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You know people get so work up over IQ meaning something. It not that imporanted of a number. it useful for testing for some learning disablility ,one of which is dylixia. That one there are 2 test that can be used to related to IQ given some time appart (several month or so) and comparing the score. Only really works on young kids because what they look for is huge jump in IQ number (a number that really stays about the same though out life) my number jump from around 120 to over 140. Plus some other things that showed I had a type of dylixia mine effects my fine motor skills (handwriting) and writing in general as my spelling and grammer has shown I am clearly very weak in that area. Another random fact is people with dylixia normally have very high IQs.

That all be said chances are you friends IQ is near what yours is. Really if some one is out side of 15-20 points from your IQ you not going to be good friends with them. It because each of you thinks on very different levals. I find my close friends all have very high IQs and those are the people I get along with the best. Did I have any clue what there IQ was before hand no. Just we got along really well and became good friends. It was only after the close friendship form that I learned that there IQs where pretty high.

Problem is when one person has a very high or low IQ there just are few and few people who are around there lv so friendships are harder to make.

Just some random worthless infomation on IQ for you.
 
MENSA has provided millions of dollars for university scholarships and research money. Just because one has a high IQ does not mean they will be able to afford to go to school, while I know there are lots of scholarships out there sometimes they dont even look at your application if you are from the 'wrong' high school/part of town. MENSA only cares about the IQ and ability to succeed in school/research.
 
calculus said:
There are so many reasons that I love this post that I just cannot articulate them all.

Oh, you make me laugh out loud, and people are starting to look in my office to see whats up...

And as stated already, 12 does sound about right.:D
 
AhmedFaisal said:
As for your Ford and Chevy argument.....

I guess I hit a sensitive subject for you. :p Well, it's just an analogy, don't read too much into it - I am neither a Ford nor a Chevy owner. The point is that I don't see anyone who has a Chevy with a Calvin-peeing-on-the-Ford-logo decal suddenly warming up to Fords because a Chevy owner walked up to him with "concrete evidence" that Ford owners are "smart."
 
The Grood said:
I have an IQ of 156.

Normalizing with mean=100 and std. dev=10 means your IQ is 5.6 standard deviations above average. This is such a large deviation, that my TI-83 can't even integrate the normal function from 5.6 to +inf, nor can I find a table on the internet that lists standard deviations above 4. In short, by the definition of IQ, that score is totally bogus. This isn't your fault; it's the fault of the people who design tests like that. You'd think the people who make IQ tests would at least know how IQ scores are distributed. My feeling is most don't know and don't care...standardized testing is too lucrative to worry about common sense or common science.
 
T'was never my intention to extol the merits of an IQ test.

Sorry for any offence!!!! Obviously they are extremely contentious!

Just needed some way of demonstrating/explaining to a stubborn old man (70) why he's not always right, and I might be for a change...

Keep em coming! :)
 
Timepass said:
Another random fact is people with dylixia normally have very high IQs.
I've never seen anything that has shown that people with Dyslexia (or ADD/ADHD) tend to have higher IQ scores or are more intelligent as a subgroup of the general population. I have seen people try to make that generalization before, but beyond the comforting factor for those with Dyslexia/ADD/ADHD I haven't seen any real data to back it up.

Even worse, I've always found it odd to see people make the conclusion that having Dyslexia/ADD/ADHD proves that someone is intelligent. Having Dyslexia/ADD/ADHD shouldn't be used as a free pass and absolutely shouldn't be worn as a badge of honor.

Personally, I feel that if someone is really intelligent and has Dyslexia/ADD/ADHD then they should be able to make it appear as if they don't have it, rather than force everyone else to deal with it.
 
in internet tests i usually score between 155-165, but in the only "real" IQ test i ever took i scored 143, i believe.

IQ is a load of bunk anyway.
 
IQ? No sorry, the only correct absolute measure of intelligence is the GMAT score.

Did I mention that I have a killer GMAT score?

:D

By the way I've found that anyone can learn anything if they try hard enough. There are six year old kids that can name every President or dinosaur or the entire periodic table or whatever. So what's really the point of IQ? To say "I'm smart enough that I could learn this if I really wanted to"? Gee that's impressive... almost as impressive as getting off your ass and actually doing something smart. :)
 
RacerX said:
I've never seen anything that has shown that people with Dyslexia (or ADD/ADHD) tend to have higher IQ scores or are more intelligent as a subgroup of the general population. I have seen people try to make that generalization before, but beyond the comforting factor for those with Dyslexia/ADD/ADHD I haven't seen any real data to back it up.

Even worse, I've always found it odd to see people make the conclusion that having Dyslexia/ADD/ADHD proves that someone is intelligent. Having Dyslexia/ADD/ADHD shouldn't be used as a free pass and absolutely shouldn't be worn as a badge of honor.

Personally, I feel that if someone is really intelligent and has Dyslexia/ADD/ADHD then they should be able to make it appear as if they don't have it, rather than force everyone else to deal with it.

How many studies do you really see on Dyslexia. It was fairly new thing when I grade school (around 15-20 years ago). And they where just starting to really getting on the ball for treating it. 16 years ago the school I was going to happen to be on the the first school districts in the nation to really get on getting a good program for it up and running.

Also it fairly strongely believe several of our greating minds in history had Dyslexia. (Einstein being one of them. He had a lot of the sympotomes of it). Also it not always possible to keep the rest of the world from having to put up with it. Even though the integences leval is higher. And there are several different types and what skills it effects. Speech is effect by it. Back when it was discovered I had it they orginally believe I had a speech impediment and a speech disablility.

Quite a few of the effects of from Dyslexia can not behiden and cover up. My grammer and spelling skills are very very poor when I write. In my head and in speech they are gramaticly correct but bettween the head and hand some minor things get dropped (for me it quite off suffexis.) on a re read I dont see them because my brain adds them back in and corrects it. I cannt proof read some paper very well because I will miss the gramicial and spelling mistakes. Minus the grammer and spelling I can write A papers because the thought processes for writing in me is pretty strong. As for my handwriting... um yeah not really possible for me to make neater, I dont have the fine motor skills required for it.

The higher integences is an adavagage in helping me cop with it but not strong enough to cover it up. It is a learning disablitlity and a nasty one at that. People with it stuggle in learning. The ones with it we tend to memorize stuff really quickly and easily as way to adapt to dealing with it. Dont always learn it. Memorize it for test and stuff dump it on there and forget it, dont really know how to use it.

Yeah Dyslexia is protect under the American Disablitiy act and I know in school certain things are required to the students who have it most of which I have dont use. The only one I will go hard ball on is if the teacher does not allow me to use my computer in class to take notes or requires me to write a paper by hand. Most of the time teacher dont have a problem with it so I never bother to really get all the paper work for it to give to the teachers. Only thing I really been using it for now is at Texas tech having any disablility on file allows for first day registation for classes.

ADD/ADHD I dont know if it has any real effect on IQ. It just makes things a lot harder for me personly because I have ADD on top of Dyslexia.

But one can not always cover up Dyslexia and people have to deal with it. that like saying some one who legs are not working but they have good upper body strengh they should be able to just left them selves over things and up and down stairs. We shouldnt have to give them speical parking spots or ramps.

Also Dyslexia people can not be accurtlly tested for there IQ. It always going to be higher number than what the score reports. The weakness really show up in areas of the test. There are several differnt types as well and what it effects. Mine happens to effect my writing skills the heavies. Several of our greatest minds in history are beleive to be Dyslexia just base on where they had trouble in school and other things.

Also as I said before Dyslexia is a pretty fairly new disablitily so it still having a lot of reasearch done it. It all in how the brain works which is a new area of study but the brain of Dyslexia just work differently than normal people
 
Timepass said:
How many studies do you really see on Dyslexia. It was fairly new thing when I grade school (around 15-20 years ago). And they where just starting to really getting on the ball for treating it. 16 years ago the school I was going to happen to be on the the first school districts in the nation to really get on getting a good program for it up and running.
How about showing us one that says it was new 15-20 years ago. My father was diagnosed with Dyslexia back in the 1950s and it wasn't a new thing back then either.

Also it fairly strongely believe several of our greating minds in history had Dyslexia. (Einstein being one of them. He had a lot of the sympotomes of it).
Dyslexia existed during his lifetime, and I don't recall that he was ever diagnosed with it. There have been studies showing that he may have had a form of ADD, but not Dyslexia. But ADD/ADHD came long after his death.

My grammer and spelling skills are very very poor when I write. In my head and in speech they are gramaticly correct but bettween the head and hand some minor things get dropped (for me it quite off suffexis.) on a re read I dont see them because my brain adds them back in and corrects it. I cannt proof read some paper very well because I will miss the gramicial and spelling mistakes. Minus the grammer and spelling I can write A papers because the thought processes for writing in me is pretty strong. As for my handwriting... um yeah not really possible for me to make neater, I dont have the fine motor skills required for it.

The higher integences is an adavagage in helping me cop with it but not strong enough to cover it up. It is a learning disablitlity and a nasty one at that. People with it stuggle in learning. The ones with it we tend to memorize stuff really quickly and easily as way to adapt to dealing with it. Dont always learn it. Memorize it for test and stuff dump it on there and forget it, dont really know how to use it.
There are tools for dealing... specially when writing.

Spell checkers that check spelling as you type, text to speech that will read back what you've written for proof reading. In the end, there isn't much that can't be covered up with the right use of tools.

Granted, I use a Mac. Spell checking is in just about every app (including my browsers) as is text to speech.

Also as I said before Dyslexia is a pretty fairly new disablitily so it still having a lot of reasearch done it. It all in how the brain works which is a new area of study but the brain of Dyslexia just work differently than normal people
As pointed out earlier, Dyslexia is not new... but ADD/ADHD is. When I was in elementary school (in the 1970s) the whole category was called hyperactivity disorder (even for those who weren't actually hyperactive).


Note: For the sake of full disclosure, I have been diagnosed with both Dyslexia and ADD, and take medication for the ADD... so I have had more than 38 years of first hand (personal) experience with both of these disabilities. And I take great care to not inflict my short comings (as far as spelling and grammar) on the readers of my writing.
 
What have I started?

Love it... love the meandering nature of it all... interesting people... strange stories...

But what am I going to tell my Dad? :confused:
 
MongoTheGeek said:
High enough to know that its only a measure of how well you take an IQ test. :)
hah I love that this was the first response. :cool:

If your dad considers your choice of computer a measure of your intelligence, I would say he has a problem and he needs to get over it.
 
I took an online IQ test back in Grade 8 (like...the year 2000, maybe?), just out of curiosity and to see how I would do. I scored 170. That should be reason enough to call shenanigans on the whole deal. But then they tried to sell me my "complete intellectual evaluation" for the low-low cost of only $79.99. I don't know about official IQ tests, but the online ones are bullsh*t.

I personally think that intelligence tests of any kind are fundamentally flawed. People are intelligent in different ways, many of which cannot be measured on paper. You can try to objectively quantify anything, but that doesn't mean it's going to work.

As far as I'm concerned, intelligence tests are just another way for people to gain authority and control over others.

I do well in school, but I'm not naive enough to presume I have or had at any point an IQ anywhere near that.
 
5. But when the wind's out of the south-west and I can hear the TV over the road it goes up to 6.

Oooo..... fire is shiny.... and hot!!! Owowowowowww!!!! But it's so shiny... and SO HOT!! YOWCH!!! OK, that last time was a fluke let's see how we go now........ OWWWWWWW!!!!! Why is the fire trying to hurt me so much??

I'm going to punch it till it agrees to stop hurting me...

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IJ Reilly said:
Simple. Your shoelaces don't want to be tied, and they have an IQ of 180.
Excellent!!! I'm officially thicker than a piece of string. How cool is that? :)
 
49 replies is near enough to be statistically valid...

The Offical Average MR IQ is...

490 (Thanks mainly to Diatribe and his VERY impressive 1469.)

So thanks everyone.

Point proven I think!
 
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