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Good thought. The problem with the Google cloud is something I've been thinking about. I find it very doubtful that people who do creative work for a living, such as writers, for example, would trust their intellectual property to a server. Certainly Google would be mining that material for data and advertising purposes, and if Google can get in for those reasons, some hacker could also, for malevolent reasons. I would hate to work for 3 years on a novel to find it's been published by someone else who stole it. Apple has always had a strong audience of creative workers, and while I'm sure Apple realizes some value in cloud computing (mobile me), it also realizes that some people would place a greater value on data security.

On your point (3), though, I think the lines on performance are starting to blur. Google Docs, for example, is perfectly fine for writing a letter or even a short paper, although I still find I need native Word or Open Office for things like legal documents, which require more precise formatting and are a bit long. But that distinction is being eroded by advances in connection speed and the sophistication of AJAX and other tools.

Anyway, interesting post.

Thanks. The reason I was thinking about alternatives to the cloud is because I was peripherally involved with a document management product for laywers/law firms that would make all their documents from all their files available to them where ever needed. Lawyers are desperate for good systems that do this. They have tons (sometimes almost literally) of documents that they may need at a moment's notice: in a hearing, at a deposition, stuck in traffic driving back from court but negotiating on the phone, etc. So they are very receptive to a system that can make this happen.

However, they are just not comfortable with the idea of their documents existing in the cloud. It just freaks them out. This is understandable because the stakes for them can be very, very high.

You mention creative people and I know lawyers don't trust the cloud. I know the company I currently work for would never trust Google docs or any external entity to host our information. I guess it might be that no one with important data is comfortable with it being stored in the cloud. At least not today.

My personal guess is that the cloud will prove itself over time and that people and companies will come to understand and be comfortable with its risks. But I think this will take time and there will doubtless be painful lessons to learn along the way.

People and companies trust other companies with their money so it stands to reason that they could trust one with their information as well. We trust banks with our money, though, because they are regulated, audited, insured and have reputations to protect. Standards of practice have been developing over decades (well, centuries, really).

It may be a long time before "information banks" can achieve this level of trust.
 
didn't apple publish a patent a while back for a screen that can be used to scan things as well as view things? I remember seeing something about holding the newspaper to the front of it (like you would with a photocopier) and it instantly digitizes it. I think it works on the concept that every pixel is a tiny camera. This would be killer, no?
 
Maybe the iTunes Newsstand will also have subscription based and/or free selections. For instance magazines - People, Time, Sports Illustrated, High Times, etc..... Also daily newspapers - WSJ, NYT, IBD, USA Today, Guardian, etc....

So the form factor of the device makes it just a bit easier to read these things "in passing" - ie. on the bus or train commute to work/school, at the park or beach, on your lunch break outside and away from your desk computer, etc.... Basically, instances where opening a laptop could be more cumbersome for the task that you want to do at that time and a phone size screen/browser too much work to navigate for the task.
 
Could it out-computer a computer (or at least a netbook)?

It won't be just a 'tablet', or a big iPod Touch. A bigger iPod Touch in itself is not enough, that by itself doesn't add anything you can't already do on an iPod Touch or iPhone. It will basically be a computer that runs on the Touch OS.

I think they want to develop something that addresses the needs and desires of netbook users/potential buyers, but without the overhead of a full desktop operating system. Take that saved overhead, and put it into snappier performance and better design/user experience (and a little bit for Apple's profit margin.) Because if you look at the majority of netbook users, you're mainly looking at web, email, and light productivity work- does that require a full desktop OS? No. You can really address most potential netbook users with a Touch OS-based device, and gain some nice advantages in the process.

Let's say they add an even faster processor with that ~10" display, with video hardware capable of at least 720p as well. It runs slightly modified Touch OS (and runs it REALLY fast) with some extras. Some sort of iWork type suite, as well as enhanced iLife type apps. And a built-in keyboard, or perhaps a keyboard attachment that can connect or be disconnected from the tablet. And failing that, at least bluetooth keyboard support. Also throw in some sort of synchronization of files with your regular Mac Windows PC, and an iSight camera with iChat. It's Touch OS-based, but is designed to give almost desktop functionality. Any sort of specialized device for movies, digital music albums, home media centers, etc. is not enough- those are niche applications- solutions in search of a real customer base. Computers are Swiss knives, and they sell in the many millions. And this will be a really, really sharp Swiss knife.

So now it does not fit in a pocket, but neither does a netbook or small notebook and those sell pretty well. And the hardware will run very well because even though its souped up compared to an iPod Touch or iPhone 3GS, it doesn't have the overhead of a Windows or Mac OSX.

So basically, this is a device that does what netbooks are used for, but is not a netbook. The big thing here is price- can they do something like this for under $600? Anything more and most people will just pick a real notebook/netbook computer. The new 32GB iPod Touch will probably be $299 or $349, so maybe they can intro a 16GB tablet for $449 and a 32GB version for $549. You might be able to buy a netbook for cheaper, but keep in mind this device is designed to be a big improvement over the netbook experience (for 80-90% of netbook users.)
I've said things very similar to this before. Especially the overhead of a desktop OS (you addressed both consequences of that) and iLife/iWork. iLife and iWork (as well as additional OS features like multitasking and split-screen/windowed views) would work well on the larger display. For the price, back when it was rumored to be about 5.5", I thought it would be about $100 more expensive than an equivalent capacity iPod touch (or more if it had additional features). With a larger rumored display size and speculation of more powerful components, I'd say $200~$300 more.

One day, all Apple products will be running the iPhone OS and all applications will be purchased from the App Store (ie iTunes).
I've had this thought for some time, and this seems likely to happen. I do see iPhone OS and Mac OS X coexisting for a long time though. Maybe iPhone OS devices will fill up more of Apple's product line while the Macs stay at the higher end.
 
I was hoping for more of a tablet that is geared toward free hand drawing and the likes, but it sounds more and more like a big sized iPod Touch/iPhone. Which brings up very good points that you all brought up in saying that it must have something that would make it worthy of buying. If people want to carry around something too big to put in their pocket, they'd probably spring for a macbook or macbook pro. And if they wanted something pocket sized, they'd go for the iPod tough/iPhone. If this is like a macbook pro but with a tablet form factor and stuff then it'd be cool to me, but that seems like wishful thinking and hoping. I do realize that they have off screen tablets though, so it wouldn't be the end of the world of this product wasn't for me. lol I'll probably end up with a MBP next year + a Wacom tablet.

I don't see any reason that it couldn't be used for freehand drawing, handwriting. There are a couple of these programs available for the iPhone-- Sketches, for one.

For added precision over a finger, you might want to use a stylus, where needed. :eek:

Currently, the touch recognition drivers are set to detect a certain area size as a touch and reject anything smaller as noise. These could be rewritten to detect that a stylus is being used, and recognize a smaller are as a stylus touch.

I have been playing around with several versions of homemade styli*.

With the current drivers, the smallest area that gets recognized is about 1/4 inch. That means the stylus tip has to have a pad on the tip with a 1/4 inch radius circle. Also, the entire pad (tip) has to touch the screen to register-- part of the stylus tip must be flexible so the pad remains flat on the surface, regardless of the angle of the stylus to the surface.

The above are well within the capability of the human finger(s).

Even with a 1/4 inch tip the stylus allows a lot more precision, as less of the surface is blocked by the stylus than would be with your finger.

In summary, a quality stylus with flexible tip, using more precise drivers, would allow good quality freehand drawing.

You could touch a button and zoom the display for more precise drawing.

With a depressible tip and BT, you could even have pressure-sensitive brushes.

Software could recognize (and smooth and straighten) shapes or printed letters-- lots of possibilities here.

Dick

*homemade styli:

1) roll up some aluminum foil, tightly around the barrel of a pen or pencil, so the foil extends beyond the end(s) of the pen/pencil.

2) mash down or fold over the excess foil on the end(s) of the pencil so you form a continuous conductive surface that covers the pencil, the tip and eraser

3) tape the foil in place. I used masking tape and covered the entire (barrel) surface of the foil

4) Stick a thumbtack or brass paper fastener through the mashed/folded foil on the tip and squeeze the foil around it to hold it in place and make good conductive contact

5) Alternately, wad up one end of the excess foil to form a smooth, flat surface at least 1/4 inch diameter. This will be the tip/pad.

What makes this all work is that the electricity in your hand is conducted through the tape and foil down to the tip where it registers a sufficient size touch.
 
This is what I think should be in The Tablet.

Killer OS: Whether a better iPhone OS, or 10.6
Awesome Stylus: Aluminum with a white light ring. One that can come out of the tablet with a push of a button. and merges back in seamlessly.
Small Size: Face it, Apple is famous for being able to pack tons of power into small machines... I want a netbook sized one.
 
I say if they can get an appstore for a fully-functional operating system that would be amazing on its own, being able to have tons of applications in one place would definitely be a killer feature. I would also love to see it work with your speakers, tv, and other computers seamlessly. Being able to save apps to your macbook, transfer movies to a network hard-drive and having it work like a jukebox all with an iTunes module would be awesome.
 
September 2009 or February 2010?

when do we expect to see this? i assume they will announce it at the next keynote, which is when?
September iPod refresh event - one more thing...

OR

Thursday February 11, 2010 MacWorld Expo - with no booth? :confused:
 
View iPhotos?

"So the question remains, what added value has Apple decided it can provide in a tablet device that its competitors have been unable to offer? "

For me, I want to view my iphotos on the devise fro my home network.
 
For me, it would be that it had the ability to control everything in my house. I hate having so many remote controls to control 1 thing. I surprised there isn't a app on the iphone for that yet!

Plus be easy to carry, have the option to type or write, have wifi nation wide, great batterie life, at least under 10 pounds, scratch resistant, and be in a good price range!
 
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IMHO there are a few nimrods posting here. It WILL run iPhone osx (or a close derivative) and not Mac osx. This will include virtually ALL the software desires here, such as ebooks, streaming video ala atv, remote controls, and anything else for which there is an app.

The one feature which has been witheld up to now is one I've wished for on iPhone since day one. Namely, an external keyboard has been witheld by apple specifically so you'll buy the tablet. That, and multitasking.
 
so...

after wading through a massive 22 pages of replies to this, this is what i think:

1) it will NOT have the iphone OS. Who really wants just a big ipod touch? i know i don't! if i'm going to be buying this, it has to have Snow Leopard on the thing, witch multi-touch gestures built deeply into the OS. all signs point to the full snow leopard being on it, and not the Iphone OS.

2) Some of the things you guys are asking for out of this tablet is amazing! you want it to have gps, 3g/4g connectivity, a camera (Some have even asked for 2), a flexible screen?!. if this ends up coming out (which i am sure it will), this is what i think it will have

a) a front facing camera

b) a bluetooth keyboard, most likely bought separately, and some amazing implementation of a hand recognition, or some amazing keyboard that lets you rest your palms on the touch-pad without it recognizing it. Voice recognition is most likely a no-go.

c) it WILL have snow leopard on it, and it WILL be able to run all applications that currently can run on a mac.

d) apple will release a premium store for the tablet, but will also allow iphone apps to be run on the tablet (obviously not as good quality though)

e) i think it will have an optical drive! call me crazy, but if this thing is media driven, why wouldn't it be?! some people say try taking your macbook pro and violently shake it while watching a movie.... why the heck would you be violently shaking a screen while watching a movie in the first place? you wouldn't even be able to see the screen and the movie at some point...

f) iTunes will also have a new category for books, and will allow amazon ebooks to run on it.

g) are we really going back to a stylus? they most likely will make one, and sell it through apple.com, but it will NOT have a stylus packaged up with it.

h) a stand is likely, some sort of docking station that you can connect a keyboard to, and use a mouse (bluetooth or usb)

i) speaking of usb, it will have 2 usb cables, a charger (not a 30 pin connector) and most other things that come on a normal computer!

i believe in apple a lot, and i do think that they will do all of this for about the initial price of a macbook air - 1499, down to 1199. somewhere in that range seems reasonable to me. if this has all of the features listed above, i seriously will be the first in line to get the thing. Knowing steve, and how he doesn't half ass anything when it comes to apple, i am sure this will end up being one of the most sexy amazing computers that will eventually pull us away from using desktop, and laptop computers, and pull us into the touchscreen age! :D
 
after wading through a massive 22 pages of replies to this, this is what i think:

1) it will NOT have the iphone OS. Who really wants just a big ipod touch? i know i don't! if i'm going to be buying this, it has to have Snow Leopard on the thing, witch multi-touch gestures built deeply into the OS. all signs point to the full snow leopard being on it, and not the Iphone OS.

2) Some of the things you guys are asking for out of this tablet is amazing! you want it to have gps, 3g/4g connectivity, a camera (Some have even asked for 2), a flexible screen?!. if this ends up coming out (which i am sure it will), this is what i think it will have

a) a front facing camera

b) a bluetooth keyboard, most likely bought separately, and some amazing implementation of a hand recognition, or some amazing keyboard that lets you rest your palms on the touch-pad without it recognizing it. Voice recognition is most likely a no-go.

c) it WILL have snow leopard on it, and it WILL be able to run all applications that currently can run on a mac.

d) apple will release a premium store for the tablet, but will also allow iphone apps to be run on the tablet (obviously not as good quality though)

e) i think it will have an optical drive! call me crazy, but if this thing is media driven, why wouldn't it be?! some people say try taking your macbook pro and violently shake it while watching a movie.... why the heck would you be violently shaking a screen while watching a movie in the first place? you wouldn't even be able to see the screen and the movie at some point...

f) iTunes will also have a new category for books, and will allow amazon ebooks to run on it.

g) are we really going back to a stylus? they most likely will make one, and sell it through apple.com, but it will NOT have a stylus packaged up with it.

h) a stand is likely, some sort of docking station that you can connect a keyboard to, and use a mouse (bluetooth or usb)

i) speaking of usb, it will have 2 usb cables, a charger (not a 30 pin connector) and most other things that come on a normal computer!

i believe in apple a lot, and i do think that they will do all of this for about the initial price of a macbook air - 1499, down to 1199. somewhere in that range seems reasonable to me. if this has all of the features listed above, i seriously will be the first in line to get the thing. Knowing steve, and how he doesn't half ass anything when it comes to apple, i am sure this will end up being one of the most sexy amazing computers that will eventually pull us away from using desktop, and laptop computers, and pull us into the touchscreen age! :D

I diagree with some of the things you said especially about the optical drive. It's clear Apple wants to get rid of it a la Macbook Air. It'll hurt battery life and add unecessary thickness to the device.

The main question is what OS it will run? If they put a modified version iPhone OS on it I will be disappointed. I don't want another device that is locked onto the App Store. I'd want a way to install apps outside of it. If it was a touch version of OSX then I'd be interested.

It seems that OSX for the Mac has lagged in development since the iphone's introduction and I do think that a tablet like device is the future of OSX. If the future of Apple is to have a locked down platform with the only way to install apps is through the App Store I want no part of it. I will ditch the Mac for an open ecosystem.
 
It seems that OSX for the Mac has lagged in development since the iphone's introduction and I do think that a tablet like device is the future of OSX. If the future of Apple is to have a locked down platform with the only way to install apps is through the App Store I want no part of it. I will ditch the Mac for an open ecosystem.

OS X for the Mac hasn't really lagged in development since the iPhone's introduction; it's only been two years, remember, and we've had a whole new version since. They've been hard at work on Snow Leopard most of that time as well, and despite the fact that it doesn't have a whole lot of new features, that's the biggest re-write since OS X 10.0.

It's a much leaner, less bloated OS as well, and the motivation for that didn't hit me until now. With 1 TB hard drives as cheap as dirt, and computers getting faster and faster all the time, why slim down the OS so drastically? Well: the tablet! Duh! *Slaps his forehead*

Snow Leopard is also much more modular than previous versions; I've been laughed off the board everywhere else I said this, but I think the main reason they acquired PA Semi was to design hardware accelerators for all the Core functions to speed up their execution enormously. This will give Macs a performance that no Windows computer can think of matching, and make the tablet just as fast as anybody's laptop. Core Audio, Core Video, Core Animation, all running in custom-designed hardware.
 
I think the main reason they acquired PA Semi was to design hardware accelerators for all the Core functions to speed up their execution enormously. This will give Macs a performance that no Windows computer can think of matching, and make the tablet just as fast as anybody's laptop. Core Audio, Core Video, Core Animation, all running in custom-designed hardware.

I like the way you think.
 
I diagree with some of the things you said especially about the optical drive. It's clear Apple wants to get rid of it a la Macbook Air. It'll hurt battery life and add unecessary thickness to the device.

The main question is what OS it will run? If they put a modified version iPhone OS on it I will be disappointed. I don't want another device that is locked onto the App Store. I'd want a way to install apps outside of it. If it was a touch version of OSX then I'd be interested.

It seems that OSX for the Mac has lagged in development since the iphone's introduction and I do think that a tablet like device is the future of OSX. If the future of Apple is to have a locked down platform with the only way to install apps is through the App Store I want no part of it. I will ditch the Mac for an open ecosystem.

but they sell the optical drive as an accessory anyways, you would need it to update operating systems also! i do think if it is media based, why would you exclude all dvd movies the consumer already owns, so they can all go and buy them off of itunes. if they do not have an optical drive i have a feeling some people will be kind of ticked. if it does not come with it, you can count of the first thing i'm buying for it is this:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB397G/A?n=cd_dvd&fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&mco=MjE0NzQzMQ&s=topSellers

but i do fully agree with the app-store comment. thats why i said it runs snow leopard, and has all the features of snow leopard, but also has an app store for games and other apps that are meant to specifically take advantage of the tablet's unique features.
 
I say if it looks like this, ill get one regardless of the killer feature.
 

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OS X for the Mac hasn't really lagged in development since the iPhone's introduction; it's only been two years, remember, and we've had a whole new version since. They've been hard at work on Snow Leopard most of that time as well, and despite the fact that it doesn't have a whole lot of new features, that's the biggest re-write since OS X 10.0.

It's a much leaner, less bloated OS as well, and the motivation for that didn't hit me until now. With 1 TB hard drives as cheap as dirt, and computers getting faster and faster all the time, why slim down the OS so drastically? Well: the tablet! Duh! *Slaps his forehead*

Snow Leopard is also much more modular than previous versions; I've been laughed off the board everywhere else I said this, but I think the main reason they acquired PA Semi was to design hardware accelerators for all the Core functions to speed up their execution enormously. This will give Macs a performance that no Windows computer can think of matching, and make the tablet just as fast as anybody's laptop. Core Audio, Core Video, Core Animation, all running in custom-designed hardware.

I think it has lagged. It's known that Apple took people off Leopard for iPhone development. Look at how Microsoft has caught up to OSX. It is still the better OS but the differences between XP and OSX was huge. Now Windows and OSX are almost in a similar development cycle. Both right now are concentrating on speed improvments and 64bit. Look at multitouch on the Macs. There hasn't been any improvement in the features of the trackpad. Not only that but there hasn't been any way for desktops to take advantage of the multitouch features.

You can't possibly say that Mac development has kept up. They are now creating their 3rd different OS (really 4 if you count the Apple TV). it's impossible for a company as small as Apple to have enough software people to keep all projects moving at a steady pace of development.

It's true that PA Semi may help out but even they are scattered across the three platforms and mostly involved in hardware.
 
but they sell the optical drive as an accessory anyways, you would need it to update operating systems also! i do think if it is media based, why would you exclude all dvd movies the consumer already owns, so they can all go and buy them off of itunes. if they do not have an optical drive i have a feeling some people will be kind of ticked. if it does not come with it, you can count of the first thing i'm buying for it is this:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB397G/A?n=cd_dvd&fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&mco=MjE0NzQzMQ&s=topSellers

but i do fully agree with the app-store comment. thats why i said it runs snow leopard, and has all the features of snow leopard, but also has an app store for games and other apps that are meant to specifically take advantage of the tablet's unique features.

You may be able to use the Air accessory but it won't be internal. Apple loves thin and a DVD drive gets in the way. Also Apple has a way of getting rid of technology earlier than it dies out.

I hope you're right about it running Snow Leopard. I get the feeling that Apple likes the way the App Store is even though others are having problems with it. If this tablet is running a modified version of th iPhone OS and is exclusively tied to a carrier, get ready for a world of hurt.
 
OS X for the Mac hasn't really lagged in development since the iPhone's introduction; it's only been two years, remember, and we've had a whole new version since. They've been hard at work on Snow Leopard most of that time as well, and despite the fact that it doesn't have a whole lot of new features, that's the biggest re-write since OS X 10.0.

It's a much leaner, less bloated OS as well, and the motivation for that didn't hit me until now. With 1 TB hard drives as cheap as dirt, and computers getting faster and faster all the time, why slim down the OS so drastically? Well: the tablet! Duh! *Slaps his forehead*

Snow Leopard is also much more modular than previous versions; I've been laughed off the board everywhere else I said this, but I think the main reason they acquired PA Semi was to design hardware accelerators for all the Core functions to speed up their execution enormously. This will give Macs a performance that no Windows computer can think of matching, and make the tablet just as fast as anybody's laptop. Core Audio, Core Video, Core Animation, all running in custom-designed hardware.

Also why go add LLVM to the complier stream and yet drop PPC.
It would seem so a light weight device could be either ARM or x86.
Maybe we'll see Mac's with both in the future as well.
 
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