What's your limit on piracy?

[Hellhammer]

but it does not mean one is more/less justifiable than the other.

I didn't say it is. I just don't get it why it is so damn hard for people to use the right term to describe it. No, it does not make it more justifiable if you use the word piracy instead of stealing. Another thing I don't get is that why some people always troll about going in store and stealing from there. If you go into a store and steal something, does that mean that you will go to a bank with AK-47 and rob the whole thing? Probably not.

 

[miamijim]

Ok so can i quote Star Trek,

Tea Earl Grey Hot.....

Who pays for the tea bag?

If replication can be done over and over again with no loss or degredation to the original, where is the theft?

If companies truly wanted to produce pirate free software they could, but it is human nature to find a way for free..... Water finds the easiest route and we are to a large extent water. Morals and ethics were just something created to asuage our own feelings of guilt, which if anything only come into play when lives are at stake.

 

[samiwas]

I chose 4.

I pretty much never pirate movies. We have always bought used DVDs so we're getting the same physical movie, but for 1/4 the price. I am in the process of ripping them all to a hard drive so I can take them with me when we travel, but I don't have any plans to sell the DVDs afterwards. I agree with many of the sentiments from earlier: the studios need to make it easier to buy what you want to buy, yet use it how you want to use it. Stop trying to create a separate sale for each and every use.

I pirate a lot of TV shows. I often don't get to see them live, and since I'm on the road often, I also can't watch them on my DVR. So it's either wait years for them to hopefully release a DVD, or just download it. I have no issues downloading TV shows, since it's just a different way to watch what I would not be paying any extra for to watch on the TV itself.

Music.... Most of the bands I listen to are trade-friendly, meaning they encourage recording and free trading of their live shows. They still sell albums and certain live shows, and I will buy those without question. I always pay for for-sale music from bands I listen to. I do pirate the odd track of something random, but never full albums.

Software. Half and half. For a long time, I pirated most of my software except for OSs. As I learned to use the software, and started to use it either much more in a hobby setting, or for work, I would buy it. I pirated my CAD program for years as I only did a few little projects with it. But once I realized I was making a good living off of it, I paid the $2300 for it and continue to pay for upgrades. Same goes for Filemaker and a few other titles. I did that with my 3D animation program as well, but have stopped upgrading because they changed the way they bundled it, and made it so I would have to pay 3 times as much to get the same features (and a lot more that I don't use). I still think Adobe software is ridiculously overpriced. It's obviously some of the best software, but $700 for Photoshop? Come on. I try to support shareware and small developers as much as I can.

 

[Lone Deranger]

If companies truly wanted to produce pirate free software they could...

So essentially what you're saying is that for all the concerted efforts at producing a hack proof system, all those efforts made by content creation companies and publishers world wide, for decades, were nothing but a half-hearted attempt? They tried, but not hard enough? Come now, that's crazy talk.

Even if you were correct, think of the consequences. It would probably cost stupendous amounts of money to develop, maintain, and provide support for. Where's that money going to come from? Probably from product price increases. Which will translate directly into a downturn in sales of course, (and ironically hackers/pirates trying all the harder to break the system) which means less income for the creator. Creating DRM schemes is already a financial burden and can be a downright nuisance to honest users.

The only true way to battling piracy (and many other problems of modern day society) is to educate people with a healthy sense of morality. But the audacity and shameless disregard for creators' livelihoods with which some individuals in this thread are justifying their behaviour gives me very little hope of that ever succeeding.

 

[iJohnHenry]

What's your limit on piracy?

I draw the line at Somalia.

Seriously, there is no "Never", so I voted 1.

If I can't afford it, or don't like the conditions attached, I don't buy.

 

[Dmac77]

People like you are the reason we have to deal with annoying DRM and security measures in all the software we buy.

I know I used to be a lot worse but as I got older I became more legal so to speak. Like I said my pirating now is mostly limited to things where I need a PDF editor with out all the advance stuff. If I could find a good basic one for like 10 bucks i would buy it in a heart beat.

No, people like you are the reason you have to deal with annoying DRM and security measures in all the software you buy. Like how I put that into perspective for you?

I don't deal with all the annoying DRM and annoying security in software, because I disable the DRM and security once and never deal with it again. If you would do what I do, you wouldn't have to deal with annoying DRM and security protocols in software that you deal with. Don't try to say it's my fault that you deal with DRM, it's your own fault.

-Don

 

[Rodimus Prime]

No, people like you are the reason you have to deal with annoying DRM and security measures in all the software you buy. Like how I put that into perspective for you?

I don't deal with all the annoying DRM and annoying security in software, because I disable the DRM and security once and never deal with it again. If you would do what I do, you wouldn't have to deal with annoying DRM and security protocols in software that you deal with. Don't try to say it's my fault that you deal with DRM, it's your own fault.

-Don

No it is your fault that that crap gets added in to protect the publishers and developers. Lets see I have to deal with it on the install and normally things like keys. After that generally all automatic and I never have to touch it again. But because some people are so cheap (aka you) and do pay for anything it has to get added in to make life more difficult. It is a result of people being cheap and so self centered that they refuse to pay for anything.
Like I said in another post I found proof in your own orginal post that the DRM and activation crap done in some software forces you to buy your windows OS and low and behold AV software. Safe to assume you pirate your OSX copies because of the complete lack of any security.

I also can see that someone name Dmac does not like being called out on the fact that he is a thief and being called what he truly is. I would recommend you grow up and pay for what you use.

 

[ucfgrad93]

my grandma always says "shove it where the sun doesn't shine."

-Don

Was this right after she said, "It is ok to steal the hard work of other people."?

 

[miamijim]

I admit i purchased all my OS, but my MS office for mac is pirated.

I purchased and ripped about 60 % of my music and dwnloaded the other 40 %. however i now have Spotify premium so stream all my music for 9.99 a month.

Movies i have hundreds of dvds and about 120 downloaded movies, if i really like it i will buy it on dvd for 6€ in the sale.

Now TV shows are my downfall.... I just have to keep up with new episodes from the states.... I would however pay 10€ a month the same as spotify to stream what i want at will.

 

[electronique]

Im a 78

 

[neko girl]

If you go into a store and steal something, does that mean that you will go to a bank with AK-47 and rob the whole thing? Probably not.

It is likely because of the danger involved, not because it is on some separate moral plane.

You don't really get any credit for being afraid of deterrence.

 

[notjustjay]

I am a 2 on this scale.

I develop software for a living and I put a lot of effort into doing it well. I know how much effort goes into this and I expect fair compensation from my employer. As such when I see an application that is well written and does what I want, I'm happy to reward the developer by paying for the software.

Have I downloaded pirated apps or cracks in the past? Sure. But today, everything on my computer is fully licensed.

Music: Sure, I've downloaded music. But I try to buy it whenever I can. Just yesterday I bought the soundtrack to The Social Network for $5. C'mon, I'm not going to go to the trouble of pirating an album to save $5 or $10.

Movies and TV shows: I buy them when I can, but I have been known to torrent shows that are not available to purchase on DVD/BR, or to "preview" a movie before I buy it. Generally speaking, if I liked it, I'll try to buy it. If it's not available to buy, but it's available on a torrent, well...

Also: if I legitimately own a movie on Blu-Ray or DVD, I don't have any particular moral qualms about also downloading an XViD torrent of the same movie for use in my home network. As far as I'm concerned I'm just downloading something I could just as easily have created myself.

 

[Hellhammer]

It is likely because of the danger involved, not because it is on some separate moral plane.

There is a lot bigger danger of getting caught when you steal from a store compared to torrenting as well. It was just an exaggerated example.

 

[MacNut]

There is a lot bigger danger of getting caught when you steal from a store compared to torrenting as well. It was just an exaggerated example.

Lets say you hack the iTunes store and steal $50 worth of music. What should the consequence be?

 

[Hellhammer]

Lets say you hack the iTunes store and steal $50 worth of music. What should the consequence be?

Why can't you provide any reasonable examples? Piracy is not hacking. Hacking alone will get you into trouble and Apple would probably sue you for every penny that you have ever made.

If we talk about piracy, then please don't mix it with other things like hacking and stealing when they are not the same. Piracy is piracy, nothing else.

 

[MacNut]

Why can't you provide any reasonable examples? Piracy is not hacking. Hacking alone will get you into trouble and Apple would probably sue you for every penny that you have ever made.

If we talk about piracy, then please don't mix it with other things like hacking and stealing when they are not the same. Piracy is piracy, nothing else.

Isn't hacking the iTunes store to steal music one in the same?

Cracking the DVD piracy codes are not stealing?

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Why can't you provide any reasonable examples? Piracy is not hacking. Hacking alone will get you into trouble and Apple would probably sue you for every penny that you have ever made.

If we talk about piracy, then please don't mix it with other things like hacking and stealing when they are not the same. Piracy is piracy, nothing else.

How is it any different besides the extra cracking crime. Apple lost nothing. You just made a copy of everything

 

[ZZANG]

If I own or owned it - I am not opposed to downloading something. I sold my entire Blu-Ray and DVD collection and have gone completely digital.

Games I don't pirate. If something is shown free and later I find a torrent for it - I'll get it if it's worthwhile.

Bottom line... If I have or had owned something and paid my dues and downloading the same material - I'm not opposed to it.


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[Hellhammer]

Isn't hacking the iTunes store to steal music one in the same?

Hacking alone is a crime, even if you didn't steal anything. You don't need to hack anything in order to click download on a torrent site.

How is it any different besides the extra cracking crime. Apple lost nothing. You just made a copy of everything

I didn't say it is any different besides the hacking crime.

 

[MacNut]

Hacking alone is a crime, even if you didn't steal anything. You don't need to hack anything in order to press download on a torrent site.

You said there is a difference from stealing from a record store vs a download. I gave you an example of stealing from an online record store.

 

[Hellhammer]

You said there is a difference from stealing from a record store vs a download. I gave you an example of stealing from an online record store.

And neither of your examples is the same as piracy.

 

[MacNut]

And neither of your examples is the same as piracy.

What do you consider piracy? I always thought it was ripping an illegal copy of something for free. If you steal from the iTunes store isn't that an illegal rip?

 

[iJohnHenry]

Lets say you hack the iTunes store and steal $50 worth of music. What should the consequence be?

$50, plus the cost of catching you, and successfully prosecuting you.

That's where it gets expensive.

Punitive damages are unnecessary IMO, once the word gets out of the penalty involved.

 

[Tomorrow]

$50, plus the cost of catching you, and successfully prosecuting you.

That's where it gets expensive.

Punitive damages are unnecessary IMO, once the word gets out of the penalty involved.

Yeah, I could never get the hang of a $150,000 penalty for illegally downloading/sharing a song that costs $1. People (lawmakers, in this case) fear what they don't understand.

 

[iJohnHenry]

Yeah, I could never get the hang of a $150,000 penalty for illegally downloading/sharing a song that costs $1. People (lawmakers, in this case) fear what they don't understand.

Crippling someone financially for life is just perverse.

Sure, they can declare personal bankruptcy (more ****ing lawyers), but it follows them their entire life.