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Ran into an old manager from where I used to work in private enterprise IT.

Funnily enough they enforced RTO and he was gloating how everyone was happy to be back in the office and face to face for collaboration and culture. However, I’m still friends with two of the systems analysts there and they both found new work, and will be submitting their two weeks shortly 🤣🤣🤣

Management will never understand. Glad I left when I did.

That’s the funny thing isn’t it. Our firm sees a lot of people move on. Yet management don’t understand the reasons why. I’ve told them and get ignored. So I just don’t bother any more.

Sometimes I think it’s intentional. They know how much people hate the in office days. I just can’t tell if it’s more about control, or if it’s a quiet attrition strategy. Either way, it feels deliberate.
I suspect that it is a matter of attempting to assert control rather than a policy of brutal bleak and attrition, but yes, I must say that I do find the deliberate (and deliberately cultivated) ignorance of management (and owners) - and refusal to acknowledge (let alone accept) the widespread unhappiness of their workforce with conditions in the modern office work environment, to be rather telling.
I get the whole return-to-office thing, and I understand all the issues with it and why people don't want to. But at the same time, I also don't. I think part of the reason why I don't get people's frustration is that I'm surrounded by people whose jobs can only be done in-person, and who like working in-person, and who like the people they work with.
That is all well and good, but - to be quite candid - these are not the conditions under which most people endure the experience of their work lives, and a great many people have neither the luxury of liking what they do, nor enjoying the company (and professional expertise) of those with whom they work.

Yes, some jobs work better face to face, and some, obviously, require face to face interaction.

However, not all do, and management has been reluctant to acknowledge that potential for transformational change of tech in people's lives, and, above all, in people's work lives, with the single, striking, exception of where it can be used to ensure that staff are on call 24/7 - and have been reluctant to accept that developments in tech, and the changes enforced by the pandemic, mean that many people realised that they did not need to be in the office all of the time, and that advances in tech meant that they could work perfectly well from home, at least for a couple of days each week.

On the other hand, I know very few people (in real life) who work in tech, or corporations, or any other sort of job where returning to the office is seen negatively.
Well, in my case, I know of very few people who wished to return to the office, and I must say that I know hardly anyone who wished to return to the office full time.
 
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I suspect that it is a matter of attempting to assert control rather than a policy of brutal bleak and attrition, but yes, I must say that I do find the deliberate (and deliberately cultivated) ignorance of management (and owners) - and refusal to acknowledge (let alone accept) the widespread unhappiness of their workforce with conditions in the modern office work environment, to be rather telling.

That is all well and good, but - to be quite candid - these are not the conditions under which most people endure the experience of their work lives, and a great many people have neither the luxury of liking what they do, nor enjoying the company (and professional expertise) of those with whom they work.

Yes, some jobs work better face to face, and some, obviously, require face to face interaction.

However, not all do, and management has been reluctant to acknowledge that potential for transformational change of tech in people's lives, and, above all, in people's work lives, with the single, striking, exception of where it can be used to ensure that staff are on call 24/7 - and have been reluctant to accept that developments in tech, and the changes enforced by the pandemic, mean that many people realised that they did not need to be in the office all of the time, and that advances in tech meant that they could work perfectly well from home, at least for a couple of days each week.


Well, in my case, I know of very few people who wished to return to the office, and I must say that I know hardly anyone who wished to return to the office full time.
Especially open plan offices!

A colleague who recently handed in their notice (has worked for about 8 years with us), doesn’t even have a job to go to. Is just looking for a change of direction.

I have to say that’s a very brave thing to do, especially given the current climate.

I actually enjoyed my job today. Directing product videos with one of my favourite presenters.
Now sat in a very nice restaurant having eaten a Salmon salad starter, steak main and contemplating a desert.

Tastes better when you are not paying!
 
Especially open plan offices!
A passionate and profound amen to that.

Open plan offices are the spawn of Satan.
A colleague who recently handed in their notice (has worked for about 8 years with us), doesn’t even have a job to go to. Is just looking for a change of direction.
Ouch.

I always marvel that management rarely ask (or, rarely listen to an answer) why people leave, or give thought to reasons for employees handing in their notice.
I have to say that’s a very brave thing to do, especially given the current climate.
Indeed.

But, sometimes, for the sake of one's health and sanity, it may be the only possible step that one feels one can take.
I actually enjoyed my job today. Directing product videos with one of my favourite presenters.
Excellent.
Now sat in a very nice restaurant having eaten a Salmon salad starter, steak main and contemplating a desert.
That sounds lovely.

Perhaps a beer after?
Tastes better when you are not paying!
Agree completely.
 
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A passionate and profound amen to that.

Open plan offices are the spawn of Satan.

Ouch.

I always marvel that management rarely ask (or, rarely listen to an answer) why people leave, or give thought to reasons for employees handing in their notice.

Indeed.

But, sometimes, for the sake of one's health and sanity, it may be the only possible step that one feels one can take.

Excellent.

That sounds lovely.

Perhaps a beer after?

Agree completely.
There was a beer with and possibly one after. But I’m at work in the morning so should probably leave it there!
 
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Agreed. Sadly. The days when I could manage 5-10 pints and function the next day are long since gone. The joys of getting older. Oh well. A cup of tea it is!
Oh, gosh, yes.

Amen to that.

Five (pints) was merely a very good night out when I was a student, and sometimes, I managed seven or eight (nights when male friends would easily exceed ten), on what would have been an amazing night out.

These days, two is the max for easy, relaxed drinking.

While I may still love it, I find that I feel the effects of that third beer the following day; now, not in either my head or my stomach (not least, because these days, I hydrate punctiliously - by consuming a large glass of water per beer, or glass of wine), but just in a vague, general feeling of extraordinary tiredness the following day.
Agreed. But my younger self disagrees!
As does mine.
 
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