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I have the latest 27" iMac (2017) and love its simplicity. I'm in the market for the new iMac 27" now. I can't believe Apple doesn't care enough to begin making it? My wife has the new 24" and she loves it. How hard is it to make a 27" model? Come on, as I'm so tired of reading about these alerts online!
 
It worked out pretty well. After replacement, the screen is very slightly offset to one side more than I would like.
Nice! Yeah, it's a nasty bit of work but very satisfying to bring a Mac back from death's door. I actually ended up sending mine back to Apple as a trade-in and they either didn't notice or didn't care that I'd opened it up and swapped out the old Fusion Drive for an SSD.
 
My past experience with original Apple MacPro (as well as POWERPC laptops) makes me very cautious about first versions of anything from Apple. Some of you may recall there were so many thing you could NOT upgrade to from the original MacPro. this first INTEL Mac wasn't cheap and was obsolete for upgrades in less than a year. When apple let you add laptop memory, later versions of the software didn't support a memory upgrade. That's why I didn't even consider the M1 iMac. (16gb memory limit) Maybe Apple learned a lesson from the experience? Who knows ? My question is the long delay and rethinking about the M2/M3 iMacs . Are we looking at the same potential for being a first edition which quickly becomes obsolete? Like others here, I would probably jump For a M2 iMac 27 inch as long as a minimum of 32GB memory is available. My workhorse intel iMac 27 has been going strong since 2015 but is noticeably slow compared to my newer laptop. I'm assuming the days of upgrading iMac memory are also over.
 
In practical terms, I thought the whole idea of Retina was that the human eye would not be able to distinguish individual pixels at a normal viewing distance. As I told the other poster, I can'd distinguish individual pixels on my 163 PPI display, so obviously I wouldn't be able to distinguish them on a 183 PPI display either, especially since I'd probably have the display even further away due to the larger size.

You may be correct, not all human can see the difference between 183 PPI vs 220 PPI.

However, they made the standard. I highly doubt they will make one single product (32" iMac if that ever exist) deviate from this standard while the rest of every single Apple product has "Retina display".

No, I really don't think so. If they can get away with this, the 2015 imac 27" 5k would have been 3840x2160 like the rest of all 27" monitor in the world. It's totally technically feasible to make a 4k 32" monitor, but that will also destroy every single Apple product with the technology "Retina display" they have been embracing for the last..10 years?
 
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Think i paid around $2000 for the late2012 iMac, looking back at all the money wasted on hardware, this is the best $2k I ever spent by far. 10 years later it’s still chugging along without any issues or performance problems while remain silent. Only things I did was upgrading the memory myself to 24gb for $150 extra when I got it in 2012 since it’s much cheaper vs Apple memory. And more recently switch it over to use an external Samsung ssd via usb for more space, with added benefit of gave a huge boost to performance, like a new mac. If Apple doesn’t artificially block new macos upgrade I can probably use it for another 10 years. As it is now I am ready to drop 5k for the next 27 iMac, because I know I will use it for 10+ years compared to the average pc life of 3-4 years before it becomes crap. There something elegant of having a single wire with just a monitor on your desk and that’s it.
I feel exactly the same. I too have a 2013 iMac. I will wait for the new 27” iMac.
 
First off, I don't know why they would increase the size of the 21.5" iMac to 24" but leave the 27" the same. I would expect the new larger iMac to be 30".

Secondly, I don't see how the larger iMac could also be "consumer". That would mean only M2/M3 and no Pro or Max chips, but what would be the point: a 27" iMac with M2 only? What is the upgrade from the 24"? Three inches of screen space and nothing else? I think a 30" iMac with Pro/Max chips makes more sense, or at least a 27" iMac with these chip options. So far, Apple's only non-Pro larger device is the iPhone Plus.

Or maybe the Mac Studio is the only planned replacement and we get nothing. 🤷‍♂️
 
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My biggest issue with Apple's monitors is the 16x9 ratio...even a 3:2 or 16:10 would be much better. They are plenty wide, but I feel we need a little more height. Especially with the removal of the chin, they could have gone to 28" like the Surface.

As for a large iMac, my family will buy several if they are consumer level chips like they used to be on the low end.

I would strongly consider an iMac Pro also.
 
Secondly, I don't see how the larger iMac could also be "consumer". That would mean only M2/M3 and no Pro or Max chips, but what would be the point: a 27" iMac with M2 only?

Pretty much absolutely everything the average consumer and prosumer needs to do with that iMac?

Having been a mac owner since 2006, I'm really genuinely curious when all these obsessions with spec sheets began. Do you have any idea what "only M2/M3" even means? Or do you only focus on the fact that it's not "Pro" or "Max" or "Ultra"?

What is the upgrade from the 24"? Three inches of screen space

A huge difference. Sufficient enough for many. The only actually considered argument for many.

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Or maybe the Mac Studio is the only planned replacement

The Mac Studio is the replacement for the iMac Pro. It never was meant to be the replacement of the larger-screened iMac. Not the same demographics by a good $1,000-2,000 and computing needs.

27” is laughably small these days. I hope Apple bring two sizes, the bigger one being at least 32”.

I work at 24" at work because of no choice (non-Apple monitors). Two, because I need the screen real estate. 27" very much is not yet the standard these days and therefore very much not laughably small...

Aside...I can only speak for myself, but I'm not sitting miles away from my monitor for a number of reasons (e.g.: I have short arms; I run the native resolution and anything further would be too small; ...). 32" is too big to comfortably work on for prolonged amounts of time. I prefer the one large screen of my iMac over my two monitors at work any given day. Ergonomy remains important and just because you can (and just because gamers love it), doesn't mean you should. There's a reason why most people don't hook up their TVs to their laptops...
 
If the Mac Studio was meant only to replace the iMac Pro, why was the 27” iMac discontinued as soon as the Studio was released? It seemed fairly clear that the message was: this is the replacement. The iMac Pro had been a temporary device released due to the stagnation of the trash can Mac Pro. I don't think one can do a perfect one-to-one mapping of one product to its successor, but it seemed like that was the chance to make an Apple Silicon 27" iMac.

As for “just M2”, it seems absurd to me that if you want the graphics and computing power of the Pro or Max chip, you must get a Studio or a laptop. If there is going to be a larger iMac, I expect it to have the higher-end chips available in the MacBook Pros. The iMac Pro was like a Mac Pro in iMac form; it had Xeon chips. The non-Pro 27" iMac was more like the desktop version of the MacBook Pro and always had higher spec options than the smaller 21.5" iMac. I don't see why that wouldn't continue into the Apple Silicon era.

It’s true that the power of “entry level” is far greater with Apple Silicon than Intel, but I do not expect a 27” to be “entry level”, on par with the 24” iMac.
 
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iMac 27" would be instant buy for me. Of course when it appears on refurbished store :D
I don't need Pro, Max, Ultra, whatever. You can give me intel gen 27" screen, just with M1, and I would be happy. I want big screen, that is all. M1 performance is great so far, no need to change it. Give that option to people who need it, but for us, let us choose 27"! Please, Tim Apple!
 
27” is laughably small these days. I hope Apple bring two sizes, the bigger one being at least 32”.
Laughably small these days? LOL are you kidding me? 30" is too big for me, to the point that it is not comfortable to use. 27" is ideal, but I just want small bezels. I will get 27" as soon as it is released.
 
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27” is laughably small these days
How? Have a look around, at the vast majority of computer users on Earth, and you'll see that they're using displays a lot smaller than 27". Most are just using 'phones, then laptop users make up a huge number. Go to offices and other places where people are using computers for work, and you'll rarely find displays over say 24" or so. The number of people using displays that are larger, is a relatively very small number. The number of Apple Mac users that are using displays of over 24" is even smaller. Apple have done their research; believe me, that know more about market demands than anyone on here. The actual market for large displays is very tiny in relative terms. Most people dont want or need such size. Simple fact.
That photo shows me that having a larger display/iMac would be unsuitable, as it takes up more space, and would be impractical for my situation. I'm happy with the 24". Having owned older flat screen iMacs, I always thought 20/21.5" was a bit small. But I can see how larger displays are of benefit to others; I've been in studios where you have more than one person needing to view a screen, so larger displays are better there. Etc. Horses for courses. I think it inevitable Apple will release a larger iMac, probably 27-30" or so, but it's all just speculation. One thing we can guarantee though; no matter what they make, there'll always be someone moaning about something...
 
iMac 27" would be instant buy for me. Of course when it appears on refurbished store :D
I don't need Pro, Max, Ultra, whatever. You can give me intel gen 27" screen, just with M1, and I would be happy. I want big screen, that is all. M1 performance is great so far, no need to change it. Give that option to people who need it, but for us, let us choose 27"! Please, Tim Apple!
Er, there are many 27” iMacs in the refurbished store from $1450 - $5700 and manufactured as recently as August 2020. These are Intel. We know there will likely never be another Intel anything in Apple’s line-up so the refurb’d ones are the last you’ll get. But still a heck of a powerful computer. What is it you’re waiting for?
 
Whenever it's released just queue up the Apple marketing speak .. "This is the best iMac we've ever created, we think you will love it.." 🙏

At this point computers are pretty much platueued, have been for several years. There really isn't anything you can't accomplish even with a base model. Apple has already made them thin, light, and colourfull to attract your attention. And improved battery life and reduced power consumption. Not to say something new isn't nice but I find there is little value left.
 
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Is this a good moment to buy the 2020 iMac with i7, 512gb SSD, 8GB Ram planning to expand and 5500XT from AMZ brand new? Wife is in search of a new Mac as she no longers wants to use the MBP Late 2019 with I7 16gb ram and 5300M? Lately this laptop has been struggling and being laggy even after formating.

Or is the iMac M1 a better purchase at this point?
 
Is this a good moment to buy the 2020 iMac with i7, 512gb SSD, 8GB Ram planning to expand and 5500XT from AMZ brand new? Wife is in search of a new Mac as she no longers wants to use the MBP Late 2019 with I7 16gb ram and 5300M? Lately this laptop has been struggling and being laggy even after formating.

Or is the iMac M1 a better purchase at this point?
A 2019 machine should not be laggy. It could be the hard drive that is playing up. I suspect that having an SSD put into your MBP would transform it into feeling like a whole new responsive machine. Otherwise you are talking about an intel versus an apple silicon machine and different screen sizes the importance of which depends entirely on what you want and what you are using it for.
 
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I know but the thing is I won't invest in another intel Mac that's going to be obsolete in the following years (above all when I have to spend at least 1.5K for it). I keep my Macs for a decade and over.
I don’t understand this. Your 2012 has lasted a decade. If you got a 2020, why wouldn’t that last a decade as well?

As for obsolescence, your 2012 was TECHNICALLY obsolete long ago and you apparently didn’t care as it, again apparently, did what you wanted it to do. Again, why would a 2020 iMac be different? It is arguably TECHNICALLY obsolete now given Apple’s product line has changed away from Intel, away from 27” all-in-ones, and away from user hardware upgrades. But it is still a heckuva computer and if it meets your needs (and it should if you’re only now becoming unhappy with its 2012 predecessor), why not go for the 2020 in the form factor you like?

I’m not getting the logic here. Maybe I need a second cuppa this morning.
 
Laughably small these days? LOL are you kidding me? 30" is too big for me, to the point that it is not comfortable to use. 27" is ideal, but I just want small bezels. I will get 27" as soon as it is released.
Yeah if 30" is too big for _you_ then you get the 27", what's the problem? That's why I said I hope they make two sizes.


27" very much is not yet the standard these days and therefore very much not laughably small...
How? Have a look around, at the vast majority of computer users on Earth, and you'll see that they're using displays a lot smaller than 27". Most are just using 'phones, then laptop users make up a huge number. Go to offices and other places where people are using computers for work, and you'll rarely find displays over say 24" or so. The number of people using displays that are larger, is a relatively very small number.
I'm not talking about the world's average, I said "these days". But I guess Sweden has very different standards than the US. Here, big screens appear to be way more common than in the states. In my office for instance, the smallest screen is 34" (besides the laptops). Any other office I've seen here in Stockholm have 27" screens upwards with 30" being the apparent average. These are mainly software companies but not only. My girlfriends company does leadership consulting (so a lot of powerpoint and excel stuff) and the smallest screen they have is 27", too.

But yeah, maybe I got a bit too excited when I wrote "laughably" but not having a bigger option would be very disappointing and in my opinion ridiculous.
 
I don’t understand this. Your 2012 has lasted a decade. If you got a 2020, why wouldn’t that last a decade as well?

As for obsolescence, your 2012 was TECHNICALLY obsolete long ago and you apparently didn’t care as it, again apparently, did what you wanted it to do. Again, why would a 2020 iMac be different? It is arguably TECHNICALLY obsolete now given Apple’s product line has changed away from Intel, away from 27” all-in-ones, and away from user hardware upgrades. But it is still a heckuva computer and if it meets your needs (and it should if you’re only now becoming unhappy with its 2012 predecessor), why not go for the 2020 in the form factor you like?

I’m not getting the logic here. Maybe I need a second cuppa this morning.
As my 2012 iMac is far from dying I'm don't have to buy a Mac right now. I may in the following months/years if I have to change the way I'm currently working (that is to say working remotely more seriously). Secondly I would -personally- never spend so much money on something that has been released 3 years ago, and, that has been replaced with a totally different architecture. It's really not more complicated than that.
 
I'm not talking about the world's average
Well, that's what matters, and what will influence marketing and manufacturing decisions. What you're talking aobut is nothing more than your own experience, which will be very limited (to the places you visit etc). But Apple etc aren't making computers only for the Swedish IT market; they are making them for a global one.

But I guess Sweden has very different standards than the US. Here, big screens appear to be way more common than in the states
I couldn't comment on the US as I live in the UK. Here, I see far more displays 24" or smaller, than larger ones. And we have a much larger population than Sweden. So you can't use your limited personal experience to explain something, and make statements such as '27" is laughable small these days', because it's just not the case. If you limit your observation to Mac desktop users, then it may well be the case that 27" and larger displays are more common. But even then, the higher cost will put many people off buying them; economics plays a major part in determining such things. Larger displays are becoming more popular as prices gradually go down, but they are still very much in the minority.
 
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I don’t understand this. Your 2012 has lasted a decade. If you got a 2020, why wouldn’t that last a decade as well?

As for obsolescence, your 2012 was TECHNICALLY obsolete long ago and you apparently didn’t care as it, again apparently, did what you wanted it to do. Again, why would a 2020 iMac be different? It is arguably TECHNICALLY obsolete now given Apple’s product line has changed away from Intel, away from 27” all-in-ones, and away from user hardware upgrades. But it is still a heckuva computer and if it meets your needs (and it should if you’re only now becoming unhappy with its 2012 predecessor), why not go for the 2020 in the form factor you like?
As I've said before; I was in a similar situation, wanting a new Mac to replace my ancient 2006 MacPro, and considered a 27" Intel iMac, but then MacRumours were talking about the new M1 Macs on the horizon. I didn't want to invest a lot of money (the spec I wanted would have cost around £3500) without feeling assured regarding the potential longevity of the new machine, so I held off and waited (around 18 months!) for the new M1 iMac. I did buy a s/h 2012 MacMini as a 'stopgap', but that was only £330. As it turned out, I ended up getting my new iMac for nearly half the price I would have spent on an Intel machine. And I've got a computer that is more than adequate for my needs, is the perfect size (don't tell Oberhorst, but I prefer a 24" over a 27" display), and I've saved a massive chunk of money. So I'm happy. Waiting worked out for me.
 
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