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IMHO, an Apple tablet needs to be powerful in order to be successful.

Multitouch - duh
2 USB ports
SD slot
1 GB of DDR3 RAM
a CPU like the original MacBook Air (C2D 1.6Ghz)
32GB or 64GB SSD
Airport (duh)
Built in battery

I think it should run standard OS X.

I have OS X on a Dell Mini 9 (1.6 atom, 16 GB SSD and 2 GB RAM) and it runs well. There are limitations though, the atom processor means Hulu "burps" and it makes it hard to watch (but the screen is so small, that I just watch Hulu or Netflix on my MBP anyway). The mini 9 has a weak SSD and 2 GBs RAM, but a real C2D processor could mean Hulu works smoothly.


I am an iPhone developer and have been playing around with streaming video to the iPhone. Mainly, these are music videos (similar to those for sale on the iTunes store). Others, are short video podcasts or home movies running in length from 1-20 minutes. To see what would happen, I tried a movie ripped from a DVD and reformatted for the iPhone/AppleTV.

Long story, short: I was standing in the middle of a park at the kid's soccer practice, watching Bella (the movie) on my iPhone 3GS streaming over 3G cell. There was less than 30 second delay, then the movie played as if it were stored on the iPhone, or it I were watching it on my computer or AppleTV. I detail the specifics, below.

The point is, it is very practical, today, to watch streaming video on an ARM iPhone or a larger screen ARM tablet.



Dick


Now, here's what's happening:

-- these videos are on Apple's servers on a mobileme site
-- no special bandwidth capability at the server... just normal mobilme
-- no special streaming software at the server... just m4v and mov files
-- no special streaming software at the iPhone... it uses Apples MoviePlayer with the following code:

Code:
	MediaPlayerViewController *mMoviePlayer; 
	mMoviePlayer = [[MediaPlayerViewController alloc] 
					initWithNibName:@"MediaPlayerViewController" 
					bundle:nil]; 
[B]	mMoviePlayer.mMovieURL = [NSURL URLWithString:url]; 
	
	[mMoviePlayer initMoviePlayer];
	
	[mMoviePlayer playMovie:mMoviePlayer];
 [/B]

The three highlighted lines:

1) Tell the MoviePlayer to use a URL (movie file) on the MobileMe site
2) Initializes the MoviePlayer
3) Plays the movie

This is the exact same Apple MoviePlayer that Mobile Safari uses if you surf to an URL containing a movie file.

So what happens is this, on the iPhone run the app (or Mobile Safari):

1) Select the movie (or enter the URL) of the file on the MobileMe site
2) The iPhone MoviePlayer:
-- locates the remote file
-- begins down loading and buffering the file
-- when enough data is buffered, begins playing the Movie
3) with standard controls, you can zoom, set volume and scrub to wherever you want in the movie

How well does it work you ask?

On WifI:

-- short podcasts and Music videos begin playing in 1-5 seconds
-- long movie* begins playing in 10-20 seconds
-- scrub anywhere in long movie*, gives 1-2 second lag before playing resumes

On 3G:

-- short podcasts and Music videos begin playing in 5-10 seconds
-- long movie* begins playing in 20-30 seconds
-- scrub anywhere in long movie*, gives 5-10 second lag before playing resumes

On 2G: Pretty much unusable

-- short podcasts and Music videos begin playing in 30-50 seconds
-- long movie* begins playing in 60-120 seconds (or more, if ever)
-- scrub anywhere in long movie*, gives 60-120 second (or more) lag before playing resumes


* here are the specifics of the long movie

Movie%20Details.jpg
 
Imagine the Kindle App from the iPhone on a bigger form factor (like the Kindle DX), Plus a good PDF viewer (unlike the Kindle DX), plus a ebook reader for open formats (ePub), plus a web browser and email client.

With the size of Amazon's Kindle store. The time is ripe for a killer eBook Reader. And this, my friends, is it.

And BTW, didn't Apple spend a lot of time demoing a textbook reader for the iPhone. Anyone else think it would be stupid to read textbooks on a screen that small? Those guys are almost certainly early targets for the Apple Tablet.

You heard it here first (or second, or whatever)!

--t

I didn't have time to read this entire thread, but I agree with this post.

I don't think the "killer feature" is going to necessarily be hardware based, but software based - iTunes bookstore and more apps that could work better on a slightly larger form factor than the iPhone or iPod Touch. The device itself will again be designed as a "pod" where it can be whatever it (or software developers) want it to be. Remember, Apple is software company not a computer or hardware company.
 
Dock your iPhone in the tablet and have use of its 3G network

That is what I was going to post! Essentially, I see the killer feature being the tablet being more or less a docking station for the iPhone that adds the ability to run beefier apps like real productivity apps and a more robust OS.

Together, it could replace a netbook. That is my idea of a killer feature.
 
I don't think the "killer feature" is going to necessarily be hardware based, but software based - iTunes bookstore and more apps that could work better on a slightly larger form factor than the iPhone or iPod Touch.
I'm still scrabbling around to find what the killer application would be, but a decent bookstore + instant on would be something that netbooks don't currently do well. It would need a huge store, though. Whether Apple achieves this will depend on the extent to which publishers are prepared to risk losing control of their distribution route in the way that the music companies have. That's a legal / strategic insight issue, rather than a technical one. If I was a publisher, I wouldn't know which way to jump on this one. Perhaps Apple would be a useful counterweight to Amazon?
 
Perhaps the "tablet" is a companion product to the maligned AppleTV?

Exactly. If the tablet has a builtin infrared transmitter then it could be the ultimate universal remote. Add recording capabilites to AppleTV and the combination would go a LONG ways toward making complicated living room media setups easy to use.
 
LOL. Of course, teleportation would be beautifully integrated with Google Maps.
LOL Yes it has to integrate with Google Maps or Teleportion is useless.
That's obvious oh and it has to have ponies.
Without ponies it will be a total failure cause I said so.
:D
 
I think "both" the Iphone OS desktop and normal desktop is the solution - phone GUI for simple tasks (when it's an entertainment pad), and the desktop underneath when you want to use it as a tablet PC.

ARM would be a fail for the latter - no existing apps will work, it must be x64 for that.

If Apple eventually allows desktop apps on this imaginary product, they will have to be recompiled for multi-core ARM. Perhaps even App store reviewed. However Snow Leopard will be running under the hood (under Son-of-Cocoa-Touch).

PC desktop apps on tablets have been a historical failure (the medical + geek market is way to small to pay for the product tooling costs). Apple has always tried to distance themselves from failed UI's: e.g. they didn't support command-line apps on the Mac for over a decade (except AIX and MPW for devs), until well after the MS had long obsoleted the DOS command-line.

Stupidity is repeating things that fail. Apple will find a different way to fail, if they in fact do. They've chosen ARM.

And I'll say it again: the killer app is the iPod Touch, except with a display size big enough that I don't need to go hunting for my reading glasses.
 
Exactly. If the tablet has a builtin infrared transmitter then it could be the ultimate universal remote. Add recording capabilites to AppleTV and the combination would go a LONG ways toward making complicated living room media setups easy to use.

I think if Apple were thinking of using the tablet as an advanced remote for the AppleTV, they'd use a Bluetooth or Wifi connection, so it could send media lists/artwork etc. to the tablet rather than just being a 'dumb' remote control.

That way, you could browse what you want to watch/listen to next, without interrupting what's on the TV at the moment.
 
I still say that the killer feature will be that it will have a flexible OLED. If they manage that they will OWN the entire mobile gadget market for several years.
 
I agree with you guys. $999 would be way too cheap for this, but at that price it would absolutely kill the competition. I could still see this selling well for around $2,499. Apple isn't known for competing in the low end market so I don't know why there's an assumption that this new tablet will be any different. Who says that they HAVE to compete with the next-to-nothing-margins netbook market?

I predict $1799, the former price of the Air.
 
I think if Apple were thinking of using the tablet as an advanced remote for the AppleTV, they'd use a Bluetooth or Wifi connection, so it could send media lists/artwork etc. to the tablet rather than just being a 'dumb' remote control.

That said, when are consumer electronics companies going to join the 21st century and start integrating Bluetooth/Wifi into their products (televisions, receivers) so we can start using devices like the iPhone/iPod as remotes?

The whole home automation thing starts to break down when IR is still essential to the mix.
 
I think the merging of the Macbook and Macbook Pro line is telling in terms of the future tablet. I think what we will be seeing is a discontinuation of the MacBook and MacBook Air.
The Tablet will take the place of the Air for portability and the MacBook for price.
 
Possible solar panel built into the back to help battery life outdoors?

Two things are wrong with this
1 if it was on the back how would this be convenient if your holding it in your lap or on a table
2 solar panels are not advanced enough to charge a laptop battery in an hour, in order to do this you would need 4'x6' panel pointing directly toward the sun
 
A few thoughts.

1.
Yes this device needs a reason for being. The fact is tablets don't work for legacy productivity apps like spread sheets. So it won't be marketed as a computer replacement.
2.
I see publishing as a huge opportunity here. Will it be the nuclear app that blows sales sky high? I'm not sure but there is a clear need for models that don't emulate the free web site offering. Especially for the more limited distribution publications. So yeah subscriptions to "magazines" and "papers" would be a potential killer app.
3.
Video. One word sums it up, the unit needs to be able to deliver video/movies well. Maybe roll a bit of Apple TV into the device.
4.
Navigation. Yes it needs GPS but I suspect this is a given now adays.
5.
E-Books, PDFs and other assorted formats. Clean easy access to the various publishing formats would be a killer. Frankly I wish Apple had a clean and Apple supported PDF reader in the iPhone right now. One that allowed the local storage and management of PDFs. It would be fantastic for referencing materials in the field.
6.
A camera that can see through clothing. Come on you know it would sell like hot cakes for this reason alone.
7.
Voice transcription as an input method. Let's be honest here the on board/screen keyboards sort of work but voice transcription would eliminate slow and tedious input.
8.
The right physical size. Frankly the pictures of the ten inch device have put me off to the device as that is to big. What is needed is something with a seven inch or so screen. Grab and go portability is huge.
9.
OLED screen. This is almost mandatory in a tablet as it provides for a much wider viewing angle. Much of the need for stands and such go away allowing one to read the device like they do a paper at a desk. An LCD screen would be a big compromise on such a device and likely be a big negative with respect to sales.


Not all of the above are apps as such but they are things that lead to a killer device. The key for Apple is marketing, if they market it as a productivity machine all is lost. It simply won't be successful as a spread sheet machine.

Atleast not as a legacy spread sheet machine. This is why I want to see the OS derived from iPhone because the new APIs will prevent quick ports of legacy apps that don't fit the platform. Bad user reaction to legacy word processors, spread sheets and other office apps could result in the devices failure right out of the blocks. Which flips us back around to just what will be that killer app.

I see that as a consumptive app, that is one that helps a user consume media rather than create it. E-Books have promise here but not at the prices talked about here nor on a huge ten inch device. The same with movies, at some point you might as well by a laptop. I'm still a string believer in a 7" device. 10 inches is just to tweener to make anybody happy.


Dave
 
Real people don't ride trains!

Oh, I really thought those people on the train with books, newspapers and magazines in their hands were reading... my mistake... :)

Are you sure they where people? Because the only thing I've seen riding trains are lemmings.

In any event I'm sure that was part reality distortion field and part truth. The reality is people don't read, as a whole, like they use to. I suspect that Steevo was trying to highlight that people have many alternatives to reading these days.

Dave
 
1.
Yes this device needs a reason for being. The fact is tablets don't work for legacy productivity apps like spread sheets. So it won't be marketed as a computer replacement.
2.
I see publishing as a huge opportunity here. Will it be the nuclear app that blows sales sky high? I'm not sure but there is a clear need for models that don't emulate the free web site offering. Especially for the more limited distribution publications. So yeah subscriptions to "magazines" and "papers" would be a potential killer app.
3.
Video. One word sums it up, the unit needs to be able to deliver video/movies well. Maybe roll a bit of Apple TV into the device.
4.
Navigation. Yes it needs GPS but I suspect this is a given now adays.
5.
E-Books, PDFs and other assorted formats. Clean easy access to the various publishing formats would be a killer. Frankly I wish Apple had a clean and Apple supported PDF reader in the iPhone right now. One that allowed the local storage and management of PDFs. It would be fantastic for referencing materials in the field.
6.
A camera that can see through clothing. Come on you know it would sell like hot cakes for this reason alone.
7.
Voice transcription as an input method. Let's be honest here the on board/screen keyboards sort of work but voice transcription would eliminate slow and tedious input.
8.
The right physical size. Frankly the pictures of the ten inch device have put me off to the device as that is to big. What is needed is something with a seven inch or so screen. Grab and go portability is huge.
9.
OLED screen. This is almost mandatory in a tablet as it provides for a much wider viewing angle. Much of the need for stands and such go away allowing one to read the device like they do a paper at a desk. An LCD screen would be a big compromise on such a device and likely be a big negative with respect to sales.


Not all of the above are apps as such but they are things that lead to a killer device. The key for Apple is marketing, if they market it as a productivity machine all is lost. It simply won't be successful as a spread sheet machine.

Atleast not as a legacy spread sheet machine. This is why I want to see the OS derived from iPhone because the new APIs will prevent quick ports of legacy apps that don't fit the platform. Bad user reaction to legacy word processors, spread sheets and other office apps could result in the devices failure right out of the blocks. Which flips us back around to just what will be that killer app.

I see that as a consumptive app, that is one that helps a user consume media rather than create it. E-Books have promise here but not at the prices talked about here nor on a huge ten inch device. The same with movies, at some point you might as well by a laptop. I'm still a string believer in a 7" device. 10 inches is just to tweener to make anybody happy.


Dave

Nice post--)) However, I can assure you that many that do not have 20/20 vision will find a 7 in screen not acceptable.

I have a kindle 2 and for newspapers and magazines 7 in just doesn't cut it. ;)
 
I think if Apple were thinking of using the tablet as an advanced remote for the AppleTV, they'd use a Bluetooth or Wifi connection, so it could send media lists/artwork etc. to the tablet rather than just being a 'dumb' remote control.

Obviously the AppleTV connection would be WiFi so it works throughout most of the house, but I'm thinking of all those other infrared-controlled devices such as your TV, set-top box, DVD player, Dolby 5.1 receiver, HDMI switcher, etc. Think Logitech Harmony remote on steroids... press one virtual "watch TV" button to turn on TV, set-top box, and receiver and show you a beautiful program guide on the tablet's screen, with links to program websites, etc.
 
if they do end up making this, they better have an SD slot. a big reason for a tablet would be for travel and what do people do when they travel? they take pictures. so it would only make sense to have an SD slot.
 
I know that many regard this as fanboy fantasy, but THIS would be killer:


- zombitronic *nailed* it! :D

allow for 1TB drive, 6GB ram, discrete graphics (upgradable) and higher than 96dpi and I'd shell out a couple grand without thinking twice.

It would put wacom out of business

I doubt it, since it would cost about $4,000.
 
That said, when are consumer electronics companies going to join the 21st century and start integrating Bluetooth/Wifi into their products (televisions, receivers) so we can start using devices like the iPhone/iPod as remotes?

The whole home automation thing starts to break down when IR is still essential to the mix.

Amen. I've been trying to tidy up the mess of remote controls on my coffee table (to match the mess under my TV), and it's impossible. Every universal remote misses some or other feature so just adds to the clutter.

What's needed is adoption of Bluetooth or Wifi, and a standard protocol (so "Play" means play for any device etc.). If Apple chose to, they could be the ones to start pushing a standard onto the industry with this tablet.

Obviously the AppleTV connection would be WiFi so it works throughout most of the house, but I'm thinking of all those other infrared-controlled devices such as your TV, set-top box, DVD player, Dolby 5.1 receiver, HDMI switcher, etc. Think Logitech Harmony remote on steroids... press one virtual "watch TV" button to turn on TV, set-top box, and receiver and show you a beautiful program guide on the tablet's screen, with links to program websites, etc.

You're right. I wonder though, IR remotes are very much cheap commodities these days, I don't know if Apple would enter that area unless they could differentiate themselves and dominate the market. Knowing Apple, they'd say "use Wifi, or else.." and let everyone follow them. ;)


Interesting, but I don't think Apple would introduce a premium store then limit it to just the tablet - they'd want as many as possible using it.
 
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