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That’s so interesting to hear. I guess it boils down to the personality and types of questions you ask. Or maybe it’s just I know what things I can and can’t ask Alexa. I find she has the answer to my question 90% of the time. Never used google so can’t speak to it.

One of my issues with Alexa is that she often does’t understand the question I’m asking. This never seems to happen with Google. It’s ability to parse questions is just astounding. But Alexa does what I need her to do and she’s my smart speaker of choice in the home.

Siri has some issues too. I like Apple Maps, but she far too often can’t figure out where I want to go when I use CarPlay. Consequently, Google Maps is my GPS of choice in the car.
 
Well, they kept including the dock plates with iPods for the Hi-Fi for a while post discontinuation. They also keep updating the OG HomePod, it's not like they hung it out to dry. Just stopped selling it. I'm not sure why there'd be a 'trust issue'.
Trust issue is because Apple screws us sometimes. Not often, but sometimes quite rudely when they do.

Discontinuation of HomePods was a minor screwing to folks who like/love them (me) and wanted to buy more. The HomePod Mini is unusable for music for anyone with decent ears; an insult.

Worse screwing (and why no one experienced trusts Apple) was the discontinuation of Mac Project after many of us had integrated the app into enterprise-critical workflows; or the discontinuation of Aperture after many of us had integrated the app into enterprise-critical workflows; or the discontinuation of Filemaker run time versions after many of us had integrated the app into enterprise-critical workflows. Such corporate actions do cause trust issues.

P.S. I am a solid pro-Apple user and have been for decades; not a hater of some kind.
 
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What would he really cool are HomePods that would allow HomePod Minis to connect directly to them and act as rear surround speakers.
The sound from Minis sucks. Adding (the existing poor-sounding) Minis to the excellent Homepods would just denigrate the sound. I tried adding Minis to my HomePods and it was awful; the Minis were returned to Apple.
 
This would be great. At the end of the homepod run I really wanted one and just sat and waited too long. I would love something a bit more powerful, maybe on device Siri and using the new ios16 dictation which seems much more accurate would go a long way to having a useful smart speaker. Also, matter and thread support would be great
 
The whole HomePod space would likely do much better for Apple if they just improved Siri. Put another way, their HomePods are never going to compete well until Siri is close to or better than the competition, no matter how good the audio sounds. And by extension much of their HomeKit market. Sadly Siri has a long way to go.
I disagree. What you call the competition that was primarily all about voice response was the sucky sounding but cheap Amazon Echo, which is why we got the sucky sounding HomePod Mini.

The original HomePod was primarily a great sounding small smart speaker. Hamstrung by price and Siri's limitations unfortunately, but it was an excellent small smart speaker. The Echo market space is not where full-size HomePod should be positioned.

IMO Apple needs to position full-size HomePod as a great sounding small smart speaker like the originals, but with the latest tech and HomeKit innovations and security. And hopefully with Siri reaching higher competence. Security is in bold-face type because today it is an issue Apple rightfully owns after working at it for years.
 
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I disagree. What you call the competition that was primarily all about voice response was the sucky sounding but cheap Amazon Echo, which is why we got the sucky sounding HomePod Mini.

The original HomePod was primarily a great sounding small smart speaker. Hamstrung by price and Siri's limitations unfortunately, but it was an excellent small smart speaker. The Echo market space is not where full-size HomePod should be positioned.

IMO Apple needs to position full-size HomePod as a great sounding small smart speaker like the originals, but with the latest tech and HomeKit innovations and security. And hopefully with Siri reaching higher competence. Security is in bold-face type because today it is an issue Apple rightfully owns after working at it for years.
It's such a no-brainer to make a competitor to the Google Nest Hub and smaller devices like the Lenovo Smart Clock with Google Assistant. I have one of the former and two of the latter, and larger homes would have a lot more. A plug-in, non-portable, expensive yet medicocre speaker is such a niche product. Something like the Bose Soundlink Revolve is far more versatile than the Homepod, being battery operated, with analog and computer inputs in addition to Bluetooth, and it's what I have.
Original HomePod speakers are definitely not "expensive yet medicocre". My guess is that you do not own them, so perhaps you should not make comments about something you have not real-world tested.

Original HomePods may be considered expensive, depending on what they are compared to, but they are in no way mediocre. The sound from full size HomePods competes very well with far larger and more expensive alternatives.

[Edit: Some folks have tried HomePods outdoors and subsequently dissed them. Sound from full size HomePods competes very well in moderately sized spaces. The 7" HomePods are per se too physically small to perform well in large spaces or outdoors.]

You seem to be happy with the Bose Soundlink Revolve. I tried several Bose portable choices to get decent audiobooks volume in my car with ancient care stereo and all were either poor sounding/volume even for voice or failed after a couple of months. I will try the Bose Soundlink Revolve.
 
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I disagree. What you call the competition that was primarily all about voice response was the sucky sounding but cheap Amazon Echo, which is why we got the sucky sounding HomePod Mini.

The original HomePod was primarily a great sounding small smart speaker. Hamstrung by price and Siri's limitations unfortunately, but it was an excellent small smart speaker. The Echo market space is not where full-size HomePod should be positioned.

IMO Apple needs to position full-size HomePod as a great sounding small smart speaker like the originals, but with the latest tech and HomeKit innovations and security. And hopefully with Siri reaching higher competence. Security is in bold-face type because today it is an issue Apple rightfully owns after working at it for years.
The competition was indeed sucky sounding. It was and still is absolutely awful sounding. But it does have great voice response and people don't just by HomePod for the audio - at least I don't. I have plenty of great HiFi kit if I want to spend time listening to great audio, and it's really nice to have great audio from the HomePod, too. But I'd also really like it to have more voice response utility.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. I just want better Siri AND great voice response. Too much to ask, it seems.
 
I disagree. What you call the competition that was primarily all about voice response was the sucky sounding but cheap Amazon Echo, which is why we got the sucky sounding HomePod Mini.

The original HomePod was primarily a great sounding small smart speaker. Hamstrung by price and Siri's limitations unfortunately, but it was an excellent small smart speaker. The Echo market space is not where full-size HomePod should be positioned.

IMO Apple needs to position full-size HomePod as a great sounding small smart speaker like the originals, but with the latest tech and HomeKit innovations and security. And hopefully with Siri reaching higher competence. Security is in bold-face type because today it is an issue Apple rightfully owns after working at it for years.
I would have bought a pair of minis if they had spatial audio support.
I doubt if Apple will (or could) make Minis sound like HomePods; neither enough size nor room for individual speakers of various ranges. No doubt Minis could sound better, but not what HomePods do. My hope is that Apple again offers an excellent-sounding pricey 7" HomePod, but with modern HomeKit features to help justify the price. And also a less expensive Mini with similar HomeKit tech but without the high end sound (better however than the current Mini's sound).

IMO Apple's errors the first time around were in product placement. The original HomePod was priced too high for the voice-speaker space that is was partially charged with filling. Then the HomePod Mini came out with lousy sound and was (thanks to perception built by the excellent original HomePod sound) partially positioned as a music speaker, which it fails at. Apple should have kept HomePods in the line even if just to define the space.

Today the two categories are fairly clear, and readily attainable by Apple: smaller less expensive voice smart speaker and pricey larger great sounding music smart speaker. Both identically tied to the latest HomeKit and Siri tech. IMO the latest HomeKit and Siri tech is where limitations may exist.
 
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The sound from Minis sucks. Adding (the existing poor-sounding) Minis to the excellent Homepods would just denigrate the sound. I tried adding Minis to my HomePods and it was awful; the Minis were returned to Apple.
Rear speakers that produce a lower quality and “smaller” sound…wouldn’t exactly be something new.
 
Put Alexa in that thing and Apple would have a real winner.

Alexa is dumb as a post, but she does what I need her to do, and she does it in expensively. She wakes me up, reports the weather, turns my lights on, adjusts my thermostat, and plays my music. Unfortunately, she can never seem to answer any questions I throw at her.

Google, on the other hand, has consistently amazed me with its AI implementation. Siri is somewhere in the middle.
My Siri does everything you say you do with Alexa. Except for the thermostat because I don’t have one. Consider also that Siri understands my horrible English pronunciation.
 
Rear speakers that produce a lower quality and “smaller” sound…wouldn’t exactly be something new.
Your point is well taken. The sound from current Minis is (IMO) too poor to fill that role, but a new Mini could and should be made that could do so.
 
Your point is well taken. The sound from current Minis is (IMO) too poor to fill that role, but a new Mini could and should be made that could do so.
Let’s also remember that these speakers aren’t intended to replace true surround system that costs well into the thousands.
 
Let’s also remember that these speakers aren’t intended to replace true surround system that costs well into the thousands.
Indeed. IMO the size of the space enters into the analysis, and Apple fails to educate folks in that regard. Original HomePods excel for moderately sized indoor spaces and paired-speaker setups. Minis are voice quality only. Neither is engineered for large spaces, for outdoors or for surround sound. Apple needs to communicate those facts to customers instead of letting customer ignorance lead to misuse.

My HomePods are at one end of a 15'x30' space that is spatially a nightmare (a brick wall, a glass wall, a fish tank and with furniture interspersed) at the end where the speakers live. The original HomePods adapted to the difficult space in a way that I could not ever have achieved with any of the much more expensive audiophile-grade setups that I have built. The HomePods sound great in 15'x15' of the 30' space, but fidelity falls off fairly quickly as one gets more than ~12' from the pair of Homepods.
 
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The AppleTV + HomePod combination would seem a weird device, since I would never put a single Home Pod near my TV.
 
I don't want a bigger Apple TV, I want a mini Apple TV, Apple TV stick or whatever. That box is clunky.
 
When you've got two, three-way, 300 watt floor speakers... these things seem like toys. I can understand wanting them for their convenience, but one tiny little speaker for that price? Come on.
 
The original HomePod failed because it was too expensive for the mass market. If apple wants this next version to be more successful, it has to lower the price. Just my (humble) opinion.
The original HomePod sold poorly because Minis were not created yet so the full-size HomePod was force-fit into competing in the low end Echo mass market, and therefore was too expensive as you observe. But it could exist at the higher end with the Mini at the lower end mass market.
 
I like the idea of the HomePod, but after owning both the original HomePod and the HomePod Mini, the reality of them sucks. Until Apple vastly improves the Home app and can connect a pair of HomePods as a stereo set, and have them stay paired for longer than a week, I’m not interested. I threw my Sonos speakers away for the same reason. WiFi speakers are just too unstable and require too much fiddlefarting to keep them working correctly. I want my speaker to just work every time I use them and WiFi speakers are incapable of providing this level of stability.
My HomePods have lost synch ~3 times in years and it was easily restored. They probably have 12 months error-free going right now.

[Edit: Note however that the HomePods are synched to and are within 10' of my WiFi network booster.]
 
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The most basic day to day things that aren’t even that serious like “how long do I cook boneless chicken thighs in an instant pot.” And I don’t know what siris exact response for that is, but those are the types of things I’m talking about (btw I know for a fact Alexa gives me the answer I’m looking for). There are many times I think, let me give Siri a shot, just knowing it’s gonna fail. And then it does. I use a combination of siri and Alexa probably 50+ times a day. And Alexa is FAR more practical in a massive number of scenarios. Many people use voice assistance for more than smart home commands and setting reminders. I’m an Apple fanboy, so I’d rather siri be better - trust me. But she’s (it’s) not. By far.
I just don't understand why lately when I ask a question, she says she will send it to my phone. Did she always do this and I missed it? And inconsistency is the other issue. When she works, it's great, but suddenly she can't turn a light on or off.
 
I guess I'm becoming a tech Luddite, but I still can't abide a "speaker that listens to me" in my home. Am I the last properly paranoid man on Earth?
Also, I much prefer wired connections. If the device isn't mobile, then why tie up WiFi bandwidth and add latency in your audio system?
The phone does this already. Too many times to be coincidence that people have said they were talking about stuff without any app opens, and the next time they go on an app, the thing is showing in an ad or such.
 
My Siri does everything you say you do with Alexa. Except for the thermostat because I don’t have one. Consider also that Siri understands my horrible English pronunciation.

The key difference is that Alexa does it inexpensively. We have multiple $30 Dots, $65 Shows with 8” screens, and a Sonos Beam soundbar. That kind of group would cost a fortune with Apple’s Siri, if it was even possible - which it presently isn’t.

And it’s not that we’re anti-Apple at my house. We’re a big family and have eight iPhones (inexplicably one Android), five MacBooks, an iMac, at least four or five Apple Watches, and too many iPads to count.

But Alexa is our smart speaker of choice.
 
There's nothing worse than when you're having a group of friends over and the streamed music glitches somehow and it's a pain to get it going again. The 3.5 mm input as a backup would be a great idea.
Would also allow me to use a HomePod with sky q
 
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