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If she would have send you the. photo tomorrow and not today they would appear with this date. They always get the date and time of when the y were send. And this is a problem.
I realize that. It depends what you are going to do with the photos. If the date and time is mission critical then WhatsApp is not the tool for you. But for millions of people, the lack of date and time is not a show stopper.
 
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Out of curiosity, what’s your idea of a decent resolution in 2023, given proper compression? Honest curiosity
Unrestricted or something like 64MP.

Why?

Because the images are being sent p2p. They're not permanently stored on Whatsapp servers.

You can verify this by deleting some old image in the conversation on your local device and on the source device and trying to re-download that image. It tries to refetch that image from the source device and fails if - for some reason - is not able to do that (be it missing internet connection on the source device or missing entire source file on the sending device).

Anyway, 12MP is in fact enough for most cases. I just hope the compression would not mess-up the images. Because it's not all about resolution. You can have high resolution image with very poor JPEG compression value.
 
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I wonder if there are others like me who have a weird, stubborn dislike for "WhatsApp" because of the stupid pun in its name. 😅

I'm dying for WhatsApp to merge with Meta Messenger which has already merged systems between Facebook and Instagram. It's been 5 years since they announced it. Every time I see WhatsApp in the news, I run to see if this is finally it and I can delete the app and never have to look at it again.
 
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Unrestricted or something like 64MP.

Why?

Because the images are being sent p2p. They're not permanently stored on Whatsapp servers.

You can verify this by deleting some old image in the conversation on your local device and on the source device and trying to re-download that image. It tries to refetch that image from the source device and fails if - for some reason - is not able to do that (be it missing internet connection on the source device or missing entire source file on the sending device).

Anyway, 12MP is in fact enough for most cases. I just hope the compression would not mess-up the images. Because it's not all about resolution. You can have high resolution image with very poor JPEG compression value.
I guess it makes sense to have a 64MP image being viewed on a 5 inch phone.

You know, 110 film made for great 4x6 images, thats bigger than most phone screens. 110 film's digital counterpart would be what, 4 Megapixels?
 
I would prefer not to use any Meta software if possible. But I do use WhatsApp because of friends who use Android and or live in a country where it’s used exclusively.
 
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I guess it makes sense to have a 64MP image being viewed on a 5 inch phone.

You know, 110 film made for great 4x6 images, thats bigger than most phone screens. 110 film's digital counterpart would be what, 4 Megapixels?
It's not about viewing it on the phone. It's about preserving the original quality when someone sends you some photos.

I.e. You want some photos from your friend with Android and it's better to have it as original as possible rather than messed-up with Whatsapp postprocessing and compression.

But as already stated - 12MP is fine for most situations. It's the actual compression which matters the most now.
If 12MP photos are passed through as originals, it's great! If they're messed-up to 50% of it's original size... Well, then I would expect anything but quality.
 
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I wonder if there are others like me who have a weird, stubborn dislike for "WhatsApp" because of the stupid pun in its name. 😅

I'm dying for WhatsApp to merge with Meta Messenger which has already merged systems between Facebook and Instagram. It's been 5 years since they announced it. Every time I see WhatsApp in the news, I run to see if this is finally it and I can delete the app and never have to look at it again.
Not so much the name, as the vomit green icon. Way too close to the phone/messages icons.
 
I totally don't think that.

But I still trust iMessage's end-to-end encryption a little bit more, than Whatapp's one - where original dev left the Whatsapp after it got bought by Zuckerberg and where this dev (founder actually I believe) raised concerns specifically about the privacy and the encryption.

Anyway if I should choose which app I trust the most from this point of view - it's definitely Signal.
iMessage encryption is proprietary and not E2EE with most iCloud setups, WhatsApp‘s is literally the defacto industry standard (Whisper / Signal Protocol) without Meta holding your keys for you.

WhatsApp was already owned by Facebook when they started working on E2EE with the Signal Organization (literally the Signal devs who worked on WhatsApp‘s E2EE). There have also been independent audits that verify the claims.

But then again, it‘s more fun to spread FUD and rock the „but metadata isn‘t“ yadda yadda train I guess.
 
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iMessage encryption is proprietary and not E2EE with most iCloud setups,
Thank you for clarification of the iMessage encryption system.

WhatsApp‘s is literally the defacto industry standard (Whisper / Signal Protocol) without Meta holding your keys for you.
Well that's something what you can believe to. Unfortunately there's no way to actually check this (on Whatsapp) due to closed nature of their system. Do you really believe in something which original co-founder does not believe to? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/30/jan-koum-whatsapp-co-founder-quits-facebook
I don't.

Not talking about Signal which got audits and is open source.

WhatsApp was already owned by Facebook when they started working on E2EE with the Signal Organization (literally the Signal devs who worked on WhatsApp‘s E2EE). There have also been independent audits that verify the claims.
No, there's no real independent audits on Whatsapp. On the contrary, there's been some real issues in the past https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reception_and_criticism_of_WhatsApp_security_and_privacy_features

But then again, it‘s more fun to spread FUD and rock the „but metadata isn‘t“ yadda yadda train I guess.
Well, as you can see I respond with facts and sources. So I'm not sure what FUD are you talking about.
 
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Still client based and not cloud based, so this choice will just help even more to destroy user's smartphone because WhatsApp is so damn crap and stores everything in the phone.
 
I know this would never happen, and I'm not sure if I would want it to, but if Apple made iMessages available on Android for <$10.00 a month, it better than all the alternatives out there. High res images, end to end encryption, no alternatives to collecting data, and...Blue bubbles for everyone. It would be like a "Glass of ice water in hell"
 
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Just look at the Data Linked To You section compared to Signal.
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Yep. I think no more needs to be said there...
 
I do not need to know if the photos were taken at 10AM or 11AM.

For most cases I also don't care about the time, say a party or a family dinner. BUT there are times where it comes very handy. Say a family trip where you visit several places and everybody takes pictures so everybody shares them in the same group. It's a lot more convenient to download the photos and have them ordered chronologically instead of having them all mixed up over several days.
 
Also who actually believes the WhatsApp's end-to-end encryption nowadays?

Meta = WhatsApp = Facebook = Zuckerberg.

It's hard to imagine "privacy" in this equation.
I believe they are telling the truth in a technically correct but insincere way:

they don't read your chats, but they analyse the metadata and use those to profile you...
 
iMessage encryption is proprietary and not E2EE with most iCloud setups, WhatsApp‘s is literally the defacto industry standard (Whisper / Signal Protocol) without Meta holding your keys for you.

WhatsApp was already owned by Facebook when they started working on E2EE with the Signal Organization (literally the Signal devs who worked on WhatsApp‘s E2EE). There have also been independent audits that verify the claims.

But then again, it‘s more fun to spread FUD and rock the „but metadata isn‘t“ yadda yadda train I guess.
Except.. it is encrypted in iCloud. In all setups.


And yes… metadata alone can reconstruct exactly what the message contained. Through metadata, we know Jill messages Jack a whole lot, thru GPS metadata that’s collected they see they meet up and Jill stays at Jack’s house overnight. Jill messages Jack a week later several times, and also messages a number associated to an abortion clinic and then through GPS metadata, visits there the next day.

What was in those messages? The world may never know…
 
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I totally don't think that.

But I still trust iMessage's end-to-end encryption a little bit more, than Whatapp's one - where original dev left the Whatsapp after it got bought by Zuckerberg and where this dev (founder actually I believe) raised concerns specifically about the privacy and the encryption.

Anyway if I should choose which app I trust the most from this point of view - it's definitely Signal.
WhatsApps's E2E-Encryption is based on Signal as far as I know. As long You don't assume serious foul-play, it should be superior to the one of iMessage.
 
For most cases I also don't care about the time, say a party or a family dinner. BUT there are times where it comes very handy. Say a family trip where you visit several places and everybody takes pictures so everybody shares them in the same group. It's a lot more convenient to download the photos and have them ordered chronologically instead of having them all mixed up over several days.
I agree. Perhaps in those cases Google Photos share or something similar can provide a better solution than WhatsApp.
 
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