WhatsApp Messenger Implements Full End-to-End Encryption

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    WhatsApp has enabled full end-to-end encryption for all users of the mobile instant messenger app.

    The Facebook-owned service started implementing end-to-end encryption to standard chat messages in 2014, but has now completed rollout to all forms of communication within the app, such as photos, videos and calls.

    WhatsApp co-founders Jan Koum and Brian Acton officially announced the rollout on the company's blog:
    Encryption has become a hot topic in recent weeks following Apple's high-profile dispute with the FBI, which attempted to compel the company to unlock San Bernardino shooter Farook Syed's iPhone. On March 28 the Justice Department announced it had found an alternate method to gain access to the iPhone in question and dropped the lawsuit.

    While the FBI has not shared how it was able to unlock the iPhone, nor shared details on what was found, it is believed Israeli mobile software developer Cellebrite, a company that offers "mobile forensic solutions," was enlisted to break into the device. The FBI is still working on analyzing the information found on the iPhone but says it's too early to tell if the data on the device is useful.

    Last month, Swiss software developer and civil liberties outfit Proton Technologies released its end-to-end encrypted email app ProtonMail for iOS. Meanwhile, Apple is working to further harden iCloud security so that even it won't be able to access user information stored on its data servers.

    WhatsApp Messenger is a free download for iPhone on the App Store. [Direct Link]

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  2. Dadioh macrumors 65816


    Feb 3, 2010
    Canada Eh?
    Great to hear. Lets hope many more companies see privacy as their priority
  3. bushido Suspended


    Mar 26, 2008
    good to hear

    looks like many people i know are running the latest cuz i am already getting the message on their conversation. of course none of my family members who r always bitching about lack of privacy on anything havent lol
  4. vmachiel macrumors 68000

    Feb 15, 2011
    The more channels are encrypted, the harder it is for law enforcement to trample all over our rights. This is good thing.
  5. Mr Fusion macrumors 6502a

    Mr Fusion

    May 7, 2007
    Threw away WhatsApp as soon as Facebook bought them, as I didn't care for my messages filtering through FB's ad revenue machine and NSA servers. Took a while to get my friends on board with Telegram but it was worth it. For me this is too little, too late.
  6. stringent macrumors 6502


    Jan 27, 2011
    I also ditched WhatsApp due to it being bought by FB as I do not trust them with an ounce of information. iMessage is fine for me, and for my Android friends I use Hangouts. I trust Google a bit more than Facebook. Which doesn't take much!

    The end to end encryption is a start and a good thing though.
  7. vjl323 macrumors regular

    Sep 7, 2005
    Western North Carolina
    Telegram is a 100% better solution - totally agree! The philosophy behind the company is quite sound, and when the devs spent just one week in the US for a convention, they were approached by FBI asking them to create a backdoor. They publicly refused, but there's no doubt in my mind that since FB owns WhatsApp, there's already a backdoor in place, despite the encryption.

    The feature set and security of Telegram is amazing. And the company has no problem explaining why they make this app free. I trust Telegram a *lot*.
  8. Oblivious.Robot macrumors 6502a


    Sep 15, 2014
    It's kind of ironic though, as the primary goal of Facebook which owns Whatsapp is to gather data but is willingly encrypting every device on their own service. Call me a cynic, but I don't trust them one bit.

    Also, Telegram is miles better at end to end device encryption.
    At least I trust them more, but on the other hand almost none of my friends seem to switch to it. :mad:
  9. MH01 Suspended


    Feb 11, 2008
    It's a bit sad these tech news stories fall under politics , religion and social issues. It's like encryption has suddenly become a sensitive topic cause Apple pretended to care so much and FBI got what they wanted anyway but pretended they needed apples help.
  10. FieldingMellish Suspended

    Jun 20, 2010

    Perhaps polarizing discussions can take on a raucous nature and the mods in PRSI are attuned to keeping it civil.
  11. keysofanxiety macrumors G3


    Nov 23, 2011
    I think that's quite cynical.

    Regardless of how Apple's stance gave them positive publicity, I genuinely believe they take privacy and security extremely seriously. Just because the consequence of their stance on encryption was favourable, does not mean that's why they took the stance in the first place. It means it was the right thing to do.
  12. bushido Suspended


    Mar 26, 2008
    it is russian tho
  13. Keane16 macrumors 6502a


    Dec 8, 2007
    I use both. Whatsapp for years. And more recently Telegram too. Most of my contacts are in Whatsapp. But my most contacted few are now in Telegram thanks to me persuading them. When reading up about Telegram last year one of the selling points was better security. But I saw some interesting comment threads on Reddit recently:



    I have no deep knowledge about security and encryption. So I have no idea who is correct in those discussions. But it's interesting to read about Telegram, rolling their own security etc.

    I agree thought the feature set of Telegram is great from Gifs to Polls it's really handy. The native client apps are also really nice. I won't be ditching it any time soon, but if anyone has any good information on their security (or lack of it) I would be interested to hear.
  14. dannys1 macrumors 68020


    Sep 19, 2007
    Yeah and PGP keys are even more secure, but you expect to get the girls on Tinder to use PGP to chat?

    Whatsapp is fine, the government really isn't interested in my day to day conversations with friends or Tinder matches, for everything else there are much better measures.
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    star-affinity macrumors 6502a


    Nov 14, 2007
    Agreed. One more plus for Telegram is that they have well working apps also for OS X, Windows and Linux (not just mobile OS:es).
  16. RightMACatU macrumors 65816


    Jul 12, 2012
    That's exactly the big boys' strategy. They bet on the fact that one dissident rarely succeeds in having all of him/her friends to move away from an app.
    --- Post Merged, Apr 6, 2016 ---
    Side question on ProtonMail... Are attachments now encrypted???
  17. 69Mustang macrumors 604


    Jan 7, 2014
    In between a rock and a hard place
    It's not really ironic at all. It's smart. This gives FB the appearance of privacy protection while their main source of ad revenue and data mining still hums along perfectly fine. The amount of potential ad serving data in messaging is miniscule compared to their main revenue generator.

    Generally speaking, most people either don't care about encryption, don't know about it's importance, or think "I'm not doing anything so..." Besides, a large percentage of people freely share every detail of their lives online. :oops: To them, the concepts of privacy and encryption are about as relevant as a 3rd superfluous nipple.
  18. Porco macrumors 68030


    Mar 28, 2005
    I'm not a WhatsApp user, but this is defintely &:/di'„2suE8nN4.}u.
  19. doelcm82 macrumors 68040


    Feb 11, 2012
    Florida, USA
    The strategy works with me. I'm on Facebook, but not Twitter or WhatsApp or SnapChat or Instagram or Vine. I don't have Facebook messenger on my devices.

    I'm probably missing out, but there's more on Facebook than I have time for as it stands.

    Someone left me a message using Facebook messenger the other day. I didn't read it until late at night when I checked Facebook on my computer. It was my former stepmother asking me to call her when I had a chance. I called the following night. A friend of mine had passed away. Sad news, though I hadn't seen the friend since 1984.
  20. KALLT macrumors 601

    Sep 23, 2008
    It is controlled by several Russians, but it seems that the web of mailbox companies that Telegram has spun to hide its identity leads ultimately back to the US. What is more concerning is that Telegram is made by Zuckerberg’s former rival Durov, who was in charge of the Russian ‘Facebook’ until he was ousted by Russian authorities. He was as much in the business of big data as Facebook is. Telegram is at least as dubious as WhatsApp.
  21. gotluck macrumors 603


    Dec 8, 2011
    East Central Florida
    I've never met anyone in real life that uses telegram
  22. RightMACatU macrumors 65816


    Jul 12, 2012
    Telegram's ownership looks, smells, and walks bad... must be legit ;)
  23. MacBH928 macrumors 68040


    May 17, 2008
    How does Whatsapp makes money? it was bought for $18B or so, it encrypts the messages, it benefits 0 out of users?
    Does not make sense. Facebook is a data gathering company.

    I wish people would switch over to Telegram, but with this PR move, everyone will think they are safe on Whatsapp and there is no need to make the switch.
  24. MH01 Suspended


    Feb 11, 2008
    It was the right think to do. Though the current silence while FBI unlocks iPhone is disappointing
  25. John.B macrumors 601


    Jan 15, 2008
    Holocene Epoch

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