feature every day in OPENSTEP, Rhapsody and Mac OS X.

 

[iMacZealot]

After some thinking, I came up with a simple yet great idea for Leopard. I think it would be great to have a much quicker and more efficent OS. Yes, System 10 is quick and efficent, but couldn't Apple make it even more efficent? Also, I would like to see the system take up less space on the dard disk. I think these are great ideas that could enhance everyone's experience with their Macintosh.

 

[beatle888]

Dock - be able to add dividers like the one that separates the apps from the trash, not fake icon ones
Add more docks - be able to add more docks to the left and right of the screen. Sometimes I would like another one to put different things. 1 for apps, 1 for docs I'm working on/stuff I'm working on

quick thought on how OSX can help you now...i didnt really think this through so you can disect it at will...

in the doc you could have the latest documents your working on and in the finder window panel (on the right of every finder window) you can have folders to your current projects. in the tool bar area of every finder window you could have all of your applications. this could help but you might want to change the order. anyway, i just wanted to point out that OSX has three places for you to store aliases.

 

[GodBless]

quick thought on how OSX can help you now...i didnt really think this through so you can disect it at will...

in the doc you could have the latest documents your working on and in the finder window panel (on the right of every finder window) you can have folders to your current projects. in the tool bar area of every finder window you could have all of your applications. this could help but you might want to change the order. anyway, i just wanted to point out that OSX has three places for you to store aliases.

Yeah but an all in one solution is desirable. I think that is what slooksterPSV was trying to get across. Leopard can definitely offer a better solution.

 

[mkrishnan]

Yes, and that is what's so stupid about software patents, I hope the same law won't pass for Europe...

Good luck with that, but it seems, unfortunately, that as a result of the WTO, every country in the world is adopting the most restrictive version of IP law that's used by any member state.... That's an exaggeration, but it still concerns me.

I was really worried about the impact of changing Indian IP law on the ability of Indian pharmas to provide low-cost AIDS drugs to Africa... it looks like that issue has reached a mostly agreeable compromise, but who knows for how long....

 

[MarkCollette]

The method of selecting windows is probably patentable, though.

A specific method for selecting windows could be patented (especially in the USA where parent clerks are legally required to have lived their adult lives in an insane asylum) but not just generically selecting windows.

Luckily there's prior art going back to the 60s anyway, so have no fear.

 

[Val-kyrie]

Packet Writing

If Apple wants to compete with MS in the OS World, Leopard needs to gain packet writing capabilities and Mt. Rainier hardware (CD-MRW). This will become the new floppy in the PC World and even Longhorn is supposed to supporr it.

 

[Platform]

MILTISESSION BURNING as default and easier

This is a must

Other:

Res indipendent OS
Better Speed
Spotlight, Dock and Dashboard enhancments​