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Wow, integration was low in the SJ era. You could hardly share anything, anywhere. iOS 8 brought increased Android features including sharing to many new options, apps can talk to each other, Handoff, Continuity, etc. Integration between iOS and OS X is greater than ever.

The bugs are exaggerated. Squeaky Wheel Syndrome


1. IOS brought SOME features. And a good number of them only provides what Apple wants you to have, not necessarily what fits user's needs. At the same time, they locked out some of the application's features preventing those applications from working properly, in other words, how they were originally designed to work, and there is a list of those applications on this site and elsewhere.
2. Like many other features in IOS 8, those application are buggier than a roach motel. And Apple's coders fix one thing, and break 10 along the process.
3. The bugs are "exaggerated"??? Seriously... no. Only to those that don't care about their computers and devices working as they should. We are paying a premium price to purchase an apple system. The least it should do, is work as advertised. Period.
 
I really hope Apple at least redesign the exterior of the iPhone. Increase the battery size while making the camera flush with the body. And do something about those ugly lines in the back.
I hope Apple is not stubborn and release another S model with the same exact body. Maybe they will shock me like they did when releasing the iPhone 6 plus.
 
Is it just me, or does Apple today feel a lot like Apple when Jobs got kicked out in the 1990s?

Too many products. Difficult to make sense of what does what anymore (the Retina laptops are a mess, some have discrete GPUs, some don't, etc). They just keep releasing more and more crap without perfecting any given thing. Nothing feels unified anymore and they sure as **** aren't listening to their customers, which is a bad thing when it seems like they're incapable of continuously improving things (change for the sake of change).

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Does anyone else remember the day when MR actually had original sources and inciteful commentary?

I wasn't here then but I imagine that was before the PR claws were sunk deep.

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The "innovation" word is overused here and most people do not know what it means. There are several types of innovation of which the following two are the main ones:

Disruptive innovation: an invention or new product that drastically changes market dynamics and creates a whole new product category. An example is the iPhone or the iPad.

Incremental innovation: changes or enhancements to existing products, software or hardware that improve their functioning or make it more effective / efficient. Examples are the retina display, keyboard lighting, SSD drives in laptops, retina iMac.

What most people here are arguing as not being innovation is the second category in which Apple is actually extremely active. In addition, what most people here are demanding are innovations of the first category, which are extremely hard to create and are usually not created by big corporations but by small independent startups (Although Apple is an exception). Examples of that are Instagram and Whatsapp.

The reason why Apple is introducing less disruptive innovations is two-fold:
1. The market for consumer electronics has matured rapidly and there is less room for disruptive innovations.
2. As a company with its size, Apple needs to focus on retaining its profit margin and cost basis. That means it is more likely to focus on securing existing revenue lines than in risky endeavours that might not pay off. But again, Apple is an exception. Their Smartwatch and Apple Pay might be disruptive. The problem is that many here do not like these products and are therefore discounting them as innovations. Totally subjective behaviour.

The only thing Apple did that put them on top was they managed to be first to market with a capacitive touch screen phone that was marketed well. I was doing as much or more on my Windows smartphone years before the iPhone was released, than I'm doing on my iPhone now. More than a decade ago!
 
OK I will bite, what could they have updated? By the way they did update the Airs by lowering the price which is significant for many. In any event you imply that there was no product refreshes in 2014 when there obviously was. So apparently you have a worthless opinion here.

Oh and by the way yes Intel screwed up get over it.

Oh really when was the last time we saw a speed bump after four months?

Yep! You know why though I N T E L that is why.

In some cases this is true. In the case of the MBP's, Apple might be forced to wait for SkyLake if the latest rumors are true. Again I'm not sure why you are blaming Apple for Intels screw ups. Hell I'm in need of a laptop right now but im holding off in the hopes that Broadwell releases soon. I don't sit here blaming Apple though, I will save that for after Broadwell releases and Apple drags its feet pushing out new laptops.

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The CEO is doing fine, he is making shareholders very happy while delivering bleeding edge new products.

What makes you think yo the Newton was a flop? Jobs only canceled it because the company was in such bad shape at the time that he didn't have a choice.

As a NeXT/Apple alum privvy to the cancellation it wasn't due to the financial constraints as the driving factor of cancelling the Newton.

It was DOA the moment we reviewed it and it's future. So were 25 individual product marketing groups and too many people stuck in the 80s who were waiting for sabbatical pay to walk out the doors.

Steve cancelled the Sabbaticals [33% of the staff were up for 12 weeks paid in full] and the products like Newton were an absolute money pit waste of time and resources. They were of no value in moving Mac OS to the successor of NeXTSTEP/Openstep.
 
Can you name a year when people did not complain about WiFi problems with Apple products?

Depends on how long you have been using Apple products. From my personal experiences it's really been recently. My 15" retina finally became stable under Mavericks, an update to Yoshimite and the issues are back, poor experience.

Even more disappointing given apple only has so many models to test on. Can't remember a windows box having this many issues.

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Gonna eat your words.

No matter what happens, it will be hailed as a success by some as they will sell millions, the question is, will it be just a fad or will it become a genuine product? We will see, as Apple products go, I've seen much bigger hype for past products, Apple watch seems to be Luke warm, purely based on people being uncertain about wearables. Wearables for me are like 3d TVs, all the rage for a while, than no one cares as they are too much hassle.
 
2014 was a very, very, very poor year from an innovation standpoint.

"Innovation is a top concern for us here at money..I mean cash...I mean Apple." - Tim

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The :apple:Watch and all the other rumored products doesn't seem appealing to me, particularly the :apple:watch - Ill never buy a watch I need to charge every day, so I can send heartbeats and smilies to other apple watches.

Don't you take your watch off when you go to bed ? Just charge it then. You already do it for your phone.
 
Snow Leapard 10.6.8 is the best OS they ever made. Rock solid. Everything works great. No issues at all. Mac OS has gone downhill ever since. Pity.
 
Square Watch

It will be interesting to see how the watch goes. In its present form, it's fairly unsightly and will probably make you look like a tool wearing it.
It is one product that actually needs to be thinner. Which is probably why it's so dense now; Apple can spend the next 10 years making it thinner. :D
 
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If you are going to include "pulled out of someone's bum" products like the ipad Pro you might as well add that real TV Gene had been tossing out every six months
 
Snow Leapard 10.6.8 is the best OS they ever made. Rock solid. Everything works great. No issues at all. Mac OS has gone downhill ever since. Pity.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Yosemite is by far their best release. It's rock solid and fast even older Macs. The refined UI gives it a more modern look as well. I firmly believe that each release of OS X has been better than the last.

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The "innovation" word is overused here and most people do not know what it means. There are several types of innovation of which the following two are the main ones:

Disruptive innovation: an invention or new product that drastically changes market dynamics and creates a whole new product category. An example is the iPhone or the iPad.

Incremental innovation: changes or enhancements to existing products, software or hardware that improve their functioning or make it more effective / efficient. Examples are the retina display, keyboard lighting, SSD drives in laptops, retina iMac.

What most people here are arguing as not being innovation is the second category in which Apple is actually extremely active. In addition, what most people here are demanding are innovations of the first category, which are extremely hard to create and are usually not created by big corporations but by small independent startups (Although Apple is an exception). Examples of that are Instagram and Whatsapp.

The reason why Apple is introducing less disruptive innovations is two-fold:
1. The market for consumer electronics has matured rapidly and there is less room for disruptive innovations.
2. As a company with its size, Apple needs to focus on retaining its profit margin and cost basis. That means it is more likely to focus on securing existing revenue lines than in risky endeavours that might not pay off. But again, Apple is an exception. Their Smartwatch and Apple Pay might be disruptive. The problem is that many here do not like these products and are therefore discounting them as innovations. Totally subjective behaviour.

Probably the most intelligent post in this thread.
 
Fix the stuff that's out there first?

Can they just promise to fix the stuff that's out there first? I never had an iPhone crash like it has till this year. My macbook pro just crashes and restarts out of the blue sometimes. I used to have everything mac and now I'm finding myself looking elsewhere for products cause apple's stuff doesn't really stand out as much as it used to. Five years ago, most things worked really well right out of the box and updates were pretty solid. Now they have to pull updates cause of problems, iCloud is ok, but not great. Just make what you have now great again please!!!
 
"Innovation is a top concern for us here at money..I mean cash...I mean Apple." - Tim

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The whole point of any business is to generate revenue. Why are companies villifyed for trying to earn money? I own a business and I don't do it for charity. I offer a superior product and that makes me money.

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Can they just promise to fix the stuff that's out there first? I never had an iPhone crash like it has till this year. My macbook pro just crashes and restarts out of the blue sometimes. I used to have everything mac and now I'm finding myself looking elsewhere for products cause apple's stuff doesn't really stand out as much as it used to. Five years ago, most things worked really well right out of the box and updates were pretty solid. Now they have to pull updates cause of problems, iCloud is ok, but not great. Just make what you have now great again please!!!

What hardware to you own? I have an iPhone 6 and a 2011 MacBook Pro and both OS's are rock solid for me. My MBP never crashes and I have no problems with my iPhone and iPad aside with Safari crashing occasionally. I am just wondering if people who have bugs have any 3rd party upgrades or anything. I'm always stumped in particular with people saying that OS X is buggy.
 
The whole point of any business is to generate revenue. Why are companies villifyed for trying to earn money? I own a business and I don't do it for charity. I offer a superior product and that makes me money.

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What hardware to you own? I have an iPhone 6 and a 2011 MacBook Pro and both OS's are rock solid for me. My MBP never crashes and I have no problems with my iPhone and iPad aside with Safari crashing occasionally. I am just wondering if people who have bugs have any 3rd party upgrades or anything. I'm always stumped in particular with people saying that OS X is buggy.

On my iPhone, I have nothing major. Lots of apps I don't really use that much and perhaps it's the apps themselves causing the crashes but that never happened in earlier version. The original iPhone, the 2, 3, 4 were all really great for me. The 5s as well was pretty solid but even with the 5s, some of the software was getting squirrely and things weren't as smooth anymore like scrolling and all the little things that used to be smooth and just right.

I have a 15" macbook pro and though I like Yosemite, it's always crashing it seems. Not always, but for a mac, always. Could be software that needs to be upgraded as well, but I just don't understand why it wasn't happening like 7 years ago. For a while in the 90's, man, some of the mac stuff crashed a lot and Jobs promised all sorts of stuff they could barely deliver. Then he got his system going and every single Apple thing I got was just about 100% rock solid, physically and software-wise. Now, I upgrade (or more often wait to upgrade to see if it bricks anyone's iPhone or erases anyone's iWork docs) before I upgrade things. I use my mac for music production, Finale, Logic Pro, Pro Tools and some minor video editing but sometimes it's even just in safari where it craps out.

I've had macs since 1992 and they are the only computer I have ever bought and used full-time. In the late 90's through around 2010 maybe, they were great for me. Now, these last 2 years maybe, they have just been a mess. Logic pro is dumbed down a little and while there are very cool features I appreciate, they try to make it too user friendly. Same with Final Cut. I'm going back to Pro Tools soon and will probably use some other video editing software. While I like Apple, I don't think their head is in the game anymore, they just want to make money. They are lowballing EVERYONE, their manufacturers, the music labels, the movie industry, yet APPLE charges premium for their stuff. Irony, hypocrisy. They use their power to get it now too. Sad. If the trend doesn't change, I can see myself not using hardly any Apple stuff in 5 years...

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The whole point of any business is to generate revenue. Why are companies villifyed for trying to earn money? I own a business and I don't do it for charity. I offer a superior product and that makes me money.

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What hardware to you own?


Forgot to answer this. I currently have an iPhone 6+, apple TV, Macbook pro 15", time capsule 2tb, airport expresses and base stations nd that's just me personally, not to mention my wife and daughter have lots of apple stuff. I used to have an iPad mini and their update was really pathetic. I didn't update mine and went ahead and stopped using it. Macbook pro I haven't upgraded in almost 2 years now and I used to upgrade every year or even around every 8 months when the newest one would come out. I won't be upgrading my apple tv, nor my time capsule and probably not my expresses. I'll use them till they no longer work and probably go elsewhere. Never thought I would but for using them for over 20 years, there's definitely been lack of quality control on the software side this last year or two. Also, not a fan of the watch, seems like a money grab to me. The only thing it can seemingly do on it's own is keep the time. Everything else, like even GPS has to be piggy backed (over bluetooth I think) on the iPhone. I think it's an interesting device but seems like something windows would do. I would bet Jobs would be like, "what is this? I can't do anything with it without my phone, why would I want one?"
 
On my iPhone, I have nothing major. Lots of apps I don't really use that much and perhaps it's the apps themselves causing the crashes but that never happened in earlier version. The original iPhone, the 2, 3, 4 were all really great for me. The 5s as well was pretty solid but even with the 5s, some of the software was getting squirrely and things weren't as smooth anymore like scrolling and all the little things that used to be smooth and just right.

I have a 15" macbook pro and though I like Yosemite, it's always crashing it seems. Not always, but for a mac, always. Could be software that needs to be upgraded as well, but I just don't understand why it wasn't happening like 7 years ago. For a while in the 90's, man, some of the mac stuff crashed a lot and Jobs promised all sorts of stuff they could barely deliver. Then he got his system going and every single Apple thing I got was just about 100% rock solid, physically and software-wise. Now, I upgrade (or more often wait to upgrade to see if it bricks anyone's iPhone or erases anyone's iWork docs) before I upgrade things. I use my mac for music production, Finale, Logic Pro, Pro Tools and some minor video editing but sometimes it's even just in safari where it craps out.

I've had macs since 1992 and they are the only computer I have ever bought and used full-time. In the late 90's through around 2010 maybe, they were great for me. Now, these last 2 years maybe, they have just been a mess. Logic pro is dumbed down a little and while there are very cool features I appreciate, they try to make it too user friendly. Same with Final Cut. I'm going back to Pro Tools soon and will probably use some other video editing software. While I like Apple, I don't think their head is in the game anymore, they just want to make money. They are lowballing EVERYONE, their manufacturers, the music labels, the movie industry, yet APPLE charges premium for their stuff. Irony, hypocrisy. They use their power to get it now too. Sad. If the trend doesn't change, I can see myself not using hardly any Apple stuff in 5 years...

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Forgot to answer this. I currently have an iPhone 6+, apple TV, Macbook pro 15", time capsule 2tb, airport expresses and base stations nd that's just me personally, not to mention my wife and daughter have lots of apple stuff. I used to have an iPad mini and their update was really pathetic. I didn't update mine and went ahead and stopped using it. Macbook pro I haven't upgraded in almost 2 years now and I used to upgrade every year or even around every 8 months when the newest one would come out. I won't be upgrading my apple tv, nor my time capsule and probably not my expresses. I'll use them till they no longer work and probably go elsewhere. Never thought I would but for using them for over 20 years, there's definitely been lack of quality control on the software side this last year or two. Also, not a fan of the watch, seems like a money grab to me. The only thing it can seemingly do on it's own is keep the time. Everything else, like even GPS has to be piggy backed (over bluetooth I think) on the iPhone. I think it's an interesting device but seems like something windows would do. I would bet Jobs would be like, "what is this? I can't do anything with it without my phone, why would I want one?"

You sound like more of a Mac zealot than me! ;-)

I agree on the dumbing down of Logic.mi have no idea why they did that. It's almost indistinguishable from GarageBand.

I must be lucky because I've mad many Macs dating back to a G3 iBook and I've always found OS X to be super solid.

No sooner did instant typing replies to this topic than my iPad crashed about 10 times while using Safari. I guess maybe they do have work to do on iOS.

As for iWatch I think you nailed it. In think Steve never would have signed off on that product. Whole I am mildly curious about it, I have NO intention of spending $500 on a watch, especially one as thick and bulky. It just seems like a product that mostly does what iPhone does on a tiny scale. I can't see people camping out for it like iPhone or anything.
 
You sound like more of a Mac zealot than me! ;-)

I agree on the dumbing down of Logic.mi have no idea why they did that. It's almost indistinguishable from GarageBand.

I must be lucky because I've mad many Macs dating back to a G3 iBook and I've always found OS X to be super solid.

No sooner did instant typing replies to this topic than my iPad crashed about 10 times while using Safari. I guess maybe they do have work to do on iOS.

As for iWatch I think you nailed it. In think Steve never would have signed off on that product. Whole I am mildly curious about it, I have NO intention of spending $500 on a watch, especially one as thick and bulky. It just seems like a product that mostly does what iPhone does on a tiny scale. I can't see people camping out for it like iPhone or anything.

Yeah, always a huge mac fan but around 2000 I really started becoming one because of everything just working great and being so intuitive. I never used a manual to figure out how to do anything. First iPhone was almost perfectly intuitive from swiping pages and just overall getting around. We'll see what happens. I'm always seeing Ivy doing some interview about how great he is and he's the one telling you how great he is!! Jobs just made things incredible and didn't care about anything or anyone else it seems. Not that that's right but it sure made for great products. I hope Apple isn't the next Microsoft but it wouldn't surprise me. I think the crashing thing you'll notice more because we've talked about it, yet I bet I'll notice it less because I made it sound like I look at any of their OS's and they crash... I'm glad that I'm not the only one who doesn't get the iwatch. I would get one if you didn't need your iPhone practically tethered to it :( The form factor is a little bulky and kinda chunky, like a minecraft design almost, but if it did everything by itself, I could deal with the blocky style for some cool software, but with neither great software or hardware, seems like a waste of $500.
 
Cook is great for profits and shareholders, terrible for creativity and innovation. And please don't mention that silly watch. The unveiling of the iPhone was an insane display of innovation. The watch felt the complete opposite.

My personal memory of the internet's prevailing sentiment on those products outside the positive Apple fandom is quite different. Combined with Macrumors' reactions, they were something like this:

- iPod: Apple is done, no innovation. There are already MP3 players with more features and cheaper prices already. What is Jobs thinking? He's nothing but a masterful marketer fooling buyers with shiny toys. Apple should stop making with toys and make more powerful and expandable affordable Macs for professionals.

- iPhone: Apple is done, no innovation. There are other smartphones with more features and cheaper prices already. What is Jobs thinking? He's nothing but a masterful marketer fooling buyers with shiny toys. Apple should stop making with toys and make more powerful and expandable affordable Macs for professionals.

- iPad: Apple is done, no innovation. There are already tablets with more features and cheaper prices already and THIS IS NOTHING BUT A BIG IPOD TOUCH. What is Jobs thinking? He's nothing but a masterful marketer fooling buyers with shiny toys. Apple should stop making with toys and make more powerful and expandable affordable Macs for professionals.

- Apple Watch: We don't have the product out yet and who knows if it'll be successful or not. But at least the reaction is eerily similar to what we've seen before.

(If anyone remembers, yes, the Mac was called a toy back in the 80s too. There are even newspaper articles with such comment.)

It's interesting to note that Jobs has become just another bullet point in the Apple doomsday scenario. Somewhat ironic considering so many used to criticize Jobs himself for the lack of innovation and being nothing more than a marketing person, just like how iPod, iPhone, and iPad were all thought to be. Somehow a revisionist movement took over and all those products were amazing innovations and Jobs was a great innovator, with Cook replacing Jobs as the person responsible for Apple's obsession with "toys".
 
The iWatch looks very first gen, and that's not a compliment. You just know the 2nd gen will be at least half as thin, making the 1st gen one look like a total embarrassment to walk around with (sorta like those balding dudes still driving around their 1985 Ferrari).

Huh? It is marginally thicker than my Rolex Daytona.


I really want to plunk down money on a Macbook Pro but waiting for Skylake is gonna be a long wait indeed. 2.5k is too much to spend on Broadwell

So your laptop will automatically be able to do less work once Skylake is released?
 
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