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I just got a new MBP 15" in March and had it bumped up to the max on memory and processor. I am tired of thin and wanted a machine to get me through this obsession with thin and connectivity changes. This baby should last me 5 years plus and I love it!!!!
 
You have completely misunderstood the thing.

I don't care whether Apple is around or not. I care whether the products I want are around or not. I'm not happy to see the products I want discontinued.

The company has no value to me unless it's making a product I want.

Think about it this way: Imagine that next year Apple said "well we've been really frustrated with the operating system thing for a while, so we're switching to Windows, we're just gonna make really amazing super-thin laptops now, and let Microsoft deal with the code hassle".

Would you be happy? Would you still want these laptops more than any competitors? I sure wouldn't.
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They added rumble.

And, here's the kicker: The same people who had been talking about how stupid rumble was, and how they didn't want it, all rushed to post receipts for their international shipping orders of the first few dualshock 3 controllers from Japan.
I remember that well! I was one of those that said rumble was important to the gaming experience while people screamed at me about how a multi billion dollar company knew better than me. The rhetoric was the typical "psh. I think you need to be more forward thinking than that. Sony has been in the industry for a long time. They know what they're doing" only for Sony to backtrack and reintroduce rumble.

Same situation applies today. Because Apple has been on a roll everybody figures apple knows best. We are so used to being marketed to and being willing consumers ready to give up our hard earned money. Things are changing. And apple is just a company full of human beings just as flawed as us. They are making mistakes that are inexcusable and they need to be held accountable for that
 
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I dunno I'm pretty easygoing and have waited a couple of years for this update and it's exactly what I was hoping for so I'm good with it. All.
 
I travel a lot doing presentations (and photography) and it would have been ideal to have some legacy ports along side the new TB3 USB-C... a USB-A, TB2/MDP, HDMI, and SD. As it stands, I need 4 dongles.
 
I know people keep posting this over and over. I think its because people like drama. They like to see failure because it somehow makes their life seem better.

Apple isn't going anywhere. They are super successful. They are the model on what to do right. When we are dead. In my case about 40 years (fingers crossed) they will still be around even if its operating off their insane cash reserves.

Also said about Nokia, Blackberry, U.S. Steel and Sears. Apple spent $10B on R&D last year. Tim Cook responded to critics by saying that the 2015/16 product pipeline was unbelievable. I'm happy with the iPhone 7 as an incremental update. But look at the entire Apple product portfolio. Heck, look the MacRumors purchase advice pages. This is your model of how to manage a successful product line?
 
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Annual updates for every Mac model (Macbook, Air, Pro, Mac Mini, Mac Pro, iMac). If this year's model disappointed, at least you know there's a chance of them correcting the issues within a year. No more waiting for years for a minor spec bump.

Limit the design trend of form over function to the consumer Macs. Differentiate the Pro line by prioritizing functionality (including built-in connectivity and expansion options) over thinness. Converging the lines hurts the more casual consumers by forcing them into pricier hardware while it also hurts the professionals by compromising the features they need.

These two things would make me happy. Little things like lowering the price of dongles for a limited period of time doesn't quite cut it. The current problems are too entrenched and need fundamental changes in how they treat the Mac product line in order to fix them.
 
Since they're focused on iOS for touch, then I'd like to see it integrated more into macOS. Leveraging iOS is key. I would think it's more crucial they switch to USB-C for iOS. It's a bigger issue then what this Macbook pro didn't get.

Bottom line, apple pencil works great. It needs to work with Macs somehow. Apple needs to get it done.
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I think Craig is great. They should always have him front and center. Even in interviews He is realistic.

What makes him great is aside from being funny He sucks at lying.

Yep, hearing Tim or Phil talk is a waste of time because they talk so much nonsense that their credibility is shot. Craig just seems excited. There's no marketing bs from him.
 
Very interesting discussions! What seems most apparent to after reading through the responses is that people are most upset with the hardware, the price component is a secondary reason for dislike of the new MacBooks. From what I am seeing, most people would want these new MacBook Pros to be labeled as just MacBooks and for able to more or less retain last years rMBP body with its ports.

So they retain last years rMBP body and ports, add in 2 thunderbolt 3 ports, provide the option for quad cores for the 13" at minimum (dual core plus dGPU would be preferred), retain this years screen tech (would actually make the overall MacBook thinner as the screen assembly itself is about 1mm thinner), keep touch ID, and provide the option for 32GB of ram. Would that be an ideal MacBook Pro for most?
 
I thought apple would release a nice display with integrated gpu and drop all discrete gpus in the macbook pros. I thought the macbook pros would have top of the line laptop cpu, 32/64gb ram, and top of the line integrated graphics. I was ready to pay $5000+ for this laptop and $2000+ for this display. Instead we got a macbook branded as a macbook pro and all hope is lost that apple is still in the performance computer market. I'm going to save my money and get a $2000 pc laptop that blows away the new "macbook pro".
 
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While I would certainly redo the entire chassis and that's been noted elsewhere, as well as liking some of the comments in this thread that have ignored this particular sentence, I'll try to play along:
With the requirement that the MacBooks remain the same as in no hardware changes, what could apple do to make you "happy" or at least neutral about the new MacBooks?

1. 32GB BTO option
2. Price match vs prior year's models, which were already somewhat expensive. They can make noise about TouchBar all they want, but if they expect it to be a true 'standard' in the future, then include it on everything or kill the no-TB options - and don't jump pricing because they chose to add it.
3. Price-sanitize RAM and SSD upgrades sanely. They chose to lock our user upgrades on a 'Pro' system, so don't charge $300 for $50 in parts. Show us some value in actually staying with Apple. Go price out upgrades on a top-end Thinkpad - upgrade prices are cheaper than most could get on their own, and you know Apple buys enough of everything they're not paying anywhere remotely near retail while charging retail+ to customers.
4. Include a reliable multi-port dongle in the box. It's their 'push' for everyone to move, so don't penalize customers who aren't there yet or have a lot of investment in non-USB-C/TB3.

The above would have me going to the new 15" model vs the used 2015 15" I picked up after that uninspired keynote and reveal.

I'll add a pair of others into the mix:
1. Re-using the 'old' 2015 chassis, update the screen (actually, or not) and make a 32GB option available w/CPU and dGPU update. Call it MBP for Business or something not 'sexy' sounding to posers wanting a 'Pro' to browse Facebook. I don't care on it's name - I need it for work.

2. Split out the Product teams clearly:
a. core - core capabilities and designs relevant across all others, e.g. move to USB-C, Lightning, whatever.
b. Consumer - Air and rMB and their replacements. Portability > Battery Life > Performance and ports. rMB keyboard here is fine.
c. Prosumer - 13" macbook and lower end 15" (any/all of which can be renamed, but the mission remains). Power users not necessarily using 12+ hours a day for work or for heavy duty lifting (e.g. a writer is certainly a professional, but does not need heavy computing power nor many special-purpose ports). This one is a blend of the 3 areas above, perhaps equal weighting across all 3 Performance and ports = Portability = Battery Life balance - 'one to do it all/most.' New MB 'Pro' 13" might fit in here...so might the current 15 if it had 2x TB ports, perhaps old screen. People use these systems frequently, typing experience on them is key, lose the rMB keyboard.
d. Professional/Business/whatever - Performance and Ports > Portability > Battery Life.
BTO or ready to buy configured options comparable in the marketplace. Laptops here would start at 16GB RAM and 1TB, no gimping via lower cache CPU option at 'bottom end.' Thermals don't throttle CPU or GPU at multi-hour-long loads - or fix the chassis, don't reduce the performance. Pick your speed, pick your RAM and SSD (within reason), offer an upgrades screen like last gen pre-retina did (matte high res). For the 15" MBP current version, this would equate to preferably the last gen body with current gen internals + option for 32GB and upgrade for higher res or OLED screen. Use the new trackpad. Reduce battery space from the prior gen if it meant improving thermal performance. If 'needing' to use closer to the current chassis, the 15" 1TB 16GB touchbar model is the base model, w/Radeon 460. Stop playing games at $100 each 'bump' for incremental and small GPU bumps already. Include 1 HDMI, SD, 1x USB3. Same good keyboard as prosumer, or minor changes not impacting ability to supply/manage manufacturing well enough.

Note anything in the 'core' team would apply across all, e.g. TouchID could have been done in unison across all lines, or with less delay. How to connect an iPhone 7 to <whatever new Macs/MBs/MBPs> would be universal across the systems.
 
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I have been an enthusiastic Mac user for decades having bought multiple generations of high end 15" MBPs. Normally I would have already pulled the trigger on the new 15" MBP, but now I'm on the fence due to:
- increased pricing
- no MagSafe (it's saved my MBP several times)
- don't mind USB-C only, but Apple could have thrown in a free adapter or two like they did with the iPhone 7 Lightening to 3.3mm jack adapter and perhaps a USB-C cable that has a magnetic release on the cable to make up for no MagSafe

I do like the new style, features, thinness, lightness, & not bothered by moving on from the glowing Apple logo. But mostly because of the price, I'm thinking to keep my old MPB longer and maybe get a PC laptop to install Linux on it for dev work & otherwise rely even more on my iPad. I know the pc laptop won't have MagSafe either but if it's pulled off a table it won't cost nearly as much to replace.
 
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So they retain last years rMBP body and ports, add in 2 thunderbolt 3 ports, provide the option for quad cores for the 13" at minimum (dual core plus dGPU would be preferred), retain this years screen tech (would actually make the overall MacBook thinner as the screen assembly itself is about 1mm thinner), keep touch ID, and provide the option for 32GB of ram. Would that be an ideal MacBook Pro for most?

Pretty close, or at least as much in that I could have bought one vs buying a used 2015 to replace my older MBP.
Note I don't believe Apple could manage quad core 13"s at this point due to CPU offerings, although they might if they stopped the thin-ness fetish and focused on thermal improvements.
 
Pretty close, or at least as much in that I could have bought one vs buying a used 2015 to replace my older MBP.
Note I don't believe Apple could manage quad core 13"s at this point due to CPU offerings, although they might if they stopped the thin-ness fetish and focused on thermal improvements.

If they took one of the HQ skylake chips and configured the TDP down to 35 watts (which intel states is possible without much of a performance hit) then it could be possible in last years chassis with updated cooling.

I would though be more interested in a 15 watt dual core with a ~20 watt dGPU option....
 
I would be completely happy with apple and not ready to get a pc if they rebranded the 12, 13 and 15 as "macbooks". Then they can come out with performance 32gb/64gb gtx1070 laptops that may be thicker and cost a lot more- call those macbook pros, maybe even have 15 and 17". I would even forgive them for killing the mac pro if they had a legit pro laptop.
 
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When has Apple ever provided a 100w+ TDP graphics card in one of their laptops? I think you guys are looking for something that Apple has never built.
 
What would I like to see from Apple? To begin with, a heartfelt apology.

As that seems unlikely I'll settle for actions over words. If that first with soon a few words about their vision for the future of the 'Pro' Macintosh line. As in—now, on reflection—they value it and one can soon expect to see truly professional versions of the Mac Mini, iMac and, most especially, Mac Pro.

Particularly this last. That they will be releasing a new Mac Pro which will set standards every professional will aspire to. And will be updating regularly on an expected schedule. With as well introduced some truly useful software for same.

That for all the revenue the iPhone brings in that the Macintosh remains the heart and soul of Apple, in a sense informing all else. That this entire line deserves to be no less than excellent.

As for the regrettable 2016 MacBook Pro, in 2017 they can clearly delineate the difference between the relatively low cost and portability of a MacBook versus those models with serious horsepower, or the "Pro" line. Reflected not only in their greater cost—as well weight and size—but capability. Or nothing less than what a professional requires in a laptop.

What many likely overlook in Apple's pricing scheme is that inflation marches on, and even retaining the same price on hardware with the exact same specifications from the year before actually reflects a discount. However, it remains a scheme to the extent they ask a premium price for computers downgraded in ports and much else.

2016 will no doubt prove a notable year in Apple's history. With any luck not only remembered for a number of misdeeds and mistakes—but also the year they fundamentally reconsidered their chosen direction.
 
I would want/expect/demand kaby lake quad core in 13", 16gb standard with 32gb CTO option at a fair price like $100 and 512gb base with 1tb upsell for $100, usb-c tb3 x4 ports at full bandwidth and legacy ports and SD slot as well, magsafe while ability/choice to charge via usb-c as well, apple logo glow, a touch screen with pencil support, an a10x chip for running iOS apps within OS X/ ARM option to switch off between x86 and it for OS X all together (separate OS X builds), key travel and butterfly mechanism combo keyboard, an OLED top part of the trackpad not replacement for function keys, that you are able turn off or on, an OLED screen, 1080p front facing camera, true wireless wifi enabled charging option, infinite display with little bezel "fall off" effect, and an extension cable for both the included magsafe and usbc chargers, a lightning port for other data/charge functionality, ability to plug in lightning EarPods, enable iOS accessories, and lightning to usbc cables included to facilitate the migration to usbc.

that should do it, to make me "happy"

and a fair price, like $1099, with included 2 year warranty standard as is the European law, so I can buy it with AmEx to allow for a third year of coverage, and an upsell of AppleCare to extend standard 2 years to 4 for $100,
 
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agreed with all the points from the OP.

I would add that the highest tier 13" MBP should come with 16gb of RAM and the 15" MBPs should start at 512gb of storage (this is more assuming that the prices of the touchbar models stay where they are now).

I think it is completely reasonable to expect a $2000 computer (13" MBP) to not need additional upgrades as a BTO model. This would also make it more likely that 3rd party retailers would offer at least one version of the 13" with 16gb of ram. When things are only available BTO, you are forced to pay full price from Apple for them.

My hope is that next year (or whenever Apple decides to upgrade the MBPs again) they will realize they pushed prices a bit too far and they'll both reduce prices and stop being so stingy with ram and storage.
 
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What many likely overlook in Apple's pricing scheme is that inflation marches on, and even retaining the same price on hardware with the exact same specifications from the year before actually reflects a discount. However, it remains a scheme to the extent they ask a premium price for computers downgraded in ports and much else.
When I look at comparable pc laptops (that play well with Linux), like the Dell XPS 15 with higher specs than the MBP, I don't even mind paying a premium for a Mac but this is getting ridiculous... the higher speced Dell costs 1 549 € in Europe vs. 2 939 € for the base MBP 15" with 512GB SSD bump. That's one hell of a premium for the lower speced MBP, it goes beyond my own fanboyism.
 
They have a plan. It's probably written down on a piece of paper somewhere. They don't have to tell us everything, but if I'm going to stay in the Apple ecosystem, I need to know that that piece of paper exists and that it at least directionally aligns with my needs.

Apple doesn't give a **** about our real needs, only about marketing so that they can align our perceived needs with products that will make them the most money in the least amount of time.
 
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