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This is a dumb thing to say.

wrldwzrd89 said:
I'd only get one if it supported FireWire 1600 or faster to overcome the large file size/slow synchronization issue.

The Firewire interface is not the bottleneck on iPod Transfers, it never has been. It's the speed of the iPod's HD. Simple fact is, unless you want a three pount iPod with a SATA 7200RPM drive, then Any Firewire faster than 400Mbps is absolutely worthless.
 
Platform said:
But can apple come out with a few new computers instead of iPod's it is just too much iPod 🙁
Does Apple sell computers?

If you go to http://www.apple.com/hardware/ you'll see a link for "New TV Ads. See Apple’s latest television commercials." So you might think that that would show you ads for Apple's various hardware offerings. Instead, it points directly to http://www.apple.com/ipod/ads/ as if Apple's only hardware is the iPod.

Aren't people sick of dancing silhouettes by now? Might Apple just possibly advertise Tiger or, gasp, the Mac mini? Or what about the PowerBook? The current PBs are best computers ever made, being marvels of engineering and hardware-software integration. And PowerBook is still a powerful brand name.

Or wouldn't it be nice to see Apple come out with brand new hardware concepts that don't have Pod anywhere in the name?

Yeah, I already posted this in another thread, but it bears repeating. Doesn't anyone else want to see Apple producing Macs?
 
jwhitnah said:
I'm sure it would be cool. Making iTMS available would be enough for me. If they did, I think many companies would line up to get iTunes on thir phones. Another way to crush the competition. If you have a proprietary (sp?) phone, I worry Apple would be tempted to make iTune exclusive to an Apple phone. I don't see them taking over the cell market so that would keep other competitors alive. Seems like software would be more effective.
Actually, it increasingly looks like putting iTunes on a phone is a stumbling block from the carriers' perspective; see the various threads on the delay of the introduction of the Motorola iTunes phone. The ability to download songs directly from your computer to the phone would directly impact the amount of airtime or the flat fee you'd spend to download it as a ringtone, and 99 cents per song is actually a third of what's presently being charged for some ringtones (not even the entire song!). Hence the understandable (if undesirable, from our viewpoint) foot-dragging by the carriers, who are actually Motorola's customers.

Personally, I think the carriers are really going to push a streaming media susbscription model as they deploy the new high-speed networks. Steady income from subscription fees, and possibly airtime charges on top of that -- what's not to like? 🙁
 
Toe said:
Or wouldn't it be nice to see Apple come out with brand new hardware concepts that don't have Pod anywhere in the name?
True, but I'm willing to put up with dancing silhouettes if it subsidizes the development of other Mac hardware and software.
 
Misplaced Mage said:
Actually, it increasingly looks like putting iTunes on a phone is a stumbling block from the carriers' perspective; see the various threads on the delay of the introduction of the Motorola iTunes phone. The ability to download songs directly from your computer to the phone would directly impact the amount of airtime or the flat fee you'd spend to download it as a ringtone, and 99 cents per song is actually a third of what's presently being charged for some ringtones (not even the entire song!). Hence the understandable (if undesirable, from our viewpoint) foot-dragging by the carriers, who are actually Motorola's customers.
Personally, I could care less if my phone can play music.

But if Apple made a phone, I would buy it in a second. My motivations would be both seamless integration with my Mac and classic Apple design concept (ie, that it would be killer cool and easy to use).

If you free the phone from the MP3 junk, new universes explode into view. Why not an IP phone that works off your home broadband connection, then can travel around on any modern network, regardless of protocol? Why not a phone that fits on your wrist? Why not a phone that can take natural qwerty input with fingers, not thumbs? Or, hey, why not take voice input?

Currently phones are promoted for their earth-shaking capabilities like being able to download ringtones! And change faceplates! Oooh, and maybe being able to broadcast video of your nostrils to your friends! Wow! Those are so awesome, I can't keep awake! Now a phone that is a fully capable internet appliance and that I can use anywhere on any network... that's an eyebrow raiser.
 
Some better ideas

I'll give you some ideas based on my version of some problems that need to be fixed:

1) I understand that people don't think that Apple should get into the telephony business BUT my experience with new cell phones is that their user interface just plain SUCKS. Teensy weensy buttons, endless menus, tedious methods to get images out of the thing and tedious methods to put data into the thing. No guarantee of interoperability with other devices in terms of moving data back and forth etc. Sure you CAN do this stuff but frankly I've got more to do than futz with some arcane menu system with a physical interface optimized for Japanese schoolgirls. And they are expensive to boot. During extended use you wonder if they even HAD a thermal control engineer on staff to do the analysis required to assure that people's ears aren't accidentally fused to the phone. Apple should partner in a serious way with some telecom company and engineer a state of the art phone with an iPod like interface. It should use iSync and .mac services to maintain seamless updating of contacts etc. If it can interface with or substitute for my ipod so much the better.

2) Apple should use the head of steam they have to rework the digital rights for DVD's such that a legal and clear path is laid for you to duplicate these disks' contents and place them on selected devices which have the best practical piracy protection. They have the horsepower and technical/legal know-how to accomplish the equivalent of ITMS for video/movies. No one else out there has a track record in this regard. The interface for itunes/iphoto should be the guide for cataloging and selecting these videos. I have an increasing number of DVDs and would dearly like to be able to take them ALL with me when we go on travel without having to pick through them. Of course this is not going to happen overnight but in a few years compression method efficiencies and mass storage devices capacities will have grown to the point where this is trivial to accomplish. There is no way I would watch them on some puny screen but I WOULD plug my ipod video into a laptop and watch them that way. I suspect that many folks do just what I do when it comes to what is on my laptop as opposed to my ipod. Ipod contains temporary files and can be maxed out without consequence. Laptop should be clear of most junk and must have plenty of available storage for real work etc. You say "who wants to schlep a laptop all over the place?" Yes this is a burden but on a recent multiweek trip we noticed that a large percentage of people now bring their laptops not only for work but for vacation- to allow playing with their digital cameras, video etc. And not surprisingly- to watch videos on!

3) IRemote. The ipod interface should be adapted for ultimate control over your TV and especially satellite TV receivers. The interface for our Dish receiver is pathetic and tedious in the extreme to search through. It would be great if the index for the next 10 hours of shows were synced with my ipod which I could then scroll wheel though in about two seconds and push play. I could then easily assign various genre's ( as in itunes) to various channels and take control of the 500 channels of "sh*t on the TV to choose from". Clearly this could be directly extended to Tivo and other related archive systems. No one has made a concrete step towards eliminating wasteful and redundant remotes at reasonable cost.

Other areas that need technical investment/ could use some help:
Projector systems that are compact, light, QUIET, bright and instantly compatible with whatever is driving them.
Small home/home office networks which extend beyond Airport complexity but which do not require a specialty degree to set up and operate.
Wireless integration/control of boring devices such as temperature sensors, humidity sensors, furnaces, airconditioning, lighting, air handling, solar electric/ solar thermal collectors/storage systems which will become increasingly complex as energy prices rise. Systems we have now are pathetic and proprietary.


In general Apple should apply themselves to maintaining their core businesses but should consider forays into areas where there is a clear lack of technical competence or highly restricted thinking is obvious as evidenced by widespread incompatibility, restricted capabilities, high cost etc. It is the belief that if they make it "it will work" that is a foundation for their success. They are one of the few corporations that can fuse the technical with the legal and logistical to come up with effective, integrated solutions. Most other players are one-dimensional, lack any sort of real vision and are starved by low margins on commodity products. These sort of companies will not be true innovators- Apple is pretty much alone in this regard. They should leverage this capability to the max.
 
Misplaced Mage said:
True, but I'm willing to put up with dancing silhouettes if it subsidizes the development of other Mac hardware and software.

That is my exact feeling also. It does seem that a lot of time is being spent on music. Apple needs to get back on track offering us some long over due updates.
 
While all the iPod ideas are neat, they only become practical being married to a device like a phone if battery life is significantly improved or future iPod-related items are driven more and more by flash memory...
 
SPUY767 said:
The Firewire interface is not the bottleneck on iPod Transfers, it never has been. It's the speed of the iPod's HD. Simple fact is, unless you want a three pount iPod with a SATA 7200RPM drive, then Any Firewire faster than 400Mbps is absolutely worthless.
I appreciate the insight, SPUY767. I guess this means that unless something can be done to make the hard drive keep up while not sacrificing battery life, a video iPod will remain wholly impractical.
 
I guarantee you we'll have a video iPod before Christmas. With the new HD codec with Quicktime on the iPod photo. Oh yes, it'll happen. Oh yes indeed! 😀
 
If you'll excuse the. . .

Pardon the harsh wording, I'm just a generally grating person, it's part of my charm. I also like to make people on blogs angry, it's kind of funny. But you honestly did hit the nail on the hear right there. Two things dictate the utter craptasticness of PVPs (portable video players). The first is the fact that the screen in two inches and most of the content that you could play on them is enough to get you a $500,000.00 fine, and up to five years in a federal penetentary. The second is battery life. In general it would suck massively on any Portabler video player/recorder with decent quality for two reasons. One, The hard drive required to record video at a rate acceptable for viewing on anything but the included 2" screen would be too much of a strain. Two, The processor would be taxed quite heavily a all times while en/decoding, and would thu eat battery liife constantly. Having tested H.264 with the Tiger beta, it works great. . . On a Dual 2.5 G5. On a portable, probably not so much, at least on the encoding end. At any rate you get the point of the post now so I'm gonna go sit on my thumb.
 
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ccuilla said:
2. How utterly uncreative of you...and you already have iPod photo to show you the way. Correct, no one is going to watch movies on a 2" screen...but they will on their 27-42" screens...with a cable...running from their iPod 100GB. Duh. Now was that so hard to envision.

No, he's right. Why would I want to go through this, when I can just PUT A DVD IN THE DVD PLAYER?

ccuilla said:
3. How many people has so grossing extrapolated what Jobs has said about TV into either "Jobs hates TV" or "Apple won't do a TV-related product because you turn your brain off and Apple doesn't want you to do that". Baloney. He has merely pointed out the differences between the usage models of the two things (TV and computers). He hasn't necessarily indicated that one usage model is better or worse than the other...just that they are different...and that what is especially stupid is to not recognize this and build products that try (and fail) to serve both purposes. Sheesh.

Certainly! And yet this purpose is accomplished already, with little USB2 boxes that you can buy right now, that will do everything a TiVo does. You plug your cable company wire into one end, plug the other end into the computer. Watch TV on your high-quality Apple-branded display, or use the factory-supplied dongle to export it to a regular TV. No new products neccessary. Want to take it with you? Transfer it onto your iBook.
 
Wireless iPod

Wireless iPod would be cool, but is it really that big of a deal to plug it in? I mean you still have to plug it in to charge the battery...
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
I appreciate the insight, SPUY767. I guess this means that unless something can be done to make the hard drive keep up while not sacrificing battery life, a video iPod will remain wholly impractical.
Back a few years ago mp3s were the big thing for music. In the video world, that's now "DiVX", which are quite similar to H264, though I would imagine H264 will be slightly better.

If you chat to someone about pirate TV shows you'll learn (as I did) that a TV episode (about 43 minutes long?) takes 350MB. I just made a sample 350MB file and copied it to my iPod, it takes about 45 seconds.

(Now... Firewire's 400Mbps means 50MB per second, so 350MB should be 7 seconds right? I know I'm missing something here... anyway....)

I think that kind of transfer is quite feasible in syncing. It's slower for sure. The issue for PORTABILITY remains that the iPod battery isn't good enough - but an Apple device in your home for watching video is quite possible - even watching a video via Airport would be possible at that file size.
 
GregA said:
Back a few years ago mp3s were the big thing for music. In the video world, that's now "DiVX", which are quite similar to H264, though I would imagine H264 will be slightly better.

If you chat to someone about pirate TV shows you'll learn (as I did) that a TV episode (about 43 minutes long?) takes 350MB. I just made a sample 350MB file and copied it to my iPod, it takes about 45 seconds.

(Now... Firewire's 400Mbps means 50MB per second, so 350MB should be 7 seconds right? I know I'm missing something here... anyway....)

I think that kind of transfer is quite feasible in syncing. It's slower for sure. The issue for PORTABILITY remains that the iPod battery isn't good enough - but an Apple device in your home for watching video is quite possible - even watching a video via Airport would be possible at that file size.

The issue was with recorded video and Bandwidth. The big thing is processor tech. The processors have to really grind to decompress the audio and video, or compress for that matter, and it kills batteries. And can we please stop blaming the end manufacturer for battery life etc. They all use 3rd party stuff, you said, "Apple's batteries." Well, last time I checked, apple didn't make batteries, someone else did, and everyone in the industry uses primarily the same battery tech, so it would perform just as poorly on any proprietary system. That is until someone develops an earth shattering battery technology that gets recharged from the heat generated by the friction of rubbing you're new techno-toy against your pelvis. God I ramble.

Don't forget, I was responding to the foolish arguments made in his post, not saying that it was a bottleneck for the video. It's the bottleneck for the transfer systems. He also mentioned that syncing up would take a long time, a rather stupid argument such that it doesn't take any longer to transfer 30 gigs of movies than it does to transfer 30 gigs of Mp3s. All in all, his post was without the slightest scrap of merit, as was mine. Do keep in mind that I engage in ravenous speculation, and inflammatory comments for my own entertainment.

over and out
 
GregA said:
Back a few years ago mp3s were the big thing for music. In the video world, that's now "DiVX", which are quite similar to H264, though I would imagine H264 will be slightly better.

If you chat to someone about pirate TV shows you'll learn (as I did) that a TV episode (about 43 minutes long?) takes 350MB. I just made a sample 350MB file and copied it to my iPod, it takes about 45 seconds.

(Now... Firewire's 400Mbps means 50MB per second, so 350MB should be 7 seconds right? I know I'm missing something here... anyway....)

I think that kind of transfer is quite feasible in syncing. It's slower for sure. The issue for PORTABILITY remains that the iPod battery isn't good enough - but an Apple device in your home for watching video is quite possible - even watching a video via Airport would be possible at that file size.
What you're missing is that Mbps (megabits per second) and MB (megabytes) aren't quite the same. One megabyte equals eight megabits - this explains the difference you noticed.
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
What you're missing is that Mbps (megabits per second) and MB (megabytes) aren't quite the same. One megabyte equals eight megabits - this explains the difference you noticed.

Nope, I think he pretty much put it in the ol' fruit basket when he said 400mbps is 50MBps, he clearly understands the difference. Try again.
 
I personally would like wireless video, like AirTunes. I'd like to be able to stream video and audio over to my airport express so I can watch DVDs or other videos on my home system without plugging the computer in.

Seems like the next logical step for Airport Express. *shrug*
 
Look at it this way... Before the Macintosh, Apple sold other computer systems I too hope for better Mac sales, but I don't hate Apple for making money in a new venture. If anything, the iPod has been beneficial to the Mac.

I currently hope for better OpenGL and video card support. The iPod can't hurt that.


SiliconAddict said:
wow.

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Those number are really starting to make Mac sales look sad. Here's hoping that the mini fixes that problem.
 
SiliconAddict said:
wow.

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Those number are really starting to make Mac sales look sad. Here's hoping that the mini fixes that problem.


actually no, that makes mac sales look good. if its increasing its good. in this case though, the increase in ipod sales, relative to the increase in mac sales is astounding, overshadowing the slower rise in mac sales
 
I didn't read all the messages, but perhaps:

1) 8" miniBook 🙄

2) iPod newton (there was an unit called Newton in the past.. maybe it would be a good idea to attach this kind of technology to iPod to send files and music wirelessly, even between two iPods)
 
SPUY767 said:
Nope, I think he pretty much put it in the ol' fruit basket when he said 400mbps is 50MBps, he clearly understands the difference. Try again.
In that case, some other factor might be preventing the transfer from using the full bandwidth FireWire offers. The most common cause is the speed of the source, the speed of the destination, or both being slower than the FireWire standard.
 
Techobo said:
Wireless iPod would be cool, but is it really that big of a deal to plug it in? I mean you still have to plug it in to charge the battery...

Yeah... wouldn't it be nice if Apple invented a way to charge your battery wirelessly too..
Wireless electricity 🙄
 
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