What will happen if Apple does NOT announce the G5?
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strider42
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Re: Re: What will happen if Apple does NOT announce the G5?
Its nearly impossible that panther will be a 64 bit OS. If the 970 comes out, it will assuredly only be on the powermacs. That represents only a portio of their sales. If its a 64 bit OS, it would only run a 64 bit processor. That means it wouldn't run on the iMacs, iBooks, or powerbooks. Whats more, it wouldn't run on any machine produced earlier. Basically it would be an OS that runs on maybe 25% of the machines that would be want to run it. Does that sound like good business. What does apple do about the rest of their product line, even if they did totally abandon older (even slightly older) machines. Its absolutely unfeasible for panther to be a 64 bit OS. Its possible it could have some 64 bit optimizations, but its going to run ont he rest of product line.
A 64 bit OS requires a 64 bit processor. a 64 bit processor does not require a 64 bit OS when its backwards compatible with 32 bit.
Its nearly impossible that panther will be a 64 bit OS. If the 970 comes out, it will assuredly only be on the powermacs. That represents only a portio of their sales. If its a 64 bit OS, it would only run a 64 bit processor. That means it wouldn't run on the iMacs, iBooks, or powerbooks. Whats more, it wouldn't run on any machine produced earlier. Basically it would be an OS that runs on maybe 25% of the machines that would be want to run it. Does that sound like good business. What does apple do about the rest of their product line, even if they did totally abandon older (even slightly older) machines. Its absolutely unfeasible for panther to be a 64 bit OS. Its possible it could have some 64 bit optimizations, but its going to run ont he rest of product line.
A 64 bit OS requires a 64 bit processor. a 64 bit processor does not require a 64 bit OS when its backwards compatible with 32 bit.
Dale Sorel
macrumors 6502a
What will happen if Apple does NOT announce the G5?
I think I'll just freakin' explode
I think I'll just freakin' explode
Abstract
macrumors Penryn
The 970 will be announced during MMNY, not WWDC. During WWDC, they'll tell us that there is going to be something BIG for MMNY, and this will be the 970. They'll announce Panther during WWDC, but the 970 PM and possibly new 970 PB's during MMNY. The 15" PB needs a refresher.
During WWDC, they'll tell us that there is going to be something BIG for MMNY, and this will be the 970. They'll announce Panther during WWDC, but the 970 PM and possibly new 970 PB's during MMNY. The 15" PB needs a refresher. 
matthew24
macrumors 6502
It will come
I did get to know Apple as a company that allways has been working extremely hard to meet the expectations of its custumors. I am sure that they are working on the 970 but don't forget, the system is a complete overhaul of its logic design, which could take some extra time. So be a little patient, I prefer a little extra time above compromise.
I did get to know Apple as a company that allways has been working extremely hard to meet the expectations of its custumors. I am sure that they are working on the 970 but don't forget, the system is a complete overhaul of its logic design, which could take some extra time. So be a little patient, I prefer a little extra time above compromise.
hvfsl
macrumors 68000
While there is no technical reason why Apple can't use the PPC970, history is full of people and companies making very stupid decisions. The recent MacWorld UK even said that Apple can be a very unpredictable company.
Apple has said that they are going to release something 'very soon' to address the lack of speed in the pro range, so that means Apple is going to release faster Macs. But these Macs could be:
-AMD or Intel x86 chips. If Apple used these then they would never be behind PCs in terms of speed again. Apple could be it so that only Apple x86 hardware could run Mac OS. Of course this will create the problem of apps being moved to a new platform. This option would also in the long run bring more developers to the Mac since it would be easier to port apps from windows.
-The PPC970 seems the most likely but Apple may be woried if IBM can not keep up the speed of the chip, this speed problem might happen all over again.
-Keep using Moto chips. This is the most unlikely option but Apple could use the upcoming 1.6Ghz chips, but use 4 of them.
-Use Intel/AMD powerpc chips. Apple could of course have struck a deal with AMD or Intel to make PowerPC chips for Apple. Intel is a much bigger chip company than IBM so it would have more resources to spend on the PowerPC. Also Intel or AMD might be able to also use the PowerPC chips to replace their server chips so they get something out of the deal.
So Apple IS going to do something, but what that something could be is anyones guess. What makes me think they are not going PPC970 is that IBM is advertising that the chip will work in Apples Macs, it seems like they are saying that Apple should buy thier chips, not that Apple is already using IBM chips.
Apple has said that they are going to release something 'very soon' to address the lack of speed in the pro range, so that means Apple is going to release faster Macs. But these Macs could be:
-AMD or Intel x86 chips. If Apple used these then they would never be behind PCs in terms of speed again. Apple could be it so that only Apple x86 hardware could run Mac OS. Of course this will create the problem of apps being moved to a new platform. This option would also in the long run bring more developers to the Mac since it would be easier to port apps from windows.
-The PPC970 seems the most likely but Apple may be woried if IBM can not keep up the speed of the chip, this speed problem might happen all over again.
-Keep using Moto chips. This is the most unlikely option but Apple could use the upcoming 1.6Ghz chips, but use 4 of them.
-Use Intel/AMD powerpc chips. Apple could of course have struck a deal with AMD or Intel to make PowerPC chips for Apple. Intel is a much bigger chip company than IBM so it would have more resources to spend on the PowerPC. Also Intel or AMD might be able to also use the PowerPC chips to replace their server chips so they get something out of the deal.
So Apple IS going to do something, but what that something could be is anyones guess. What makes me think they are not going PPC970 is that IBM is advertising that the chip will work in Apples Macs, it seems like they are saying that Apple should buy thier chips, not that Apple is already using IBM chips.
maradong
macrumors 65816
my opinion as well.Originally posted by Abstract
The 970 will be announced during MMNY, not WWDC.
it might just be to early for the 970 s chip to run stable during the demonstration. 64 bit computing is a big bunch of work as well for the hardware people as for the software people. Give them the time to do it well. Because we all know that if they will release it it will be ready, not like on peeeceees where everything is not that kind of stable with the opertons and so on..
Mr. Anderson
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Originally posted by Abstract
The 970 will be announced during MMNY, not WWDC.
That would be about as bad as not announcing it. Its been a long time coming, everyone knows the Mac is in serious need of an update. They'll have to offer something other than promises....it would be way to costly otherwise.
And the keynote would be a sad day indeed if it were to happen....
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MacsRgr8
macrumors G3
Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
That would be about as bad as not announcing it. Its been a long time coming, everyone knows the Mac is in serious need of an update. They'll have to offer something other than promises....it would be way to costly otherwise.
And the keynote would be a sad day indeed if it were to happen....
D
I agree with this.
I'm afraid that if Apple isn't able to announce the G5 on the 23rd, there will be such negative publicity.
Everyone knows that Apple's hardware is behind PC's, ever since Moto was stuck @ 500 Mhz.
"We" are expecting/hoping somekind of G5 (Moto 8500, or something else) ever since last year's MWSF. This time everyone is talking about the 970 being Apple's new 64 bit CPU, which will at least level Apple with the Wintel world, speedwize (OS-wize we are by far in the lead anyway
).Letting another major Apple-event go by without this crucial introduction, just could be going one event too far. People are tired of waiting... Even Pixar (remember?)
No 970 then what?
It will get expensive if the 970 does not arrive. As low cost as PC's are there is still all that software to replace... expensive.
It will be time to decide, do we cut the line or keep dragging this anchor.
For two years or so we have been getting dribbles of 20...30% more speed to the point where a dual what ever Mac sucks hind tit to a single Pentium toaster in a Photoshop bake off. Time is money for the graphics folks... that can't go on for long.
Sounds like Micro$oft is getting ready to cut the cord on Office as soon as the dust clears from cutting internet explorer loose.
What market will Mac have left to sell into with compatibility of documents gone and speed of graphics gone?
The computing industry is creating boat anchors everytime a faster machine is brought to market. There has to be a smaller and smaller market for Mac's that are relatively becoming slower and slower as performance of other machines improves.
If there isn't a 970 on the 23rd it might be a good time sell Apple short.
It will get expensive if the 970 does not arrive. As low cost as PC's are there is still all that software to replace... expensive.
It will be time to decide, do we cut the line or keep dragging this anchor.
For two years or so we have been getting dribbles of 20...30% more speed to the point where a dual what ever Mac sucks hind tit to a single Pentium toaster in a Photoshop bake off. Time is money for the graphics folks... that can't go on for long.
Sounds like Micro$oft is getting ready to cut the cord on Office as soon as the dust clears from cutting internet explorer loose.
What market will Mac have left to sell into with compatibility of documents gone and speed of graphics gone?
The computing industry is creating boat anchors everytime a faster machine is brought to market. There has to be a smaller and smaller market for Mac's that are relatively becoming slower and slower as performance of other machines improves.
If there isn't a 970 on the 23rd it might be a good time sell Apple short.
MacBoyX
macrumors 6502
Re: No 970 then what?
What have you been SMOKING?
There's no way on earth Microsoft is dropping Office. It makes them plenty of money. The IE thing is because MS is doing the same to the Windows Version.
There will be no version of IE released standalone anymore. It will simply be integrated into the OS.
MS will not drop Office any time soon.
What have you been SMOKING?
There's no way on earth Microsoft is dropping Office. It makes them plenty of money. The IE thing is because MS is doing the same to the Windows Version.
There will be no version of IE released standalone anymore. It will simply be integrated into the OS.
MS will not drop Office any time soon.
prewwii:
This would quickly lead to Apple creating a compeditor to Office, probably based on Open Office or similar (as OSX is based on free stuff, and Safari is based on free stuff). Microsoft's monopoly position in the corporate world probably rests as much on Office as it does on Windows and if Apple generates a credible alternative, well then thats bad. Espectially if Apple ended up contributing back to a free project and strengthening Linux in the process.
Abstract
macrumors Penryn
Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
That would be about as bad as not announcing it. Its been a long time coming, everyone knows the Mac is in serious need of an update. They'll have to offer something other than promises....it would be way to costly otherwise.
And the keynote would be a sad day indeed if it were to happen....
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All I meant is that SJ has to announce SOMETHING at MWNY, and the 970 would make perfect sense.
MWNY isn't too far away, y'know. Just a month.
solvs
macrumors 603
Originally posted by Abstract
All I meant is that SJ has to announce SOMETHING at MWNY, and the 970 would make perfect sense.
I was under the impression that Steve wouldn't be making a keynote address at MWNY in July. There's a September show and a January show (possibly). Do we know yet if SJ is keynoting those?
Here's hoping the 970 is at least announced in something. And that Pather has a 64-bit compatiblilty (it can still be installed on older chips, the software with the new machines will probably be optimised). If not now, when?
Dont Hurt Me
macrumors 603
How do you come out and say here is our 64 bit OS but have no 64 bit capable machines to show it? Answer you dont.
Abstract
macrumors Penryn
Well, the VP of hardware is in charge of announcing something new concerning hardware, but yeah, SJ would never let the honour of announcing the 970's go to someone other than himself.
I wonder what the VP will announce? New updated Powerbooks? Its due for an update, especially the 15". Yeah, thats got to be it.
mactastic
macrumors 68040
Steve Jobs is giving the keynote right? In a room full of people who know darn well that apple needs new processors in the worst way. He won't make it out in one piece if he doesn't come up with some 970 Powermacs. I personally don't think SJ would risk his hide like this without knowing he could produce the goods. I don't know if that means we will be able to go buy 970 PM's right away, but shortly thereafter is what I think. If he says anything over six weeks, he'll probably want to duck right away.