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What's your theory as to why MacBooks now cost so much?
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Exactly, people are just forgetful and have selective memory. It's like they're not even realizing that the models this year have 256gb SSD's as the base storage which used to be a $200-$300 upgrade. Either that or their spoiled and simply complaining for the sake of complaining.
Lets look at the price of the 13-inch MacBook Pro back in 2012 with the 256gb SSD version shall we?
https://www.apple.com/pr/library/20...-13-inch-MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display.html
Not so expensive now eh?
***this post applies to people in the U.S.A. only as I'm not getting into the whole Brexit / VAT / exchange rate argument.
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There was an article on another Mac site that suggested computers in general were priced higher to offset lower volumes.
This because less and less people are buying desktops/computers but buying smart phones instead.
This because less and less people are buying desktops/computers but buying smart phones instead.
Which I think is just stupid logic. It's punishing those who are already looking for computers, and making those considering to purchase possibly not buy. It's a negative-feedback loop with horrific ramifications.
I used to hear people saying exactly what you're saying and dismiss them as just stupid disgruntled people that have a negative view of apple
...now I believe every word you said. This is pure profit. Nothing else. Not inflation. Not cost to accommodate new tech. Nope. Just "I want money. You're gonna pay it. I know it"
The question remains is how much visionary was Steve Jobs. A company is the sum of its parts. Most of the parts are still in tact.
Cool. How about next year Apple changes nothing then and then starts the price off as $1200 MORE than what it is right now because now a 2tb ssd is standard. Then you can come in and say "well last year it was a built to order option at the same price. So you see. They didn't increase the price at all really! Kinda"Exactly, people are just forgetful and have selective memory. It's like they're not even realizing that the models this year have 256gb SSD's as the base storage which used to be a $200-$300 upgrade. Either that or their spoiled and simply complaining for the sake of complaining.
Lets look at the price of the 13-inch MacBook Pro back in 2012 with the 256gb SSD version shall we?
https://www.apple.com/pr/library/20...-13-inch-MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display.html
Not so expensive now eh?
***this post applies to people in the U.S.A. only as I'm not getting into the whole Brexit / VAT / exchange rate argument.
These prices are really unprecedentedly high. I am curious to see how well they sell a quarter from now. I think apple may have priced them so high that consumers are simply not going to buy it. Apple has crossed a line this time. I don't think many people can simply afford these laptops. Looks like a Cartier ring. Many want, few can afford.
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I also fully agree. Apple needs better stock performance and a huge increase in selling price is going to help their stock. The pure profit they are making is an extra $200-500 on average per laptop. If they moved half to 1/3 of their usual volume they will still break even. I think they are counting on being able to sell 55% of their usual volume at these prices. I can't imagine these notebooks will sell in the volumes that apple is used to. Crazy high prices
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I also fully agree. Apple needs better stock performance and a huge increase in selling price is going to help their stock. The pure profit they are making is an extra $200-500 on average per laptop. If they moved half to 1/3 of their usual volume they will still break even. I think they are counting on being able to sell 55% of their usual volume at these prices. I can't imagine these notebooks will sell in the volumes that apple is used to. Crazy high prices
Yep... it's a perfect example of a free-market economy. They sell high quality, well designed products and charge a high price because there are plenty of people interested in paying it. High end Car companies, and watch makers, and clothing manufacturers, and dozens of other industries do the same... Would you really do differently if you ran a similar company? Their "greed" is no different than the "greed" of consumers who express indignation and demand the same product for a lesser price... we're not entitled to have these products, after all. They're not basic necessities like water and electricity. If you think a Bently is overpriced, just buy a Honda or a Chrysler instead...
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You mean that $3000 desktop filled with legacy tech that MSFT released isn't MSFT shipping junk? It was interesting to see MSFT releasing an all-in-one but Apple has had those specs in their all-in-one for a year already and for half the cost.
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Apple is going to drop the price in six months just like they did in 2012.
greed....and I guess...euhhhh greed. And what else? greed? yeah, I think greed
but you know, there's a Apple logo on the back, so its allowed, these prices.
but you know, there's a Apple logo on the back, so its allowed, these prices.
Good point as the new 13" MBP at $2k gets you 512GB of SSD storage. But 4 years later I would think/feel SSD prices would go down even further than just getting us double the storage (512 vs 256). After 4 years, 1TB feels more like it. Then again, the new MBP has Touch Bar, so I suppose the pricing of the new MBP isn't out of the ordinary for Apple.Exactly, people are just forgetful and have selective memory. It's like they're not even realizing that the models this year have 256gb SSD's as the base storage which used to be a $200-$300 upgrade. Either that or their spoiled and simply complaining for the sake of complaining.
Lets look at the price of the 13-inch MacBook Pro back in 2012 with the 256gb SSD version shall we?
https://www.apple.com/pr/library/20...-13-inch-MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display.html
Not so expensive now eh?
***this post applies to people in the U.S.A. only as I'm not getting into the whole Brexit / VAT / exchange rate argument.
But somehow this time it feels like Apple took an extra jump in price, even though your example shows it's more of the same. Maybe because the top of the line 15" is now $4,300 which is shocking to me. Are the specs of that top of the line 15" like a high end custom gaming laptop? Does it perform in the league of the entry level 2013 Mac Pro (black trash can)?
Put down the shill pill. No Apple desktop or laptop has a touchscreen, none of them use Nvidia chipsets, and the 980m crushes the 395m
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You can get 1tb sata ssds on sale for $130-$150. You are damn right prices have dropped. They always do, the difference is Apple raises their prices.
You have the touch bar and you have all of the apps that were updated to include the touch bar. Those app updates are being offered for free, but the money to develop those updates has to come from somewhere, so I'm guessing it's coming from the hardware costs.
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If they want to as a company they are free to keep increasing the storage, ram, etc and pricing people out. They made a calculation and if you don't like it feel free to vote with your wallet.
You could also use your argument above for any price increase and say something like "well 6 years ago we had 64gb SSDs and 2gb of RAM so I can't believe they made 128gb SSD and 4gb of RAM standard and increased the price $200 more! Those bastards!"
My point is that its not like they aren't including something substantial with the price increase (256gb SSD is a nice 'punishment'). You guys make it seem like Apple simply increased the price without offering anything in return
You people arguing that a touch bar is worth a $300-$500 price increase are hilarious considering I got a:
Alienware 13 r2
8gb ram (Now 16)
256gb pm951 pcie-ssd (Which tbh I changed to a Samsung 950 pro)
i5-6200u
960m
2560x1440 OLED touchscreen
For around $1200. That's right, an entire high res oled touchscreen.
Oh and this keyboard is bigger and far better then my old macbooks. I can actually type pretty fast on it.
Alienware 13 r2
8gb ram (Now 16)
256gb pm951 pcie-ssd (Which tbh I changed to a Samsung 950 pro)
i5-6200u
960m
2560x1440 OLED touchscreen
For around $1200. That's right, an entire high res oled touchscreen.
Oh and this keyboard is bigger and far better then my old macbooks. I can actually type pretty fast on it.
Obviously that magic touchbar requires 10x more R&D /sarcasm
Esp. when the 'R&D' basically means buying an Optimus Maximus and Razer laptops
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3136...-apples-touch-bar-before-apples-touch-bar.htm
lhttp://www.artlebedev.com/optimus/
Still that doesn't justify a cost of $3000 starting. Having a touch display and a better graphics chip doesn't justify the machine being double the price of a comparable iMac. Sorry, I burst your bubble and made so much sense that you had to start name calling. If I'm a shill I'm terrible at it because I've also criticized Apple in previous threads over the price of the new MacBook Pros and questioned various other decisions they've made previously.
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I hate big keyboards with way too much travel. I am a light touch person. I don't rest my wrists on the keyboard. I also don't appreciate the noise generated by keyboards with lots of travel. We had a guy at work you used them and everyone in the office was annoyed by his use of the high travel keyboard and would say so when he wasn't around.
Everyone who I know that owns a touch display laptop or desktop has admitted they simply don't use it that way. When I myself had a touchscreen HP desktop and a Surface I also never used the touch display. I'm trying to do work with my laptop not play games in my moms basement. I don't need features tacked on just to check off a box on a spec sheet that I'm never going to use.
We are in agreement that the price is steep for the new MacBook Pros though. However, I suspect that once the R&D is recouped the price on them will go down on MacBook Pros. I say 6 months from now the current MacBooks will drop in price by $200 bucks.
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You are either shilling or being obtuse. This isn't a typical desktop, it's also a touchscreen workstation. A 27" Wacom pen and touch device is $2,800:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1113580-REG/wacom_dth_2700_cintiq_27qhd_27_creative.html
Perhaps they should come up with a non touch screen version, but the imac is not comparable in it's current form.
Any expensive computer can eventually pay for itself thanks to the miracle of free entertainment from the Internet. Even if you don't want to pirate copyrighted content, you can still be entertained for hours with YouTube, Pandora, or any legal or mature sites out there.
We get HALF A DECADE or more usage with MacBooks. That's cool. With smartphone, we get more attached but by saying we love it but we also can grow tired of it very quickly and start hating it since we look at it and abuse it all the time. That's also another reason for the shorter life cycles.
$1500 for a MBP 13 is not a bad deal when you consider the contracts we are put in with carriers and cable/satellite provider contracts that matches that cost within a year and nobody is even watching most of the stuff on TV since everyone is too busy being online on their phone, tablet, or computer.
We get HALF A DECADE or more usage with MacBooks. That's cool. With smartphone, we get more attached but by saying we love it but we also can grow tired of it very quickly and start hating it since we look at it and abuse it all the time. That's also another reason for the shorter life cycles.
$1500 for a MBP 13 is not a bad deal when you consider the contracts we are put in with carriers and cable/satellite provider contracts that matches that cost within a year and nobody is even watching most of the stuff on TV since everyone is too busy being online on their phone, tablet, or computer.