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On a $3000 laptop, you would expect the best quality components and not crappy keyboards. What are they doing with the $3000+ you spend on a Macbook Pro? It’s obviously not going to the best components you can find on the market.

If the 2018 Macbook Pro still has these crap keyboards on their $3000+ laptops, I’m not buying it.
 
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I’m rocking a 2015 13”. When it comes time to replace it I am getting a dell or something and running Linux.
 
My 2014.5 Macbook pro Geekbenches the same or higher than the current fastest fastest MBP. If the next model does not have 32gb option, i'm going with dell. Most likely dell will have the new 8th gen i7 with Vega GL graphics.
 
On a $3000 laptop, you would expect the best quality components and not crappy keyboards. What are they doing with the $3000+ you spend on a Macbook Pro? It’s obviously not going to the best components you can find on the market.

If the 2018 Macbook Pro still has these crap keyboards on their $3000+ laptops, I’m not buying it.

Actually apple spent a huge amount of money designing and implementing the butterfly keyboard for the MacBook in 2015, these seemed to have very few issues but weren't well received as a keyboard to type on. Taking this feedback apple tweaked it to make it a far better keyboard to type on and indeed that is the general consensus however, as with all these things, that tweaking has seemingly come with an unforeseen issue with keyboard reliability. Its not great, but they are still using the best components for their laptops and they certainly put more time money and effort into their designs and attention to detail than anyone else in the market, it doesn't mean they always get it right but they certainly always use the best.
 
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I’m rocking a 2015 13”. When it comes time to replace it I am getting a dell or something and running Linux.
Good luck with that.
Had always been a dell fan.
Bought a 2014 MBP then went back to a dell XPS late 2015. The dell was roughly $950 cheaper than a newer Mac.
Very happy I had the on site warranty with the dell.
Loving my 2017 15” mbp.
Apple has outstanding phone support, Today at Apple Is not only informative but a great networking event.
Good luck with the Dell.
 
What are they doing with the $3000+
you can always check out Apple's quarterly or annual financial statements to see how they use their money.

I’m not buying it.
Well, that's your right, if you feel the keyboard is not up to par (and yes I agree with you), then certainly don't spend the money on a Mac. Find another product that fits your needs. That's the great joy about a free market, don't like one product, buy another. Why get upset over it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I will say that Apple does use the best components overall. Look at the CPU selection they use, the SSD is the fastest on the market by what seems to be by a large factor. The display is one of the best, the enclosure if probably one of the best designed. So yes, while I agree that the price is somewhat steep, and I've complained about it before, you cannot say they don't use the best components. The keyboard is a problem of their own making in that they wanted a thinner laptop, and so they developed a new keyboard technology. It seems that's not working to the degree that they (and others) hoped for.
 
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When people stop buying overpriced stuff to check their emails, then they might stop referring to them as overpriced crap. It's really hard to justify the power of a MBP for the light tasks many users do, which results in an odd interpretation of the value.
 
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When people stop buying overpriced stuff to check their emails, then they might stop referring to them as overpriced crap. It's really hard to justify the power of a MBP for the light tasks many users do, which results in an odd interpretation of the value.

I just don't think apples offerings are overpriced, Sufacebooks and the surface pro tablets are just as expensive if not more so and if you spec everything out the same then premium laptops from any manufacturer are within a couple of hundred dollars of each other. Apple are the only ones to offer 4 thunderbolt 3 ports and the fastest PCIe ssd's by default, they always use the best silicon in their class and they had a year with the brightest and best calibrated screens before others started to catch up and very few manufacturers offer P3 colour gamut.

So only overpriced if all premium laptops are overpriced and you could certainly make a case for that.
 
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The best way to win with Apple is to wait it out. At the same time, MacBook Pro's offer a sturdy long lasting design. My Early 2015 13 inch MBP looks as new as the day I bought it. With exception of the display lamination peeling (which I plan to get replaced soon), its an impressive notebook.

I think part of the reasoning for the cost is the R&D that does into developing it. Apple possibly started development around 2014 and the final product came to market in 2016. So, a lot of work went into its development and the company wants to recoup some of that before they introduce a price drop. I suspect by 2019 (next year), we will see a price drop. This is going to be year before the next major redesign expected in 2020.

So, waiting it out might be to your advantage.

For me, I want to see better keyboard travel before a consider another upgrade to a Mac. In the mean time, I might tide things over with an iPad Pro and or Mac Pro or iMac Pro.
 
When people stop buying overpriced stuff to check their emails, then they might stop referring to them as overpriced crap. It's really hard to justify the power of a MBP for the light tasks many users do, which results in an odd interpretation of the value.


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I just don't think apples offerings are overpriced, Sufacebooks and the surface pro tablets are just as expensive if not more so and if you spec everything out the same then premium laptops from any manufacturer are within a couple of hundred dollars of each other. Apple are the only ones to offer 4 thunderbolt 3 ports and the fastest PCIe ssd's by default, they always use the best silicon in their class and they had a year with the brightest and best calibrated screens before others started to catch up and very few manufacturers offer P3 colour gamut.

So only overpriced if all premium laptops are overpriced and you could certainly make a case for that.

Nah of course they're pretty reasonable value, of course they are adding a profit margin on top which is fine in a very proud capitalist country where they're headquartered. Just meant if you're buying a 15" i7 laptop to "Have several tabs open in Safari, check email, watch Netflix, and occasional MS Office use", then you're very likely to think they're overpriced as these tasks can be performed on a $300 Chromebook. Meanwhile, if you need a high powered laptop with fast I/O, and would still like it to be portable, then they're pretty reasonably priced.

People don't value R&D or logistics chains, and so they look at these things part for part. Truth is they make expensive computers, as that's the market they target. They could make them cheaper, but they wouldn't be the same spec. Problem is they also invest in the aesthetic design, which makes them appeal to people as a 'brand' rather than a computer.

These people are quite easy to spot, look at the sigs, demanding stuff that they didn't know existed until Apple release another product with it, demanding the world for half the price yet still demanding 100% reliability, free repairs, and instant walk in/out services. Apple are kind of their own worst enemy with customer expectations.
 
Oh dear. This is going to get ugly...

I do love these threads, and there are many valid replies here.

For me they are not overpriced at all as one 3 day job will pay it off in full. If you are not using it like this then as others have said it maybe the wrong computer for you and you have over specified on your requirements.
In my use they are actually underspecified, but would expect to pay more for higher specifications not the same for more. Refer to the Surfacebook 2 15" for a reasonable comparison to the MBP, in terms of quality etc.

As much as I have tried there are no other computers that meet my needs as well as a MBP. So all the complaints on the keyboard [which may be valid] are minor. I actually like the keyboards.

My only complaint on the MBP is it needs a more powerful GPU, which suits my usage, so is a selfish request.

If the OP would like to show us the computers that relate directly to the MBP in terms of design / quality and specifications that are so much cheaper, I would love to see them as I will consider them for my next purchase. I have been unable to find them........... except for the Surface Book 2.
 
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